Leafs Back In The Playoffs... For Now
by JP Nikota on Feb 2, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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PrintAs I've already pointed out in the game recap, last night's win was a cathartic one for me. To see the Buds get the bounces they missed in the previous game and the goaltending that they deserved was a nice way of cleansing the palette. Here's hoping that with Colby Armstrong and John-Michael Liles healthy, the team can get start stringing together some wins.
The rather sobering reality, however, is that the Leafs still have quite a hill to climb, as both the New Jersey Devils and the Washington Capitals have games in hand, and could easily leapfrog the Leafs for the remaining two playoff spots. It's going to be a long battle.
Now, my lead-in isn't really related to my featured link today, but what the heck, this is a good interview clip anyway. Brian Burke recently sat down with George Stromboloupoegprogjpsogsous to talk about accepting a gay NHL player when they decide to come out:
Plenty of links after the jump as usual. Enjoy, everyone.
Leafs Links:
Ray Ferraro Apologizes
I think this whole thing gives Dion Phaneuf more ammo for Ferraro than anything. So embarrassing for him and awesome for us.
In the Pipeline
Greg Thomson looks at Leafs' prospects in the CHL with his first post over at The Leafs' Nation.
Reimer blanks Pens as Leafs rebound from collapse in Pittsburgh
Jeff Blair with a recap over at the Globe and Mail.
Please stop the Nazem Kadri yo-yo
Can't say I'm so upset about it, but Michael Langlois at Vintage Leaf Memories has a few thoughts to share.
Other things the Star compared last night's Leafs loss to
Cam Charron wasn't so bothered by the Leafs' loss to the Pens the other night, and he doesn't think you should be, either. Of course, he's from British Columbia, and they aren't exactly well-known for being graceful in defeat. (Kidding, Cam.)
Examining the Toronto Maple Leafs’ Second-Half Schedule
Lukas Hardonk has a look at The Hockey Guys.
Other Hockey Links:
Introducing: The Mario Lemieux Hat-Trick
Danny Gray's latest offering also caught the eye of some folks over at Puck Daddy. Not a bad idea, if you ask me.
Is No News Good News?
Jonathan Willis says... probably. From The Leafs Nation.
Zone Start Effects on Stats
Yeah, they're important. From David Johnson at Hockey Analysis.
Lies, damned lies, statistics and bright line rules
The latest from Tyler Dellow.
1.35 Million Viewers for the All-Star Game on NBC
Via Puck The Media.
Backhand Shelf Podcast
Hey, they noticed the video we posted over here of the "Somebody f***ing go!".
That one sad guy
This is honestly a pretty funny idea. Glove tap to Backhand Shelf for pointing this one out.
Backhand Shelf speaks with Mark Recchi at the CHL Prospects Game
There's a great quote about the Dr. Recchi episode in here. Worth a read. From Dave Cunning at Backhand Shelf.
NHL Reffing: an Epidemic?
The Silver Fox takes issue with the Leafs' first game against the Pens. I'd say last night's game was pretty shoddy in terms of officiating as well, but it just happened to work out more in the Leafs' favor.
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Looks like the “In the Pipeline” link should be: http://theleafsnation.com/2012/2/2/in-the-pipeline-february-1st
I feel better today after all that cursing. bravo skinnyfish
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
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by elseldo on Feb 2, 2012 7:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I feel better today after all that cursing. bravo fuck skinnyfish
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
For all this criticism of his game this year, he is now on pace for 29 goals, easily passing his previous career high of 21 which he got last year.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 2, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
I like him. A lot of people here seem to irrationally dislike him.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Same, longtime Mac supporter here, even though he’s probably as good as gone.
well, that escalated quickly
/waves
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Sup?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
I hope he stays! Seems good in the room, drops em, has a great shot and I think their line will get going soon again. His value now is pretty low I would guess so that’s probably some kind of insulation…
by The Blue Spirit on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
drops em,
2 fights in 2 years and both happened last season.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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To be fair that’s mostly because it’s hard to fight with rampant boneitis
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Played all 82 games last season and only missed 7 this season
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m extra surly today
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Ugh I need coffee I thought we were talking about Colby… reading comprehension ftw
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I like him because he puts the puck in the net a lot.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
He also seems to score in bursts. Last year a lot of people here thought he was going to score 25-30 and he tailed off. Players rarely maintain the same production all season. I still think he’s closer to being a 20 goal guy than a 30 goal guy.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm okay with that.
4 20 goal scorers (including Grabovski, Lupul & Kessel) is pretty decent.
Ideally we’d like 1 or 2 more *Kulemin, Kadri, mythical #1C that totally isn’t Bozak) but there’s only so much ice time to go around
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
4 20 goal scorers
hey hey heya hey
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smoke weed everyday
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
mythical #1C that totally isn’t Bozak
urge to go full VRN in defence of Bozak rising…
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
I'll summarize it for you
He’s producing well with Kessel
He’d ideally be a 3C
We still need a 1C
repeat ad nauseum.
No no, dig UP stupid.
this I could live with. I’d also add that he’s at the very least not terrible on the PK and part of a decent second unit.
It’s the seeming endless waves of hate on the guy that I don’t get and makes me want to step in.
That being said, I felt the same way about Matt Stajan in his day and maintain the unpopular stance that Nik Antropov and Alexie Ponikarovsky are fucking terrible excuses for first line talent so maybe I just like being contrary
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
For such a short but beautiful time, someguy was Gary Roberts and someguy was Alexander Mogilny.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
by Learn2Leaf on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but mostly it was a rotating cast of characters. Mogilny was very good then, but he also wasnt in his prime.
No, I know, that’s why I said the time was short. And while not in his prime, but that line played great together.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Sure, but imagine how much worse Mogilny would’ve been had he not played with Sundin? I mean, Sundin was the guy who made Jonas Hoglund a scorer.
I never got the total hate for that guy. Sure he was terrible on Sundin’s wing but there were more than a few people out of their depth that were tried on that line. He was a waiver pick-up (if I’m not mistaken) so it’s not like we had to actively trade someone useful to get him
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
I don’t hate him but I hate that we put people like him on a line with Sundin. Imagine if he actually played with talented wingers.
I actually liked Hoglund – he knew it was Sundin who had the talent, he was smart enough to take advantage of what he was given. For one year he was good in the spot.
I don’t recall who would’ve been able to have been put there, but as a team that has money to burn, you gotta think a top line winger on some bottom feeder team would be able to be bought off with a pick and something.
I maintain Segei Berezin is under-rated even if he was completely one-dimensional
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
I don’t think he was underrated. Didn’t he get consideration for rookie of the year, or am I just imagining that because Mike Johnson also got consideration just a year after him?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t recall that, but I also don’t recall Mike Johnson getting consideration so who knows? I just meant ‘cause we had the Hoglund’s of the world up on Sundin’s line while Berezin was toiling away with Yanic Perrault and Garry Valk.
Although to be fair, that cross-crease Perrault to Berezin pass was flippin’ STELLAR on the PP
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
Berezin did get his chance on the 1st line with Sundin and Modin…
The all-Swedish line of Sundin-Modin-Berezeen!
/Ol’JoeB’d
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the best part of this is that Berezin isn’t Swedish. God bless announcers
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
In fairness, I don’t think it was Joe who made that mistake. I believe he was the one who made the joke after Berezin scored in an away game and the announcer called him that.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson was nominated after spending his rookie year on a line with Derek King and Alyn McCauley. He lost to Sergei Samsanov
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Yes I remember this one, I just thought Sergei was also.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sergei Samsanov
He was supposed to be Alex Ovechkin before Ovechkin was Ovechkin. My, my, who ever saw that steep cliff coming?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
join me in my crusade against stupidity.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
There's nothing stupid about disliking Bozak as our #1C.
