2000s are Giving the 80s a Run for Their Money
by SkinnyFish on Feb 20, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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It's a holiday in both the States (Dios de los Presidentes) and Ontario (Dios de la familia) (those heathens in Quebec put it off until Friday), so don't expect a lot of anything today. Instead, give Mike Langlois' piece at Vintage Leaf Memories a read. If you're like me, you'll be thanking you went thru the 80s without a full functional memory system yet because you were born around 1984. Anywho, Mike writes:
The Leaf Legacy in My Lifetime: Part Four, the 80s (ouch)
As the 1970s were drawing to a close, sometimes (almost always?) bombastic and occasionally controversial Leaf owner Harold Ballard decided he needed—or just wanted— new leadership in the Maple Leaf executive offices. In my mind, Jim Gregory had been a pretty outstanding General Manager in Toronto. He had to overcome Ballard’s meddling and often toxic behavior and despite that, Gregory made many shrewd moves via trades and the draft, as I outlined in an earlier post in this series.Of course not all of his moves worked, but what GM has a perfect track record?
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Maple Leafs Go Back to the Drawing Board...Again
I'm not sure what this headlines means exactly, but the article is about how the Leafs tendencies to cheat offensively make them suck in their own end.
Carter or Nash? For those wondering, I'm a 42 Long and like longer sleeves than normal.
Maple Leafs' Record vs Playoff Teams
God awful. But then again shouldn't that be the expected norm for a bubble team? Shouldn't a team in 8th be generally worse head-to-head against the 7 teams ahead of them and gain more points from the 7 teams below them?
Now is the Time for the Toronto Maple Leafs to Trade
If it's going to improve the team, might I have suggested before the recent 1-5 stretch?
Lots of photogoodness at Vintage Leafs
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Devils Deal Habs Playoff Setback
Yeah because being in 13th with 2 more games played than 12th and 11th means you're right in the thick of things.
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Hypothetical question:
Leafs trade for Rick Nash. Plays pretty well for Leafs. What happens when Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf need new contracts in 2 years? Do they have to pay them both the same money Nash is making?
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
leafs already have a better winger than Nash so why take on his huge contract. It makes no sense to me. I hope Burke is trying to deal for someone else. Maybe Carter.ESPN has reported they heard Reimer was in the mix of players being offered. GREAT SHADES OF RASK.
why would Burke trade our number 1 goaltender? I just don’t see it happening.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
He’s coming off a stretch of a few bad games, media shitting on him, name comes up in rumours. Pretty standard operating practice.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but Burke knows better than the media. He doesn’t sign players long-term (for him) and then just shove them out the door, especially goalies, look at Gus. he’s supported him through a lot of bad goaltending.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I know, Reimer isn’t going anywhere
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Just to play devil’s advocate, why not? Because Burke doesn’t give up on his favourite horses?
Given their level of play this season, in my books neither Gus or Reimer are untouchable if trading them improves the team long term. If Burke could turn either one into a real asset (eg. Carter), I say do it. It’s not like our goaltending can get that much worse, right? Right!???
by 300 Stitches on Feb 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
seriously, did you forget 2008 or something? Ever heard of a guy named Toskala? because things could be a lot worse.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
That was a bit of a joke. After all, I assume we’d take back a goalie in any deal, and Steve .886 Mason would be substantially worse…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
maybe all he needs is a change in scenery
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose during the off-season all bets are off, but Burke isn’t trading our starting goalie in the middle of a run at the playoffs.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
If we traded Reimer, we’d basically be going with Gustavsson for the rest of the year (unless he gets another starting goalie from somewhere else) and I don’t think either is a likely proposition
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
reimer’s having a tough season, but you don’t throw out a goalie like him when his value is at a low point just because of that. He hasn’t even played a full season for christ’s sakes! Trading Reimer without a number one goalie coming back screams “fuck the playoffs, we’re out of it!”
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Thank You
I think people forget this!
"Pass to the Left, Cause the Right is Wrong!!"
Reimer........
