PPP's Top 25 Under 25 - #1 Phil Kessel
The first instalment of the PPP Top 25 Under 25 series was one that was inevitably going to be a bit of a letdown for a conclusion. Phil Kessel was always going to be #1; it wasn't even a question, and his unanimous selection as #1 was pretty much a foregone conclusion when we started. In fact, if somebody didn't vote Kessel #1, then we'd have something to talk about.
But Kessel's play this season has simply removed all doubt. He's already scored 31 goals this season, his 4th season scoring more than 30 goals in the NHL. I was curious where that placed him among the top snipers in the league. Since the lockout, Kessel's 4 season with 30 or more goals puts him in a tie for 9th, with Gaborik, Malkin, Parise, St. Louis, Vanek and Zetterberg. He's behind Iginla, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin (all with 6), and Crosby, Heatley, Marleau, Nash and Eric Staal (5). If you add the restriction of players who accomplished it under the age of 25, he's tied for 3rd. Only Ovechkin (6) and Crosby (5) had more 30-goal seasons under the age of 25.
Kessel's 158 goals are good for 39th in the league since the lockout, on a Goals Per Game basis, he's 31st. Dropping the restriction to players under the age of 25, he has scored the 9th. most goals in the league (since the lockout) before his 25th birthday.
The next time someone brings up the extravagant price the Leafs paid for Kessel, ask them what they would have ponied up for a 22 year old Rick Nash. Their stats to that point (and age 25) are pretty comparable.
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There isn't a whole lot more to say about the rankings; Kessel was rightfully the unanimous choice as #1 on our list. So let's talk about something else.
If like me you listen to the Marek vs. Wyshynski Podcast, you'll know that recently they've been discussing the great trades in NHL history that weren't made. And knowing that I'd be writing about Phil Kessel, that got me thinking...
What if the Bruins and the Leafs had completed the Kessel for Kaberle trade?
In case you don't recall, the Leafs and Bruins agreed in principle to a trade on the floor at the 2009 NHL Entry Draft, to swap Tomas Kaberle for Phil Kessel. The deal fell apart due to a game broken telephone where both Brian Burke and Peter Chiarelli thought the other was included their first round pick in that draft in the deal.
Both teams pulled out of the trade, which led to two classic Burke moments; his phenomenal slow burn while the LA Kings drafted Brayden Schenn, and the iconic "Is that the kid you want?" conversation with Senators GM Bryan Murray. The Leafs, of course would take the kid they wanted in Nazem Kadri, and consummate their trade for Phil Kessel three months later. A year and half later Boston would finally get their man Kaberle in a deadline trade with the Leafs.
First things first, without Kaberle the Leafs and Bruins obviously never get together on a trade for Kaberle at the 2011 Deadline, meaning Joe Colborne and a pair of 2011 draft picks stay with the Bruins. The Leafs used one of those picks to move up and grab Tyler Biggs this summer; the other went to Colorado in exchange for John-Michael Liles, the guy the Leafs acquired to replace Kaberle.
Kadri also never gets drafted 7th by the Leafs. Maybe the Senators are able to convince the Bruins to swap the pick and move up and take him. Maybe Boston keeps the pick and takes Kadri, or maybe they take someone else in that spot. If the Bruins take Kadri, coming off his dynamite 2009-10 season with the London Knights, maybe he's the one who gets brought along slowly as a depth player for the Bruins, instead of the man the Bruins would select with the Leafs 2010 1st rounder, Tyler Seguin. They also don't draft Kadri's London teammate Jared Knight with the Leafs 2010 2nd rounder. Dougie Hamilton also ends up elsewhere, but it's impossible to say whether the Leafs would have been picking 9th in 2011.
Speaking of Seguin. I feel pretty confident he ends up a Leaf. The Leafs acquired Kessel prior to the start of the 2009-10 season and he missed the first month recovering from a shoulder injury. The Leafs were sunk by beer league goaltending which probably isn't changing. The Leafs were a disaster that season until they gained a bit of traction at the end of January, when the Dion Phaneuf and JS Giguere trades happened.
And then there's Phaneuf. With Kaberle gone, there's a definite need for a top 4 defenceman on the Leafs to start the season. We know that Burke and then Flames GM Daryl Sutter were working on the Phaneuf deal for months before it finally came together. The immediate need for a big-minute defenceman might force Burke to make that deal for Phaneuf sooner; that probably significantly alters the framework of that deal.