I’m realistic. I get what he’s good at and what he can do. For his ability and salary he’s a great 3C.
This is one of those conversations that we’ve all had too many times.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Boy is it ever.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
i agree 100%. was just making a joke.
actually, he’d be a pretty good #2 C if that role wasn’t already being filled by a guy that makes a pretty good #1 C.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
i agree 100%. was just making a joke.
Heh, it’s sometimes hard to tell around here.
No no, dig UP stupid.
to be fair, it wasn’t a very good joke.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
wow.
this is like a ralph klein against public drunkenness crusade.
or daoust against money.
or me against swearing.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
you’re a dick
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
or a vrn against being a dick crusade.
/adickbutstillwinning
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that should have still been a high sticking penalty 9 times out of 10
No no, dig UP stupid.
The world’s smallest violin is playing their tune
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Actually no penalty because the Penguins player caused that to happen. Think a non-call on goalie interference because his own defenseman pushed a forward into him.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Maybe, maybe if it were reviewable, but cmon most times a stick to the face, blood on his lips, that’s a double minor.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I just letting you know what the “official ruling” on that play is. I’m not trying to speak for the refs who have to make a split-second call.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Ya the official ruling might be in the Leafs favour… but if Leafs had gotten called for a double minor on that one I probably wouldn’t have complained too hard.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
There are so many other “bad” calls to complain about anyway
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
And two posts that helped Reimer get a shutout and leafs the win. Some good bounces and solid play.
Maybe the leafs should have won the first game too but going into the games, I thought there was little chance I think the leafs get 3 out of 4 possible points in the back to back.
yup 3 out of 4 points, I think, redeems us from a game we should have won but lost. And we didnt let this one go to OT, which would have given pittsburgh a point. If we pick up a win against Ottawa on Saturday (which is not a given, considering how bad we’ve been on saturdays) we’ll be well on our way.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Pens hit some posts last night. Leafs hit the post on 2 odd man rushes the night before. C’est la vie.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
You always have to be in control of your stick. Doesn’t matter how hard someone else hits you/knocks you around. If your stick comes up and hits someone else in the face it’s a penalty.
Unless you’re following through on a shot – i.e. Grabbo on Pronger
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
That was negligent. Follow through on shot like Grabbo vs Happy Gilmour golf swing not the same
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
that was fucking tragic, I always liked Berard. Even if he was the first in what has become a long line of Americans stealing roster spots from Canadians on our beloved team. /notseriousaboutthesecondpart
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
That play derailed our season. The Ottawa game was capping off an all-Canada road trip. Leafs won all five games too. Great times, until Berard was lying in a pool of his own blood.
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by PPP on Feb 2, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Got to say I understand why Kadri was sent down (waiver exemption) but I really think its worth it if we can clear a roster spot for him, perhaps deal a player for a mid-level prospect or a pick. He’s been good enough to stay up.
cough lombardi cough
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Detroit would view Connolly as the top 6 player they are looking for. I know everyone says they are looking at Grabo, but we are all hoping Grabo stays soo. Bottom line is if Connolly can’t beat out Bozak for that 1st line spot, he’s really too expensive for the 3rd line. However I wouldn’t want to move him unless we had another centre who was defensively responsible was coming in either from that trade or a different one.
Unfortunately the player Burke would try to get back is kinda untouchable in Darren Helm. He’d be the perfect Burke-ian 3rd line centre but I think Detroit loves him too much to give him up.
Yeah I’d say there’s very little chance that the Leafs could get Helm out of Detroit, and probably not for connolly
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Lombardi for Moen. They need more french players and we need more size. Plus he comes off the books at the end of the season if he is not worth resigning
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
… and he’s not worth re-signing
we’d have to send a pick back the other way in all likelihood due to the salary cap difference
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Oh it’d have to be Connolly+ to have any chance.
I had just thought Detroit might want someone like Connolly. Then I was like hmm detroit…OMG DARREN HELM!!.. then I snapped back to reality and was like… damn Darren Helm might as well have a chain and padlock on him so he can’t escape/get stolen in downtown Detroit.
Also Detroit doesn’t really need top-6 players (who do you take out from Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Bertuzzi… and I forgot the last 2 but 2 of Filpulla, Hudler, Cleary)
Connolly isn’t much of an upgrade on any of those guys, except for maybe Cleary
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Except everyone (Dreger, Lebrun, Friedman) is saying Detroit is looking for a top 6 forward, and that they wanted Grabo.
Well Grabbo for 2.9m is a pretty huge bargain for a team looking for a rental player to make a run. Any team looking to make a run is probably going to look at him
Connolly for 4.75m for next year and this year isn’t really much of a bargain for his production
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Correct, but I think Team Re-sign Grabovski make excellent points as to why we shoudl keep him, even if others want him.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Woooo #TeamRe-signGrabovski
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well we have to re-sign him… who else will make Foligno like leaps?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
It’s awesome… but just not the same…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
It would be really hard to lose with Grabovski’s situation. If we move him, it’s going to be (had better be) for a damn good package. If we keep him, we’re keeping a very productive player who I’m confident Burke will get re-signed. This also makes it tough to speculate when we neither know what the market looks like, nor what his contract demands are.
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Yeah I’m not sure what the asking price for him is, but I’d have to think he’d be one of the more advantageous rental players that’s out there due to his low cap hit, which makes me assume that the market price for him is fairly high.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
My gut tells me there’s a 90% chance he re-signs but not until after the trade deadline…. like in June.
His agent will want to maximize his contract, and his leverage gets pretty high around then.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ayup.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently (see front page) they are talking contract now.
I have a bad feeling if they don’t get him signed after a few days of face to face meetings with the agent Burke will end up moving him.
I’d be upset with Burke if they weren’t TALKING contract now, but if I’m his agent… I tell Burke his intention is to re-sign… but we’re not interested in signing anything until June.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
puts Burke in a bad spot, and if Grabbo really wants to stay he wouldn’t want his agent to say that. He’d want him to tell Burke he wants to stay in Toronto and to find a fair price for his services.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not his agent’s job to put Burke in a good spot. It’s his job to get Grabovski a fair value contract.
I think eventually they’d have a conversation that would be along the lines of
“We don’t want to sign anything until June”,
Burke: “I need to know right now if he’s committed because there is an offer on the table that is hard to refuse”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I think Burkes response if the agent says we won’t sign till after the season would be. Well we either sign now or we’ll have to pick up talks again July 1st when we are eligble to talk to each other again.
As long as things stay open and amicable between Leafs mgmt and his agent I gotta think it’ll all work out.
It’s only the hard-line stances that worry me.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yet you were the one who mentioned you would take a hardline stance if you were Grabos agent…
I would put money on Burke’s stance being
“We would love Grabo to resign he’s a huge part of this team, but as a team that’s still building for the future we cannot risk losing him for nothing this summer”
I didn’t say he SHOULD take a hard-line stance but that should be his prerogative as an agent to maximize leverage.
At the very least, let Burke know honestly whether the type of offer Leafs are offering is within reason and it’s just a matter of figuring out something that works.
If they’re nowhere close I’d let him know right now.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t most players players usually get locked up earlier in the year? How often do key players get anywhere close to UFA before resigning with the same team? The Sedins are the only recent example I can think of. But guys like Sharp, Kesler, Liles… usually get locked up mid-season or earlier if the team really wants to keep them.
Don’t most players players usually get locked up earlier in the year?
Not necessarily.
How often do key players get anywhere close to UFA before resigning with the same team?