@Scradam31
by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 20, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
But if his trade value is Carter, would his value really be at a low point? Not that that is in any way a realistic scenario. All I’m saying, is Reimer is not an untouchable. If he could be moved, or packaged, in a way to improve the team, than Burke likely does it. That would also mean searching out another sub.910 goalie to back up, gasp, Gustavsson who would be the starter by default…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
it means giving up entirely on the season.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you can find another moderately average goalie to take his place (which may or may not be expensive)
I think we wait until Summer to do that. Harding is available.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Signed for 2 more seasons, they’re committed to him, 23 years old, etc.
Burke has shown he’s not willing to ditch a player after a stretch of a few bad games.
Would he be included if he had to be in a larger trade? Yes. But that would leave us with Gustavsson/Scrivens. Unacceptable.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
That said, if someone out there wanted Gustavsson or Scrivens for some reason, I’d listen.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
If anyone wanted Gustavsson right now for any value they could probably have him.
Nabakov (who won’t re-sign in NYI) for Gustavsson (who might) right now? Done.
Of course NYI seems committed to holding onto him for some ridiculous “playoff run” or pumping up his price to like a 1st round pick.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
not for any value, he’s a pending UFA and we kind of need a backup. Not sure we have a better option right now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Gustavsson is coming back next year. If someone is willing to give something (read: anything) for him, we might as well take it and play Scrivens for the rest of the year.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not if Burke still thinks we can make the playoffs. Unless the “value” we get for Gustavsson is another goalie.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
It’s entirely possible we go 0-3 this week (NJ, SJ, WAS). Is Burke waiting to see what happens in these games before commiting in either direction?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
It’s also entirely possible we go 3-0 this week. I’m hoping for wins against NJ and WAS.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s unlikely. And even if we did go 0-3, we’d still have a shot at the playoffs
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
if we go 0-3 there, we become sellers, basically.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt mind so much except that I’ll get mocked mercilessly as a Leaf fan. i mean, what’s one more season of that, I guess?
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I’m used to it, but I’ve been looking forward to making the playoffs and having a massive party for at least one round of playoff hockey
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Me too, but what’s one more season on the outs if:
A) We have our 1st
B) We would just be playing NYR or Boston and getting absolutely clobbered.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
But we’d be missing the playoff experience, which our team needs considering there are so many young guys. That and I think if we get into the playoffs with some momentum we can make some noise, so why not want that chance, even if it’s extremely unlikely we win the cup
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
its not only unlikely, its about as close to impossible as you can get that we win a cup. Every other team would have to have catastrophic injuries to their rosters or something. Sure playoff experience is good, but if we can free up spots for young guys, I’d be okay with that too, assuming we lose the next three, which we may not (as said above, we could go 3-0, though I doubt it)
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
As long as we win next wednsday (i.e my first leaf game) I’m ok
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
If the deal was maybe Nabakov for Gustavsson and a 4th or something along those lines…I’d do it.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t think NYI would. They seem to think Nabakov is worth a lot.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
For this year yes
he’s a good player, but you’d think they would see he’s gone the second he can leave.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
he didn’t want to be there in the first place, I really doubt he re-signs, although NYI could be spiking their water as they’ve gotten several people to re-sign to such a terribly run organization.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I’m saying, they should trade him and get something in return. Not as if they’re going to win the cup this year. Or we could just sign him this offseason, I don’t know.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
there’s a couple decent goaltenders available in the UFA market.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
While Phaneuf has played far better as a Leaf than he did in the later part of his Flames stint, there’s still no way he deserves the $ he’s making now. Unless he’s going to improve even further, I think a fair price for him is something around what Komisarek earns now.
That being said, UFAs tend to get more than they’re worth, and what with inflation, Burke may indeed end up giving Dion something in the $7M range in two years time.
As for Kessel, as much ink has been spilled on him and The Trade since it happened, I think it’s pretty likely that he’s going to need a raise too. I thought $5M a year was a gamble on him at the time, but at this point, he’s a perennial 30 goal man with the potential for a lot more. And he’s still very young. That absolutely gets a huge contract if he hits UFA. $7M+ for sure.