We haven't even mentioned many of the other moving pieces (does the Toskala-Giguere deal still happen? Does Boston still acquire Dennis Seidenberg with Kaberle in the fold in 2010? Do they have cap room to bring in Nathan Horton? What happens if Seguin lands in Toronto? Does Boston win the 2011 Cup?) that would have shaped the fates of these two franchises. I almost wish it were possible to watch the past three years unfold simultaneously just to see the divergent paths they took.
In the meantime, Phil Kessel is just entering his likely peak as a scorer, just as the Leafs as a team have progressed from lottery fodder to a team on the verge of the playoffs. As usual, Chemmy gets the last word
Fourth in points and third in goals skating with a salary dump throw in and an undrafted kid. Enough said.
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SURPRISE!!!
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why would you compare Kessel’s numbers to other players’ since the lockout? Kessel didn’t play in two of those seasons? That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Over the last 5 seasons (this one included), Kessel is 14th in total goals; 45th in pts.
Over the last 4 seasons, that bumps up to 7th in goals; 30th in pts.
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Since Kessel joined the Leafs
He is 8th in goals and 27th in points. That is top level production, particularly considering his linemates through most of that time.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Not last in any way. Except you posted him last :(
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I love that picture
Phaneuf looks so caveman and Kessel so happy.
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
Only Ovechkin (6) and Crosby (5) had more 30-goal seasons under the age of 25.
That’s all I need.
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by The Bag on Feb 16, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Whoa! This is totally out of left field. I thought it would be Jiri Tlusty!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Also, I really have a hard time believing he’s 6 feet tall.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Joke would have worked better if you used someone within the organization like Jerry D’Amigo
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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This is the direction I was kind of going in.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 16, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Since the mid 90s lockout
Kessel is 10th in goals scored by the age of 24 and 30th in GPG..
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Please ignore the Palffy typo.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
WE WILL IGNORE NOTHING
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by leafer1984 on Feb 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I there going to be a complete list of all these guys somewhere in the same place?
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It’s on the front page on the left hand side.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Am very disappointed...
…no discussion of his inability to crosscheck, which is legal.
(j/k Great write-up, should be filed under the “things that make you go hmmm” category. Especially liked the bit about an earlier Kabby trade likely changing the structure of the Phaneuf deal. IIRC, Ian White was still a joke with skates at about the time that season started, or not very far removed from that status. It’s legitimate to wonder what other assets might have been required to get the deal done.)
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I love Phil Kessel, the trade that got him here, and his delightful $5.4M cap hit. Fuck the haters.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
A lot of people forget how cheap we have him for. 5.4 million? Holy mother of god….
by Goosemonster on Feb 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I love that the world of sports has conditioned us to think that paying someone $5.4million a yr to play a game is cheap.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 16, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
oh hey it’s that line. yay.
Dammit Gomez.
by elseldo on Feb 16, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love that the world of finance has conditioned us to think that paying someone $5.4million a year to sit in a leather chair and delegate is cheap
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 16, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
So in other words...
2 firsts and a second for Nash?
by jd90 on Feb 16, 2012 6:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if he was 21 like Kessel was It’s a no brainer.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 16, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
also an RFA
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 16, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
it seemed like a very high price at the time...
but watching Kessel blossom this year has been great to see…having good linemates like Lupul and Bozak has made a difference in his play this season…he’s a gifted goal scorer who will only get better…
I think the only thing really missing from Kessel’s offensive game is PP presence (or PPP if you will). When a guy like Kovalev was on the PP, you got worried because you knew they could work magic with the extra man. Kessel, not so much. If Kessel ever gets anything approaching a Stamkos/Kovy/Ovi one-timer and/or a Mogilny/Tucker ability to make/take cross-crease passes for open nets, he would be the ultimate offensive hockey player.
He already has the ability to make every pass in the book, most of the time his teammates fuck up the tap-ins.
by lucc on Feb 17, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sucks
Im pretty sure if Burke put a condition on the first draft pick (like a top 3 or top 5 protected), boston would have accepted. then well have both seguin and kessel. Too bad it didnt happen :(

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