Often.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Of course they want Grabovski, he’s a “homeless man’s Datsyuk” (one of my favourite descriptive terms for him)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not that I think it would work… but it’d be pretty funny to see Grabbo and Datsyuk on the same line… it’d be like the hockey version of the Harlem Globetrotters
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol a million times this!
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
/Whistles the theme song.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Have they? Detroit’s already got pretty good centres. The only specific team I’ve seen potentially linked to Grabovski is Chicago.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of skipped over this in my comment above, but the only center on detroit’s top 3 lines that I’d say Grabbo is really an improvement over is Filpulla… and that’s still debatable to a certain extent
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Franzen – Datsyuk – Bertuzzi
Filppula – Z – Hudler
Miller – Helm – Cleary
4th line garbage
Holmstrom somewhere when he gets healthy
Grabbo is a definite upgrade to that top 6/9. Detroit could put Datsyuk and Zetterberg back together for a super line and have secondary scoring/defensive responsible line.
I do not want Helm at all. He’s a Draper 2.0 and we have enough 3rd/4th line guys on the team as is
Detroit does have the cap room to take Connolly and his contract
we don’t need any 3rd/4th liners. We have a ton of depth in that area, we need more talented top 6 players. If there’s none available, we don’t make a deal.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah either too old, or not what we need
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
They have some good prospects.
According to Corey Pronman, the best prospects in the LEAGUE.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi for Jurco?
/crossesfingers
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nyquist has pretty good numbers and is on the cusp of cracking the roster
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Him too, I saw him pre-season against the Hawks actual roster and he looked pretty good
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I keep hearing how good Tatar is but his numbers don’t blow my mind
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=120671
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that he too has spent 2+ years in the AHL
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Almost every prospect in Detroit spends a huge amount of time in the AHL or Europe.
The myth is that all those players turn out great and Detroit is so deep that they can afford to develop their talent properly in the minors.
The truth is a lot don’t make it out of the AHL because they’re not that great at hockey.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit at some point is going to be inevitably hurt based on the fact that they haven’t drafted high in almost any rounds (but especially the 1st) in such a long time that it’s harder to find NHL prospects
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just interesting in light of recent conversations about our own prospects and their time in the AHL. That false assumption about Detroit has a lot to do with the different perceptions about player development I guess.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
All of Detroit’s ACTUALLY great players spent almost 0 time in the AHL.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Almost every prospect in Detroit spends a huge amount of time in the AHL or Europe.
Two reasons.
1) they draft late so their talent isn’t NHL ready.
2) their top 6 and top 4 d is loaded so you better be damned good to take a spot from those guys.
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I think what they do is take talented players that are raw and hope they can teach them to actually play hockey instead of just being talented. Its kinda like what we are doing with Kadri.
Also they like to force feed their system into their prospects until they can play it in their sleep.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
Yeah, it’s just silly to call their team depth a “myth”.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
The myth is that all their AHL players are good enough for other NHL teams.
I’m not trashing their NHL squad at all. They’re freakin’ good.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I like this subject as I can talk about it semi-intelligently.
I’ve never been impressed with him when he’s been called up with the Wings or at the AHL in the few times I’ve seen him play. He’s got pretty good speed, and can forecheck decently… but he’s invisible for huge portions of the time he’s on the ice
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
In the last 14 games...
The Leafs have 4 shut outs and 8 games in which they have given up 3 goals.
The only times they haven’t given up 0 or 3 goals were a 4-1 win over Minnesota and a 5-4 shootout loss to Pittsburgh. Minnesota scored with 2:27 left and Pittsburgh scored with 7 seconds left to ruin the 0 or 3 streak.
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Brown - Steckel - Armstrong
They weren’t line matching against strong competition, but that was one hell of a good forechek game they had going. I’d hope we can use them situationally against tougher (but still not necessarily the toughest) scoring lines.
Long term, however, it’s not a good spot to have Armstrong. I don’t see him fitting into our ‘top nine’ (unless we move out quite a few bodies), and having him on a line that isn’t always going out against tough players is a waste. So Burke has got to try and move him.
It’s really too bad about his injury, because I think he’d look solid on a few teams. The Blackhawks are one; he’d be nails on Dave Bolland’s wing.
name the last time the Leafs were able to play the 4th line in a game with 2 minutes left while protecting a lead.
If you roll four lines with speed skil and who work the other teams’ nuts off, line-matching becomes the other team’s problem, not yours.
He’s not moving because nobody will want to give up anything for that contract, and Colby’s a good guy to have around this team. Plus it’s funny watching mf37’s monthly rant against him.
#TeamCheese
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by clrkaitken on Feb 2, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#TeamCheese
Hell ya
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So let me get this straight. Armstrong forechecking on the 4th line > Macarthur scoring throughout the lineup?
Army wont be on the 4th line long.
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he’ll be swapped with Crabb once he gets back into the flow of things. Or replace Lombo when Lombo is shipped out. Or both because Kadri would come back up.
Kadri-Connolly-Army
seems like a good 3rd line to me.
The was the line everyone wanted to see coming out of camp as our 3rd line or with Bozak.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
why is everyone so sure that Lombo is going to get shipped out? Remember the only reason Nashville gave him up was they couldn’t afford to insure his contract due to his past history of injuries. Any other team that takes him is also going to have to pay the same. Are there other teams that can either afford the premiums for insurance or eat the contract if he does get hurt?
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 2, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
his concussion is fully healed, he really isnt much more risk than any other NHL player at the moment injury wise
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Other than the shoulder that may require off season surgery.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
where has this come up?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Originally they said rehab might be enough or that it might require surgery either now or in the off season.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Never heard anything else as far as official prognosis goes.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
3.5 million dollars of cap space and a 3rd line spot for kadri/frattin?
yes please
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, to be fair. Brown-Steckel-Lombardi or whoever it was were used by Wilson against the Islanders and the Wild, I believe.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Apologies in advance
Since I love MacArthur and Armstrong, I guess that makes me a member of Team Mac and Cheese.
Apology declined, Tribute demanded
Hint: A Mac and Cheese would do nicely.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Brown and Steckel have been going out at the end of games all season without Cheese. And last night it was Grabbo out at the end.
i like Armstrong, I really do. But he’s too expensive to be sheltered the way Steckel and Brown are.
There are teams that utilize what you could call ‘checking’ lines. Washington has Chimera – Laich – Ward. Chicago has Dave Bolland.
That’s the
/woops
… thats the kind of game you want Armstrong for, thats why he is paid 3 million. I don’t think he’s overpaid for what he can* do, but we aren’t using him that way. The only way he is worth it is if he is plays tough minutes, maybe on Grabbo’s wing, or withTimmy C and Lombardi.
* to be honest, he might not be able to do that anymore. But lets give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think, for the time being, we will be seeing the top 2 lines playing around 20 minutes of ice time each and the 3rd and 4rd lines playing about 10 minutes each so there won’t really be a 3rd line and a 4th line but rather two 3rd lines. That is, until Armstrong’s next injury.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 2, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Boneitis isn’t something to joke about!
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It’s highly contagious. My theory is Connolly absorbed Army’s health and gave him boneitis.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I would just like to point out,
That neither team scored a goal until I got home from the office.
Nice of them to wait for me :)
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Ottawa…Objects in your mirror are going to overtake you soon…
(Lupul jersey tug)
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 2, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions
They are currently in 8th on a points per game basis behind the 7th place Leafs and ahead of the 9th place Capitals.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 2, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent!
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 2, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Most excellent!