So $7M for both isn’t out of the question, but the thing is, I don’t think that’s a lot of money in two years time. Salary inflation, plus getting rid of some bad money in Komi can easily abosorb it.
The real issue is I don’t think a Leafs team with Rick Nash and those guys in two years time is very good.
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Phaneufs contract will have a lot to do with what guys like suter end up signing for
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Nash makes 7.5 and has (what) 5 years left at that rate.He is starting to decline in the points, both goals and assists. At 19-21=40 on the year. This will cost the leafs toooo much of their youth and prospects to land him so I hope we stay away from any deal for Nash.
I am still all for Nash if the trade price is right, but wouldn’t give up half the quality it is rumored that howson is hunting for
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Carter won't cost that much and is already really good.
Also, Parise is amazing and won’t cost any assets but cap space!
#TeamParise2012
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I’d rather have carter+ cap space, he’s a centre and better defensively too
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
We should really throw in some magic beans to make that work for Columbus
We're getting sick of him, he's just shouting congress tart
Magic Beans = 1st round pick, prospect(s)
then yes.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
No, real magic beans… it’s sort of like a conditional pick in that you may be able to get all the treasure from the giant’s castle up in the clouds… or he may eat you
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless of his lower yearly cap hit, we do need to move some salary to pick him up, so one of Komi/Army/Connolly/Lombardi will likely have to be included in the deal. I’d rather Carter than Nash too….
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of Carter more than Nash, I still hate Carter’s contract. It’s good now….in 6 years? Not so much.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
If a player is full value for 5 of those 6 years, is that still a bad player in your books? Do the previous years mean nothing? I mean I get that long contracts might become headaches at some point later in the future, but do people have some kind of dividing line for contract value?
i.e. a player outperforms the value of their contract initially, then performs, then underperforms. Is that still a good contract? Or do you expect a player to sort of steadily play to what their contract is worth the whole time?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Well it’s not a deal-killer for me, just something to keep in mind.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Depends entirely on timing.
There’s a great case to be made for a strategy where you have a bunch of players all in the over-performing peak of their contracts at the same time, and try to use that to win. That consigns you to some later years of underperforming sucks from quite a few of them, but if that’s what it takes to get you over the edge you do it.
We’re not overly close to that cup winning threshold right now though.
I think it’s almost impossible to time big contracts like that. I think it’s more likely you try to position yourself to have players on entry-level deals way outperform those deals. When their contracts come up though, then the team has to make hard decisions.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I, too, and officially on Team Carter, depending on the price.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
yeah and they need to take salary back to some extent. And they aint getting Kadri.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
straight up? Yes but that’s not what they’ll want. My guess is they’ll want a goalie and defender at least, so tack that on. Plus Kadri? Nah, I’d rather see what the kid can do.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel is a top ten player in the league. He should get 7. Dion, not so much. Good, but not 7M good.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 20, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Top point-producers in the league right now, Age, Salary (instead of cap hit because some or on long-tailed contracts)
Malkin, 25, $9M
Giroux, 24, $2.75M(!!!)
Stamkos, 22, $8M
H. Sedin, 31, $6.1M
Spezza, 28, $8M
Kessel, 24, $6M
D. Sedin, 31, $6.1M
Lupul, 28, $4.25M
Datsyuk, 33, $6.7M
Hossa, 33, $7.9M
Kovalchuk, 28, $6M (weird contract, goes up to $11M next year)
Tavares, 21, 900k (ELC)
Pominville, 29, $5.5M
Neal, 24, $3.5M
Toews, 23, $6.5M
Elias, 35, $5M
Eberle, 21, 875k (ELC)
Hartnell, 29, 3.7M
Oh ya, Kessel is getting 7M+ easily.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
There’s been no indication, other than baseless speculation, that the cap will go down as a result of a new CBA.