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I feel bad for all the people who were predicting even just a week ago that the Sens were going to make the playoffs. Because they aren’t.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to agree but I’m still not sure. Saturday will be a key test for us. They’re a team we have to beat, especially as we play 19 playoff teams in the 32 final games of the season (last nights game was a win against a current playoff team, so that’s 2 points there)
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
We win, 5-2.
It has been seen.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
What’s more sad is a couple weeks ago some were even talking about the Senators having a chance at first place.
From where they sit, the Senators would be able to see the top of the Eastern Conference standings on a clear California day.
That’s because they can even spot it through L.A.’s smog.
Settled into a hotel across from the Staples Center for four days is the team deemed at the start of the season as one of the NHL’s least likely to succeed. And yet with a win Saturday afternoon down the road in Anaheim, the Senators could hit the 50-game mark of their schedule just one point out of first place.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
That’s really pathetic especially since the Bruins had like 5 games in hand, or something like that.
by holymackinaw on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t have to click to link to know that it was written by Don Brennan, the most homer of homer writers that ever was. Is there a Leafs equivalent? I’d like to think MIke Ulmer, but he’s actually employed by the team, I believe.
And the contest for best gif ever is OVER
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions 11 recs
How could anyone want to see that man traded?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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23rd in points and 10th in goals among centres. I just hope we can get a 2nd round pick for this third liner
*2 1sts
meant to say that not 2nd.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
That statline is about grabovski, and they called him, a week ago, a 3rd liner that we couldn’t get a 2nd round pick for
You wouldn’t like Grabbo when he’s angry.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Youpineappleswouldn’t like Grabbo when he’s angry.
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
How about some new pictures then?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
want? no one sane
begrudgingly accept the strong chance? a few
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
regrets? had a few?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
But then again… too few to… fuck that, he’s made truckloads, man.
Jared’s the anti-Christ of spelling teachers everywhere.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
your mother conjugates verbs in hell
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
graboo pulling the ol Foligno leap.
Or someone was pressing “A” after a goal was scored.
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I love how he skates towards Mac after but he’s already gone.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Amazing job by MacArthur to shrug off the ferocious Malkin backcheck
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
by PKSube on Feb 2, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That’s more on Kunitz. James Neal was the one who rang it off the crossbar and he got back.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know, I just like how Malkin only crosses the blue line as the goal gets scored
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
He’s coasting there for sure.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU PATYERN!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
He should have gave a Pen a hug like that other gif where the dude scores, hugs the other team and gets popped for it.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Kulemin in this gif. Glide, glide, glide, cheer!
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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Okay guys, Wyshinski just tweeted the link to this editorial on puck daddy,
I’d love it if you guys could take a look at this commercial.
Basically, a beer league game in Port credit, Ontario was ambushed with a mob of thunderstick waving, rabid fans and turned a beer league game into a huge spectacle.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
The Kegger is a walking one-man beer league.
by Peter Lynn on Feb 2, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’d be a great help if you guys could tweet or promote this too!
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
That was really cool.
Were you involved in anyway?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I had some role in concepting, but i also uploaded it to youtube if that’s any merit.
I know, tough job I have.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Ha ha, well done!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Watched it via Puck Daddy earlier this morning – friggin’ awesome idea.
Best part is at the end, the guy sitting against the boards split between laughing and crying from the emotion of the whole thing.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
so awesome
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by CameronSorley on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
This is honestly epic. I am showing this to as many people I can. Good on Budweiser.
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
Lest we forget: Brett Lebda
LOL, the guys from my work made that comemrical. I work for Labatt, they debuted the commercial at the office today. The entire hockey team has been invited to a giant superbowl party at the company pub this sunday
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Keep in mind it has only Labatt products on hand.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
/makes barfing noises.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think a lot people hate the label. I think you gave the average beer drinker a labeless bottle, they couldnt tell you the brand
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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This is very true.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
watch this
Watch how quick they change their opinion
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Ha, this is great already.
Same deal with “fancy wines”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Now I want to drink Bud Light Platinum.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Heard somwhere that the best value wines are $10-12 /bottle.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
And this is coming from a beer snob, so I get that it’s ridiculous.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
if i had to pick a basic big brand bottle beer
it would be blue
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
MGD.
I’m also okay with Bud.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Same.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Canadian in me wants to agree. Living in the US, I have to go with Sam Adams (if you consider that ‘basic’).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn’t liken Sam Adams to Blue, but that’s just me.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Liken, as in it’s “not as good” or “comparing apples to oranges”?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
More so Blue being not as good, but maybe getting to apples and oranges. Despite being readily accessible and quite large, Sam Adams has always struck me as being more of a craft brewery.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
It definitely is crafted so skillfully. Mmmmm… that’s a good malty taste!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Gimme canadian, blue export whatever. I drink Moosehead when I like to have one
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im either spending very little or too much on beer
so it is either the Blue price range or stuff that you can’t buy in anything bigger than a 6 pack
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I’m the same way.
I do enjoy me some Carling light.
Also, tall boys of Mill St. Organic are great for after a game of pick-up hockey.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
i dont buy “good” beer in cans, i get the cheapest crap i can
bag beer is supposed to be terrible
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer cans to bottles actually.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I was on the edge of my seat all game. Props to the boys for coming through in a tough battle. Saturday is a huge game as well, against another team we’re fighting for a playoff spot and one that has lost several recent games. We really need to come out strong against Ottawa; luckily we have 2 days off to rest and prepare.
Montreal is in New Jersey tonight
Does that mean we have to….fuck, I cant even say it.
Whats the cheering strategy for this one, eh?
by ChrisFromParadise on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions
2 asteroids
The 1st one to turn both teams to dust.
Then a 2nd one to crush Brian Gionta’s dust into dusticles.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I’m cheering for New Jersey to lose.
/loophole’d
by holymackinaw on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
fun fact
Grabbo is now tied with Luke Schenn(wtf?) with a team leading +6 rating.
by ChrisFromParadise on Feb 2, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions
via David Alter
"We have our top four" Wilson said in reference to Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Liles and Franson
Do we all agree that this is the Leafs Top 4?
Link.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
I think so, even tho Gardiner played more than Franson last 2 nights.
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Yeah Gardiner may overtake Franson in the next 1-2 years, depending on how Franson develops defensively (he’s LOOKED better, to some extent)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Leafs have a top 5, with 6 and 7 most likely rotating between Schenn and Komi
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Schenn wasn’t awful last night, I wonder whether Komi is back in Saturday.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well if he wasn’t awful, he should stay in… I naturally assume Komi to be worse and that Schenn benefits from playing more
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he’s been good the last 2 nights. As well as the games against the Islanders. I say keep him in. Keep the whole lineup the same, unless the change includes trading Lombo to make room for Kadri
man Lombo has speed, I feel bad for him because he’s come back from such a massive injury, but he’s not contributing offensively much and he’s taking the spots of our prospects (Kadri or Frattin, pick and choose).
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
If we can’t move him in the offseason or at the deadline, I hope that him having a full offseason and training camp to train and get fully conditioned will allow him to improve from his current play.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Lombardi for absolutely anything at the deadline
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say absolutely anything. I wouldn’t want Rick DiPietro for him…
But middling prospect or midround pick should do it.
Anything that gets rid of his salary without taking any back is a win for the Leafs in this case.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
When he scores 10 less points for 1.5 less million than Grabbo next year you’ll regret this.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Ya I doubt I will.
If his salary is gone so we can afford Grabovski? Bye
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Lombardi may be worthwhile down the road, that’s why i think there’s a chance he could move. But we’ve got some prospects that should be able to graduate from the AHL and with Lombo underperforming and a big cap hit (3.5 million) it’s not worth keeping him on the roster.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
e.g. Frattin/Kadri are probably NHL ready. Next year Colborne should push for a spot too – this also makes room for some CHL players we will want to bring up to the AHL.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
If we could move Lombo in the offseason I’d be for it, but I think it will be easier at the deadline and the return will be slightly better.
Our return is cap space. If he goes don’t expect anything more than a mid-late round pick.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
There is also a 4th-round pick to nashville if he plays 60 games over his contract. And a 4th pick to to toronto if he does not get to 60 games. No clue what happens to that clause if he is traded.
how many games did he miss? If I was Burke I’d ask him to scratch him a couple times to get under the 60
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by CameronSorley on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Reminds me that the Leafs will be getting an additional pick from Anaheim from the Lupul deal because he played more than 45 games this season. Or something like that.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
what’s that site that logs all the NHL transactions?
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by CameronSorley on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Toronto’s conditional draft pick will be a fourth-rounder if Lupul spends 40 or more games on the team’s roster in 2012-13. Otherwise, it will become a sixth-round selection.
Still lets that crafty GM trade him at the deadline.
Oh, is it next season? I thought it was both seasons combined. Either way, still pretty funny.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
So Burke gets a likely top 4 pmd, one of the leagues top scoring forwards plus a 4th pick for Beauchemin
Imagine the return if he was worth more a bag of pucks.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
so because Lupul played 40 games, the leafs get an extra pick?
Shouldn’t it be the opposite? Shouldn’t we give them an extra pick because he’s been playing for us.
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Lupul was considered a salary dump. He was a $4.5 million 3rd liner at the time. The draft pick is what Anaheim paid us to take on his contract.
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Why? Grabbo’s re-sign won’t take effect until next season, and moving Lombardi for nothing seems like a waste of assets.
Instead, why not sell high on Lupul this offseason? Get a real return, free up a winger slot, and stay cap-compliant. (As an aside, it’s worth noting that moving out a winger – Lombardi or Lupul – to re-sign Grabovski still leaves us with Connolly, Grabovski, Bozak, Steckel, and then Colborne.)
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Instead, why not sell high on Lupul this offseason?
I’m also on team re-sign Lupul but we’ll deal with that clusterfuck next season.
Oh noes he’s older than 27 send him to the moon
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
we reserve the sun for goalies and bust draft picks?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not an age thing as much as it’s about players who have trade value higher than their likely production. I’m willing to bet against the idea that Lupul has suddenly become one of the best wingers in the game. He’ll also probably cost a good bit to re-sign after putting up a PPG season.
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We’ll debate this next year. He’s not going anywhere this season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul seems like a genuinely nice guy, is becoming a fan favourite and has good locker room chemistry. I know he may never put these same points up again in the future but what wrong with keeping a guy that is going to go balls out for you because you gave him a chance to revive his career. It would be a brutal PR move
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck PR, he’s a good player, keep him, we’ll never get what he’s worth to the Leafs in a trade.
If somehow we did, then bye Lupul.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
No team would put together a package good enough for him. It’s a moot point.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. No team is going to trade for him valuewise like he was a top 10 scorer in the NHL because this could be a fluke season. However trading him at the value that he’s a 2nd line winger like his career suggests would be way undervalue for him.
You could make the case to CBJ that they should do Nash for Lupul straight up. Higher scorer good locker room guy, much better contract. But would they? Nope.
Its like with Grabo. Right now both players are worth more to the Leafs than they would be on the trade market.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was on Team Trade Lupul In The Offseason until I found out he listens to The Arcade Fire. Now I couldn’t bear to see him go.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
No noticible issues… baby steps!
Although there was one play where I did say to myself “Man, Schenn is slow”
But that’s as bad as it got.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was pretty cool how he kept Malkin in check on that one play and put him into the side of the net
s •
There were a few instances I noticed Schenn did a pretty nice job on Malkin.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I liked that. I almost panicked when I saw it was Schenn, but then he decided to let Malkin know if he wanted to get to the front of the net, he’d have to work for it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn was all over Malkin last night. This is what I wanted to see from him more often.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
when he plays physically he plays better
(which is probably the most obvious statement considering the type of player he is)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a valid concern though, particularly with respect to his play around the net (which I know has been discussed recently).
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
That seems to be pretty much par for the course these days.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
You sure about that? 7 shifts in the 1st, 8 in the 2nd, 8 in the 3rd. However his shift lengths get all funky halfway thru the 3rd which probably means he jumps on, there’s a whistle, Pitt changes for Malkin and Wilson line matches with Phaneuf and Gunnarson. He also was on for Mac’s goal, changed after, and was on for the late penalty and pull off for the start of the PK.
I would say that speaks less about Wilson’s view on Schenn, and more about Wilson actively line matching in close games.
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If Wilson was matching lines, why didn’t any of the other defensemen have wacky shift lengths?
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A good chunk of Gardiner’s icetime was on the PP in the third. Hard to say if he would have been short changed along with Schenn or not without that icetime.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
His shifts from about the 43rd minute on are all extremely short, so that makes sense.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly agree with the first three. The number four spot is the only one really up for debate, though Franson currently seems like the best second-pairing option on the right side.
Yes…. Franson a maybe. But is has to be some one on the RD… and it’s def not Schenn or Komisarek right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think so, though Gardiner often gets more ice time than Franson. And I still don’t understand the Liles signing and I’m hoping a trade sometime soon will help it make more sense.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the video. Nowhere does Wilson indicate who the top 4 or bottom 3 are.
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So who does WILSON thing are the top four- Phaneuf, Gunnar, Liles…blank?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Based on ice time, it seems like Gardiner might be #4. On the other hand, presumably #4 needs to play the right side, in which case it would be Franson. I’m starting to feel like Vizzini in the poison drinking contest here.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he boasts a +/- of 0.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 2, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
One of the good things about blank is that his jerseys are cheaper.
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Did you accidently uncheck that little box at the bottom of the story that says “Auto-refresh?”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nope it’s still checked, although now I unchecked it and re-checked it to see if that will help.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Howson called out the NHL over last night’s clock incident.
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I really hope the investigation shows that the Kings did this somewhat maliciously… because Fuck L.A
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
LA was just helping the Blue Jackets stay in last.
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If it was anyone but the Blue Jackets, people would probably care…but alas.
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by whyevenbother on Feb 2, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know I thought Howson made a good point that all the teams competing with LA for playoff position should care, as LA may have essentially given themselves a free point
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
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I doubt the NHL has any issue with this at all, Columbus is a struggling franchise that needs another all-star like Pittsburgh needed first overall in Sid’s draft year
by ShahofToronto on Feb 2, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.
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by whyevenbother on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
There was a time in Montreal last year (possibly the year before) where the clock didn’t run for about 30 seconds. The refs checked the replay and called the game when there was still 14 seconds on the clock.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Did the NHL bugger this up? Yes.
Should Howson care about it? No. All it did was further along Columbus finishing with the best odds to win the draft lottery. He should be happy the Jackets got jobbed.
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I disagree. Even tho they are in dead last, they should not just be like, oh well we got fucked oh hum.
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yeah this is a relatively big deal – if this had happened in the Tor-Pit game we’d be going apeshit over it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
that’s what leafer is saying, he should be making a big deal about it.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 2, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Letter from NHL to Howson
How do you still even have a job?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Columbus might as well just score on their own goal whenever they get the puck – spirit of the game? who gives a shit!
Yakupov will look good in the white
As was brought up a while back, I don’t think they pick a Russian with a high pick (Filatov anyone?) If I’m them, I think you try and move the 1st overall for the 3rd-4th and pick up Murray while getting a good prospect along with the pick swap.