There’s been no indication there will even be a change to any major rules under the CBA as a result of a new CBA.
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Even if it does go down, the whole concept of $7M+ will have to be re-evaluated and will mean something different as a % of the cap.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I know but I dont trust Bettman not to include a decreas because he plays hardball in new contracts and doesnt like to give in.
Cap decrease would likely include a salary rollback if it comes in the new CBA.
All those players making $7M might end up getting rolled back to $6M and 6 becomes the new 7
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
They should include a franchise player exemption or a luxury tax instead of hard cap if they decrease the cap.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck parody I want every advantage money can buy for the Leafs.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What did Mel Brooks ever do to you?
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Parity even.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you can discount cap hit though… Most of those players (other than the ones on ELC’s) have cap hits in the neighborhood of $6M. I’d be ok with Kessel getting a raise to $6M… but $7M for a forward that, while he puts up awesome numbers is awful in his own end of the rink, seems steep
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
He’ll get 7M+. He’ll be 27 and pending UFA. $6M he walks.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think his caphit will be somewhere between $6M and $7M, I doubt it’ll be north of 7
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Completely disagree, assuming he continues how he’s playing how he is for the next 2 years.
That would give him 6 straight 30 goal seasons. Ya… He’ll get more than 7M.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Way more. Hell if he hit UFA some team might throw him a Kovalchuk contract at him (depending on the CBA by then)
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not trying to compare him to Kovalchuk, I’m just talking about a lot of money on a crazy long contract to lower the cap hit. It really depends on the year he hits free agency. If there aren’t a lot of other young scoring wingers out there, he could command a ridiculous amount on the open market.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
You forgot the Bottom of that list
Scott Gomez, Old, 7.5 mil
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry but Phaneuf walks if he wants 7.8M
I know it’s bad form to talk trash about the Captain, but he still isn’t earning that 6.5M he’s currently making.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
if there’s one guy that will probably take a fair offer its Phaneuf, he’s the captain and he seems to love his role here.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
How many Norris trophies is Dion winning before his contract’s up? Because that’s the only way it even remotely makes sense to him 7+
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by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel likely gets something in the $7 million range if he keeps playing like he has so far as a Leaf. Unlikely Phaneuf gets a raise.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Just read that Burke offered Kessel in the deal
apparently Pierre McGuire tweeted that. Obviously/hopefully there’s nothing to that, or I think I’m going to be sick to my stomach
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Its a fake twitter account. Always check to see if its verified
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I didn't actually see the tweet
ESPN reported it on their rumors page, saying Pierre tweeted this. So I assumed ESPN did their research on which twitters are real or fake
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
So I assumed ESPN did their research on which twitters
lol ESPN
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why I even go on ESPN anymore
what a joke… either way glad it’s fake, figured it would never happen in a million years
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I hear there new player survey on who’s the smelliest player will somehow also have a Leaf as #1. Great work being done at ESPN.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
There is no holiday in Quebec on Friday. Concordia just has a “President’s Holiday” because it is the Friday of reading week and nothing is going on anyway. Most people have to work. But we will get it back on June 24th!
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 20, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions
That Max Domi kid is looking crazy good. I think McKegg has been playing a lot with him – I seem to recall reading a lot of his goals/assists are assists/scored by Domi.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Could be wrong but he isn’t even draft eligible this year. Shame the kid is so short
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
2013 draft
And he’s already putting up crazy numbers. I wonder if he’ll go top 10 next year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve read a few articles suggesting he’ll be a top prospect that year, not necessarily top 10 but probably a first rounder.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Jesus that 5th goal end to end rush was pretty
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nathan MacKinnon from Cole Harbour, playing for Halifax Moosehead in the Q, is 6 months younger, and a bit taller.
Domi has 42 points in 51 games.
MacKinnon has 65 in 47 games.
Two killers coming through. Go Leafs Go. I want both!
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by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
so trade for Columbus’ first next year and tank?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
He’s only 16. He was just drafted into the OHL this past season (in which he pouted and cried to get out of Kingston to go to London)
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The kid didn’t want to play for Doug Gilmour.