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I think with guys who play junior in Canaada you can take a bit more of a risk, sure Radulovs still happen, but I don’t think you pass up on crazy high end talent like Yakupov or Grigenko
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by CameronSorley on Feb 2, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
If they get #1 they cant trade down. They cant pass up Yakupov. From a PR stand point it will look TERRIBLE
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I’d be surprised if they trade their 1st overall but hey, crazy things happen at the draft.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
The Jackets are 11 points behind the Oilers, who have a game in hand. That first overall is going to Columbus, and they don’t need any help tanking. Further, it’s extremely unlikely that the NHL awards a loser point, or asks the teams to play the overtime, and that’s if the NHL even admits there was an issue at all. By making a statement he stands up for his players, and he stands up for the fans – both of which are probably pretty pissed off about the result, and both of which are probably trying to put out a contract on Howson’s life. I don’t see how he loses here.
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That first overall is going to Columbus, and they don’t need any help tanking.
They still have to win the lottery.
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This is true. Better wording would’ve been “last place is going to Columbus, and…”.
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They will pick 4th. Lebda is always good for a -3.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 2, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If the NHL does have evidence that someone stopped the clock on purpose though, they really need to lean on LA to fire that person.
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and fine the Kings
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL (and it’s refs) do have a history though of ignoring things done against the rules by the L.A Kings
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i really like franson’s game as of late, he seems to just toss guys to the ice like he is swatting flies
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Man
I love this place after wins
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions
I know it’s great I don’t have to skip through the same arguments that happen every time there is a loss
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
if it’s not Reimer Ron Wilson needs to be fired on the spot.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer Reimer gotta be startin Reimer; if I start Gustavsson again I should be fired.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fuck that song. Now it’s stuck in my head
Fuck Kerry Fraser
Someone here is a stick-fucker and we're not leaving until we find out who it is
like there’s something wrong with that?
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 2, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
We’re the happiest people on the planet when we win, and we’re at each other’s throats predicting certain doom when we lose.
In short, we’re all really fucking bipolar and that’s okay.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 2, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs lose:
“FIRE WILSON! THIS TEAM SUCKS!”
Leafs win:
“WOO! PLAYOFFS BABY!!!”
Ahh, the joys of being a bubble team.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going full playoff beard mode if we make it. Too many years I havent been able to do it. So what if its only a week long or so (especially if we play Boston….please no!)
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
yes but I mean if we play them in the playoffs. At least that’s only two more guaranteed losses this year.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
At least we’re bipolar, as opposed to previous seasons where we were more unipolar towards the doom side of the equation. Excluding last season’s exciting post-all star break run, of course.
by Goosemonster on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
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by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
…well that’s just fuckin’ weird
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Who are the leagues best centers?
and why grabovski is amazing
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Nazem Kadri:
And this is an organization that I want to spend my whole career with, so I hope they see it the same way."
His attitude, or at least his PR, seems to have come a long way….
One thing I wish they'd fix about his generic responses
“Obviously”
“Obviously”
“Obviously”
“Obviously”
“Obviously”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What else is he gonna say?
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by birky on Feb 2, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Trade deadline feels like it takes months. I know that because of all the hype by TSN and others ,but damnit I’m impatient.
Anyone betting that he doesn’t do anything big this year?
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I agree, but more because I don’t think the players burke wants are going to be available for the price he’d like.
Hell, even players we don’t want are overpriced. /Ruutufora1st
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I hate that Toronto is coming up in rumours for Ruutu. It seems to make 0 sense.
No no, dig UP stupid.
They assume since we have V.v.V on our team we love lateral moves.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Good stuff.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Burke is reportedly getting antsy about making a deal to pimp the top 6. Uh oh.
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source?
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http://theleafsnation.com/2012/2/2/dreger-brian-burke-is-desperate-to-make-a-deal has it transcribed on the bottom.
well, that escalated quickly
I dont want Van Riemsdyk for Schenn. I’d rather keep Schenn, because I think now we’d be selling low and that would be silly. If he has to be part of a deal, its got to be a for a #1C, not a 2nd line winger.
If Burke thinks JVR will be Lupul’s replacement in a couple of years, does that make it a better deal? I would do Schenn-for-JVR straight up, but I don’t think the Flyers would. So the big question for me is who else do the Leafs have to throw in to make the trade happen?
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If it takes more than Schenn fuck the Flyers
Even then I don’t want Schenn for JvR to happen
No no, dig UP stupid.
Do you think JVR-for-Schenn undervalues Luke, overvalues JVR, or both?
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I think JvR is overrated.
I think it could potentially be lose-lose for both sides.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Plus, let’s say this is the only move that Burke makes at the deadline – is adding 1 more mid-level point producing forward going to push us over the edge, or help our cap? If anything it’s adding to the glut of mid-level point producing forwards we already have.
I’m more interested in moving out a salary to re-sign Grabovski to a fair deal than acquiring JvR.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Lastly
I’m also one of those jerks that still believes Schenn can be a quality NHL dman if developed properly and we’re patient with him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I don’t think that makes you a jerk. Guy drives me fucking crazy sometimes, and I agree.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I DONT WANT TO WAIT.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to keep our first unless a unicorn comes back. JVR is not a unicorn, even if he could be a very good player
how about we keep adding till we can get Giroux?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Given that the Flyers are in a “we need a defenseman” position, I’d be pretty unhappy if the Leafs need to add to make that deal happen. Honestly, I’d prefer if the Leafs were getting back some insurance on the risk, but would understand if we were talking about a 1-for-1.
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You think they’re going to trade a guy who was a 2nd overall pick a few years ago who’s developed reasonably well straight up for a defender who was a healthy scratch earlier this year and seems to have trouble cracking the top 4 on a bad defensive squad?
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straight up for a defender who was a 5th overall pick……Schenn has also developed reasonably well for a 21 year old defenseman………they are both not sure things at this point
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You think they’re going to trade a guy who was a2nd5th overall pick a few years ago who’s developed reasonably well straight up for adefenderforward whowasis ahealthy scratch earliermajor concussion risk this year
No no, dig UP stupid.
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No shit… he suffered from the “must pick him apart and find all faults because he’s best prospect” mindset.
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it makes me want Yakupov, but we’ll never draft first overall ever. We wont even get that pick from anyone, it’s worth more than gold.
Columbus is so bad at drafting they undervalue their picks pretty substantially.
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This is a draft that I would REALLY want to draft up on. There are some excellent players to be had in the first round. Another reason I don’t want to trade our 1st.
I think the best pick of the lot will be had around the 5th overall pick.
Alex Galechynuk is gunna be one hell of a player.
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THAT PICK SHOULD HAVE BEEN OURS
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
The Flyers are drafting like 25th this year…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
JUST BECAUSE HIS COACH WHO HAPPENS TO BE DALE HAWERCHUK LIKES HIM DOESN’T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DRAFT HIM ATLANTA WINTERPEG
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
That organization likes it some Barrie Colts
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
That particular OHL franchise has not done so well with seeing its talent succeed at the next level, for whatever reason. Except of course for Leaf legend Martin Skoula.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Conclusion: Atlanta destroys the careers of every player they draft.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Well, at least there’s still hope for Scheifele, Little and Burmistrov. Can’t say the same for Volchkov, Daniel Tkachuk, Brian Finley and Michael Henrich
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
They have Little who is better than Tavares
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lol that’s true.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
He’d been drafted prior to that though right?
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
As Bob McKenzie said, if having a concussion dropped a player’s trade value, half the guys in the league would be difficult to trade.
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Just not sure why you consider JvR a properly progressing prospect and Schenn not.
Both high draft picks. Both, IMO, contracts worth more than the way they’re playing. Both behind current expectations.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I didn’t say anything about how they’re progressing, I just said that JVR probably has more trade value right now.
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I think its because JVR has higher ceiling still. JVR can still become an allstar but Schenn is doubtful to be much more than a #2 at best.
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I with you. JVR contract = paying for theoretical potential which may never come to fruition.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
No but it’s a gamble for a gamble. I’d rather bank on the guy we drafted. We have plenty of 40 point players.
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especially considering Philly wants Schenn plus for JVR.
Do they?
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It's been reported previously, obviously don't know if it's a certainty but you'd think Burke would have done a straight up swap if it was available considering how high he is on JVR
TSN and the Philadelphia Daily News are reporting the Flyers and Toronto Maple Leafs have held discussions regarding Leafs defenseman Luke Schenn being part of a package coming to Philadelphia in exchange for forward James van Riemsdyk.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=611605
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No, but Schenn showed that he IS capable of playing up to it (see year 3 and to a lesser extent, year 1). I haven’t seen anything from JVR (outside of ONE magical playoff).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think they both pretty equal – 22 year old top 5 picks who just signed big contracts and aren’t performing to expectations. Both teams have a surplus of talent at the respective position so I think the trade could work out well for both teams.
what do we expect out of JVR? Because a 40-something point winger with size is not an upgrade. We have plenty of 40 point guys, and yes they arent that big, but you really want to give up Schenn for size up front?
I’d guess that a 40 point player who is only 22 years old and getting 3rd line minutes will probably be a 60-70 point player if he can get 1st line minutes at 25 years old.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thats why I hate the P/60 stat. People who see that and assume a player will keep that up with more ice time drive me nuts
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It is - in general - true that more ice time = more points
What isn’t included in that type of correlation analysis…. the players getting more points… usually earn that ice time by being better players.
Not necessarily average players being given more ice time will get more points (pro-rata)
No no, dig UP stupid.
I was basing it more on quality of linemates and improvement due to age.
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You provide some context and are generally intelligent with your comments, so I didn’t direct that at you.
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I would argue that saying Schenn will be a top shutdown defender would be an even bigger assumption. Which points more towards reaching their potential?
A big winger getting twenty goals two seasons in a row under 22, with limited minutes or a defencemen with one decent season, one horrible season, another decent on followed by a bad season (this year so far) who doesn’t and can’t face the other teams top opposition effectively.
Also simply based on numbers it’s more feasible that a 20-20, 21 year old could progress to 25-25 or better, versus a bottom pairing defencemen leaping forward hugely to top shutdown defencemen simply because it is easier to be (there are more) 60 points players in the league than top shutdown defencemen.
I’m just sick of the over-hyping Schenn gets because he hits a lot. Frankly for someone whose thing is shutting down players, he isn’t very good at it and the argument he is young and will progress also applies to JVR, who better fits the Leafs window.
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that’s comparable, this year, to:
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Thats why I hate the P/60 stat. People who see that and assume a player will keep that up with more ice time drive me nuts
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the players getting more points… usually earn that ice time by being better players.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I made no assumptions or correlation, I just posted it.
and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with p/60
sure, you earn more ice time by proving yourself,
but sometimes there’s a logjam, philly does kind of have one
p60 also eliminates power play points which is important
the numbers I did do, they’re strictly 5 on 5.
peoples p60 on the powerplay are much different,
for example, RNH: 7.29p60 on the pp
How many people in hockey think JVR is going to be a 40 point guy? Nearly everyone who I’ve heard talk about him thinks he has stud potential.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pff Dreger says that every day.
Vague references to Schenn, Grabovski, Gunnarsson, JvR, Bobby Ryan, Ryan Malone, Brendan Morrow, etc etc
No no, dig UP stupid.
Who gets moved off the top two lines…………….Bozak is unilkely since it’s pretty damn tough to get a #1C and doesn’t look like many are on the market…………..Kessel, Lupul and Grabbo aren’t being taken out so obviously not them…………..leaves Kuli and C-Mac.
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boooooo trade lombardi, blend the lines the rest of the year, RW is going to do it anyway
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i would like this………….Lombardi hasn’t impressed me much, his speed is tremendous but other than that meh
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Ya………… I mean………. he hasnt…………. done…………. much……………. Lets trade him…………… for………..a ………………..5th
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exactly what are we going to reasonably get for lombo probably see kule/mac dman and picks going out for jvr
That’s an overpayment for JVR…….Philly is looking primarily for a good young NHL defenseman who can help them now and in the future in any deal……On this team, those players would qualify as Schenn, Gunnar and Franson. Packaging one of them plus a pick AND one of Kuli or C-mac is too much
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man, he just helped me realize how important Lombardi is to this club…………………what tremendous insight
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
he’s obviously being traded to the Leafs for Schenn and Kadri + a 1st.
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Or Vancouver for Raymond, Ballard, Schneider and a 2nd.
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you forgot Stamkos
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t tell if this was a whoosh or not…
The Leafs didn’t practice today so no one was on the ice
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by not norm ullman on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dean Lombardi rules
“Those clocks are sophisticated instruments that calculate time by measuring electrical charges called coulombs — given the rapidity and volume of electrons that move through the measuring device the calibrator must adjust at certain points which was the delay you see — the delay is just recalibrating for the clock moving too quickly during the 10 – 10ths of a second before the delay — this insures that the actual playing time during a period is exactly 20 minutes That is not an opinion — that is science — amazing devise quite frankly.”
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that’s hilarious if true, considering that the amount of error in the time-keeper’s ability to stop the clock on time is likely to exceed 1-2 seconds in a period.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The stop coincides with the ref waiving off the highstick.
The time-keeper misunderstood the ref’s intention and thought the play was dead, he stopped the clock for half a second.. realized the play was still on and restarted it..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
The line “amazing devise quite frankly” makes me think that this was written not by Lombardi, but by a steampunk author.
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When will people learn to spell the term “ensure” properly? Unless they are buying insurance for the “actual playing time during a period”!?!??
Also, who was that smart person that once said something about not believing in coincidences?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Lombardi, but that might just be a coincidence.
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by CoolJ90 on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So we’re all agreed that the “winner” of the Southeast Division is going to end up with less points than the team that finishes 9th in the East, right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions
the SE is a fucking disgrace. If their top team doesnt have enough points to make the playoffs they shouldn’t. Period. I hate the division 1-2-3.
I like the 123,if the team wouldn’t be ranked 8 otherwise, i agree that they shouldn’t be in the playoffs. We can call it the “Southleast rule”
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Why not just go most points gets higher seed? If you only have the 8th highest # of points and your the best in your division it usually means you sucked outside of your division and feasted on freebie points.
Its more impressive for the NYR/Phiily/Pitts to be as high as they are because they all need to play each other 6 times a year…
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That’s vastly overblown. The best team in any division gets nearly the same bonus as washington in terms of expected number of standings points.
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So you’re saying the Rangers can expect to win as many games playing the Flyers and Penguins (and even the Devils) as Washington can expect from playing the Panthers, Lightning and Jets? Which one screams harder schedule to you?
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The bonus from not having to play yourself is greater than the bonus of your entire division being terrible.
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That bonus is only there in the relative in the sense that you’re only so good because everyone else is so bad.
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I don’t get what you mean. You are saying that because the Rangers don’t have to play the best team in the East 6 times it makes them having to play Philly/Pittsburgh 12 times easier?
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Example (BOOM MATH)
Assume Washington and the Rangers have the same win% as the Bruins. (I.E. no difference in results, just strength of schedule)
Let’s make some theoretical divisions: A division composed of the four copies of Bruins (highest win% in the east) and the Rangers (we assume that somehow NYR is leading this division). And a division composed of four copies of Carolina (worst win% in the east) and washington.