Fuck him,
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Meh, London is probably the best OHL team consistently. Great track record developing players.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ya that was weird.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Either way he looks like a steal of a 3rd rounder. We’ll see what he can do at the AHL level but I seem to recall him being pretty good last training camp.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s worth noting that just about everyone who gets traded away from Erie sees their point production increase. So it’s not entirely propped up by Domi.
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by Bower Power on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
yeah we’ve mentioned the epic suckitude of Erie this past year a few times. They were just awful. Even worse than Columbus awful.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ayup.. but again, every player was traded away to a contender most likely – either way it’s a stark improvement in linemates.
Ayup.. but again, every player was traded away to a contender most likely – either way it’s a stark improvement in linemates.Hey maybe it’s McKegg making Domi look good!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ayup.. but again, every player was traded away to a contender most likely – either way it’s a stark improvement in linemates.
Ayup.. but again, every player was traded away to a contender most likely – either way it’s a stark improvement in linemates.Hey maybe it’s McKegg making Domi look good!
Ayup.. but again, every player was traded away to a contender most likely – either way it’s a stark improvement in linemates.Hey maybe it’s McKegg making Domi look good! what the
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by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
For all this talk about the Jets tying the Leafs last night, the Jets are still 10th in the conference by pts%. Washington and Toronto are virtually tied for 8th (WSH has a 0.001% advantage). The Leafs have 2 games in hand on Winnipeg and Washington has 3. Tampa Bay and the Islanders each also have 3 games in hand on the Jets and are each 6 points back, meaning Winnipeg could find itself in competition with those teams as well if they go on a brief winning streak.
Long story short – Winnipeg isn’t making the playoffs, and they’re still within striking distance of the draft lottery.
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Long story short I’m still not even sold on us getting into the playoffs. Our defense has been atrocious.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
We need about 30 more points in 23 games to make the POs and I dont like our chances when we dont play up to potencial in a lot of games
so we have to go 15 – 8- 0 or something like that. I dont think that’s likely at all.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh its not impossible at all. But likely? I don’t think so. Not unless we magically pick up our play in our own end and get at least league-average goaltending.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think if they stop the turn overs we can do it. Goaltending would be better if Wilson had faith in the tenders instead of using him as he has. A tender has to have the confidence of the couch and players but this dont seem to be the case right now.
it’s kind of a cyclical argument there… for a goalie to have the confidence of the coach and players he has to play well with some consistency
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
goalies have to earn confidence. The team was bad against the Canucks, just giving the puck away several times, but Reimer really never came up with a big save when we needed it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
the Leaf goalies get plenty of chances at the couch. I think their couch confidence is pretty high actually.
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by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
12-10-1 gives us a 50% chance according to SportsClubStats
12-7-4 gives us a 92% chance
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
we rarely go to OT. I can think of several 1 goal games we just didnt get to OT, and I think those will be killer.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Arguably, the Leafs have just started their toughest stretch of hockey on the year. Road games vs. Vancouver, Chicago, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Washington, Florida, Tampa, Ottawa, Boston. They’ve already lost one, plus 4 of 5 before this stretch even began.
In addition to those tough 9 road games, all 6 home games during this year’s DEATH MARCH are against playoff teams.
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So the next 14 games may not cement the postseason for Toronto, but it could easily end all hope.
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IMO, unless the Leafs are in a really tough spot to make the playoffs.
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Im still not sure what Burke should do this trade deadline, it may have to be a buy/sell mix and just hope the team makes it. Of course a shutdown D-man would be really useful, but who knows whats available at a decent price. Hold onto that 1st rounder, if we don’t make the playoffs it will be moderately useful.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
The only teams in that list that scare me are Chicago and Boston.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. -Winston Churchill
I think it's a pile of golden horse something else -Brian Burke
We don't run this team by consensus. I don't give a rat's ass what the consensus is. -Brian Burke
**on that list
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. -Winston Churchill
I think it's a pile of golden horse something else -Brian Burke
We don't run this team by consensus. I don't give a rat's ass what the consensus is. -Brian Burke
they all scare me because we’ve already lost to Montreal and Winnipeg, it could easily happen again.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Basically
Winnipeg and Montreal’s scare factor was in the negatives going into those games but we still lost. The Leafs are terrible against good teams.