These are the hardest and easiest theoretical divisions in the east. Because everyone in the east plays every other team 4 times, these games cancel out in terms of difficulty. Therefore, the net difference in schedules is eight games vs. Carolina compared to eight games against boston. The difference in their win% is .321, so you expect to win 2.56 more games per season. You may think that’s a lot, and it is, but when we translate it to the real divisions, it’s much smaller (For example, TBL-FLA cancel out with NJD-NYI, so if you use actual divisions win%s its .515 wins)
However, the Capitals/Rangers get a bonus for being the best team in their division , as they don’t have to play themselves. Because the Capitals in this example have a .666 win%, the rest of the East averages a .488 win% (we’ll pretend the west is equally skilled compared to the east because that hurts my case slightly). The Capitals don’t have to play themselves six times, so they get 1.06 net wins from not having to play themselves flat out, and that 1.06 only depends on winning percentage. (for the .560 w% caps its a .584 win bonus)
Therefore, the differences in schedule strength result in the following adjustments for an 82 game schedule:
.515 wins because the Southeast is terrible compared to the Atlantic
+.584 wins because the Capitals don’t play the best team in their division six times
(50 wins because the Eastern conference is a joke)
So being terrible gives the caps half a win and being in first also gives them half a win… per season.
Though, you can see this is getting pretty close, but the southeast still needs to get 15% worse to be worth more than merely leading your division.
Though the people in the middle of their division do get a small bonus from being in a terrible division, the first and last place team generally do not.
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by Ubiquitous on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think about it this way.
All teams in the Eastern conference have the same schedule minus 15 games (8 divison 4 h2h and 3 randoms). They play every team in the West once (15 games) and every other team in the conference 4 times (52 games) for a total of 67 games versus common opponents. Those 67 games give you the same strength of schedule. Assume the 2 teams in question have the exact same winning % and they played the same team in those 3 “random” games so there at 74 games against the exact same teams/winning %‘s. That leave 8 games that would determine strength of schedule. Now assume team A) is in a division where the other 4 teams have a combined winning % of .250 and team B) is in a division where the other 4 teams combine for a 0.750 winning %. That means the teams in Team A’s division expect to win only 2 of those final 8 games while team B’s divison would expect to win 6/8 of those. That would be a 4 game difference for Team A over Team B.
Therefor
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Yes, you’ve got it. I’m just saying that number is smaller than the bonus a team gets for being in first, because NHL winning percentages are grouped fairly close to .5…
The bonus for being in first is not a strength of schedule thing, its a strength of opponents bonus, merely by being in first you guarantee your divisional opponents are worse than had you not been in first (This should be fairly obvious logically)
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Don’t you go bringing math and logic into this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
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by leafer1984 on Feb 2, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Congratulations, you’re 1 goal better than Columbus (only in universes where Drew Doughty’s shots stop time)
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YYYYYYYYYYYYYYESSS
Now if we kill every single penalty until the end of the year we could maybe escape the bottom 5!
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suggesting Chris Stewart could move at the deadline.
Now there’s a guy I could see overpaying for on a down year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Sounds like a Burke kind of guy. On the other hand, neither his boxcars nor his advanced stats paint a very bright picture at the moment. You’d definitely be betting on this just being a one-off bad year.
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It would depend on what the Blues are looking for. If they are looking for depth for a playoff run we could do that (Mac+) but if they want prospects no thanks.
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probably someone who can provide the scoring they are missing from Stewart………why else would they want to trade him. He’s still quite young.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Franson for Stewart? I’d do that.
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Maybe they do if they want to make a run this year
Their Top dmen look to be (by TOI)
Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Nikitin, Jackman, Colaiacovo, Polak
I gotta think we have a dman that could oust one of those
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I think it’d have to be Franson+ Clarkie Mark to replace the scoring for Stewart and maybe a something lil extra
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I don’t watch the Blues enough to know if his problem is the system he’s in or not, but if it is, fuck yes that’s worth it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I’d say so. Stewart if he rebounds is a All-star level power forward. And only 23 yrs old. Hell even if he doesn’t get back to .85 PPG and .5 gpg and only is a 25-25 player he would bring a whole new element to this team.
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and what if Kulemin rebounds to last years form?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s as dumb as a stone, I might add.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 2, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
When did we start talking about Dion?
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by happiergilmore on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
The Calgary Flames cannot apologize enough for continuing to not trade Jarome Iginla and making a slew of inconsequential transactions that amount to dealing deck chairs on the Titanic for stools on the Hindenburg.
From Adam Proteau and his 30 apologies article.
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by CoolJ90 on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fitting though seeing as how the Hindenburg went down in flames.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 2, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Jay Feaster is full of hydrogen?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is that a new type of sushi?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 2, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Toronto Maple Leafs apologize for nothing! DO YOU HEAR US? NOTHING! Bloody media vultures. YOU OWE US AN APOLOGY!
by LeafInVancouver on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They have ONE year of playoff success to show for all those years of Jarome Iginla.
Might be the biggest waste of talent I can think of.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mike Gartner – Gets traded from the Rangers to the Leafs the season they win the Cup. That sucks man.
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Sure, but I mean toiling away with the same franchise. Sundin is obviously a similar example, but he played in 3 conference finals, and many playoff series wins. All while setting multiple records for one of the most storied franchises in hockey. At least Iggy has his gold medals.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Kipper in Calgary too
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I know he is terribly over rated, but he probably could have done better by a decent team after that cup run
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
gold medal you say?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
That was implied.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I just wanted to post it
/swoon
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
We were so spoiled by him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
we really were. I mean I love dougie and wendel, but he is the one player I would bring back to the Leafs in his prime right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Shiit, my point remains.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Leetch to the Leafs, for that one little run, supposed to be another year, but fuck you lockout
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
traded from NYR to Chicago with 7 games left in the regular season.
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Brutal.
I mean there are plenty of good players who never won a Cup. But most were not the face of a franchise and wallowed in mediocrity in the twilight of their career. Which is why I can’t hate Mats for signing with the Canucks.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Chicago Blackhawks apologize unreservedly to the Toronto Maple Leafs for committing larceny in the Viktor Stalberg/Kris Versteeg trade
Don’t get this one? Are they saying that Stalberg has turned out to be a better player than Versteeg?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently. I’m not to worried about it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Is Versteeg a Leaf right now?
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We did get half of Tyler Biggs in return, didn’t we?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
And Stalberg is playing well. Its a dumb comment by Proteau (and if you expected any less you’re an idiot too) but Stalberg is looking decent right now
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Playing for Chicago will do that for you.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
playing with Toews and Kane will do that for you
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Since dobber hockey isn’t free anymore I can’t tell you how many of his points have come with them.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 2, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
someone posted his line mates a couple weeks ago, he played something like 70 percent of his time with both of them i think
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Playing for Chicago will do that for you. on a line with Toews and Kane.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Percy (22 points in 25 games in the OHL as a D) and Leivo (45 points in 44 games, not bad for a 3rd round pick)
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
shouldn’t they be apologizing to the Flyers for them getting ripped off so much MORE for Versteeg?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
meh we got a 1st and 3rd for Stalberg, Dedominoc, Paradis and some other dude or something. Whatever. Yawn.
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by Nifty Mittens on Feb 2, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Birky will be sad to hear that Ed Duhatschek said that Nieuwendyk is telling rival GMs that Brendan Morrow is not available and will not be traded. Doesn’t mean he won’t for sure (GMs have lied before), but it does pour a bit of cold water on that rumour.
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