Gulp.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
We also beat Montreal twice. The Leafs have been playing like dogshit these past few weeks but I don’t think that is indicative of their talent. They CAN win most of those games, but will they? I hope so.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. -Winston Churchill
I think it's a pile of golden horse something else -Brian Burke
We don't run this team by consensus. I don't give a rat's ass what the consensus is. -Brian Burke
Oh sure we can, the question is will we. I don’t know, but this week is absolutely critical to deciding. Anything less than 2-1 will be bad news bears.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t lose to the Winnipegs of this world anymore, not with the schedule we’ve got. We’ve got to steal some points from the good teams once in a while.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
which is why I have little faith. Early on in the season we had a good enough record we just needed to beat the teams below us and a few around where we were. We’re not so lucky now, and I don’t think we’re about to go on a tear. I’d love for us to, though.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
the Sens won 6(?) games in a row earlier this season… if they can do it, why can’t we?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
We kinda need Reimer or Gustavsson to go on a tear for that to happen, and I don’t mean both of their groins either
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Never say never. 20 + games is still over a quarter of the season to go. Leafs didn’t make it last yr cause NYR, Canes and Sabres played great down the stretch. So far this year no one is taking the ball and running with it yet.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying they wont make it,just that thier chances are getting smaller and will continue to do so if they dont start playing better. The next 7 games are against teams in the POs so we need to play extra hard in these games to stop from getting too far out and getting passed by teamsunder us. The next week or two could make or break us
Now is the winter of our discontention.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
but similarly, neither are we. The reason we came even within sniffing distance last year was an amazing second half. We dont need to be as amazing this second half, but we haven’t been good enough.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Washington is still at our heels. I wouldn’t make statments like “Winnipeg isn’t making the playoffs” and have any confidence in our shot.
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huh… so Schenn’s shown a gradual improvement over the course of the season… I kind of thought he had been looking not as horrible
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
He was abysmal at the start of the year and has been returning to “normal” as the season goes on, it seems.
From a Corsi perspective anyway. Not the be-all-end-all of stats.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but at least one stat seems to reflect what I’ve been seeing.
Side note, why the hell did Wilson sit Komi on saturday? I thought he played one his best games of the year against the Oilers
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Have to sit one of Gardiner, Franson, Komisarek, Schenn each night. I think he’s trying to rotate out the worst one each game.
It’s not a perfect situation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Keith Aulie played Saturday… I would have preferred Komi to Aulie easily. Especially after Komi was such a bastard in front of the net to the Oilers on Wed. That’s been generally one of the things that have been missing is a guy that’s going to throw guys around a little bit in front of our own net
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he really did put on too much upper body muscle in the offseason – he’s speading up slowly as his playing weight drops?
Who knows.
i thought that was the issue last season. i thought he tried to work on “foot speed” this summer. or something.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that was this season and Komi was the one working on foot speed.
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by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that’s a remarkably similar pattern in the downturn of his Corsi.
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I know. Makes me worried about how he’s going to end off the season if the pattern continues.
Maybe too many minutes? It’s very possible he’s not the workhorse that Wilson is making him out to be.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Stalberg. 8 of his 16 goals against Columbus. Wow.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions
"We don’t talk before games about exchanging [scoring] chances, if that is what you are inferring," Phaneuf continued, taking some umbrage with the question. "But to be completely honest with you, we talk about being a real good defensive team. And when we have success offensively, it’s because we’re good in our own end."
Uh…..what team has been Phaneuf watching these past few weeks?
in early january when Gus had a string of great games they were really good defensively. it all fell apart when….well when Reimer came back I guess.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 20, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think “good defensive team” means what Phaneuf thinks it means.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I cant believe Dion Phaneuf actually used the word inferring properly
Cynically Sarcastic
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The reporter misheard him. He actually said " afiggerin’ ".
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t. The word he meant was ‘implying’.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for English.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 20, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You can use infer in the place of imply, it’s just not scholarly.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Feb 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Guess who's back? Back again. Gunnar's back. Tell a friend.
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#Leafs assign D Keith Aulie to the @TorontoMarlies of the AHL.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Yes.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yay now we have 3 fairly solid d-men, and 3 moderate to horrible d-men. (defensively speaking at least)
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
thank god, without Gunnarson we were absolutely atrocious defensively.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes but you cant survive if noone picks up the ball when you are unavailable. This would make you think you are worth 7M a year. We are supposed to have a good defence core not a one man show
I think it’s less that we’re a 1 man show and more that Gunnar’s style of play allows whoever he’s playing with to be more aggressive… which is something that’s needed on a team with Phaneuf
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, that’s basically it. He’s the guy that doesnt jump up on the rush and take dangerous chances without backup. He’ll let the other defender do it most of the time.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Its still up to our captain to make sure we are covering those who we are supposed to. This has not happened and too many turnovers trying to get out of our zone
Personally, I tend to think that more of the blame for the turnovers hangs more on the forwards not providing support rather than on the d-men… but I think that’s just my opinion… which could be wrong
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problem with the forwards on the break out is what leads to the Leafs struggles against trapping teams. It always seems to me that all the forwards take off towards the offensive zone as soon as a d-man has the puck, trying to create odd man rushes. Problem being that if the other team is trapping and/or effectively forechecking, the d-man has no where to go with the puck
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
we turn over the puck alot on breakouts, then our D get caught flat footed.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
not sure how Phaneuf can prevent other players from turning over the puck, especialyl when he’s on the bench.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
If he could somehow turn the music up to 12 maybe?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
well once you reach 10 where do you go? I mean, you’re at the peak. We need a dressing room boombox that goes to 11.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Well its not a one man show but Gunnarson is better than pretty much all our other defenders in his own zone, at least. He’s an RFA at the end of next season, so there’s plenty of time. Really, it’s a great advantage for us.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I’m almost as happy Aulie’s in the minors as I am that Gunnar’s back.
Except… wait. Wasn’t Gunnar out with a high ankle sprain? I hope he’s not coming back too early.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
Apparently he seemed ready to go earlier than this but he couldn’t come back for a week due to IR restrictions.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Watch this video of Rob Gronkowski getting injured by Bernard Pollard. That’s what a high ankle sprain looks like.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Hey we’re on the big screen, GIVE ME A CHEST BUMP
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I spent the first period chirping the hell out of Keith Aulie, when he gave the puck away for the first goal I lost it
Keith Aulie may be an okay defenseman some day but for now fuck that guy
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The most remarkable thing about Gunnarsson standing on the blue line is that it’s Gunnarsson, and that he’s standing on the blue line.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More Charts? More Charts
I’m trying to separate out the offensive portions of Corsi/Fenwick (i.e. shots taken towards the opposition net) from the defensive portions (i.e. shots taken towards the Leafs net) and see how Leafs stack up against each other.
Would love feedback on usefulness/missed assumptions/misleading/unimportant
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Leafs Forwards Corsi+ (offensive) and Corsi- (defensive)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs Defense Corsi+ (offensive) and Corsi- (defensive)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
IMO
Schenn has been getting overpenalized for his play from a Corsi perspective.
His lack of offense has made him look worse than he probably is.
And Phaneuf’s greater offensive ability has overshadowed his declining defensive prowess from a Corsi perspective.
He’s currently the worst defender of the 3 from a Corsi- perspective. (using 10 game moving averages)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
which is why we need an actual shutdown guy to free up Phaneuf to face not quite as tough competition.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
The other interesting thing is that pretty much the entire defense has been getting worse as the season goes along.
I haven’t done them for Franson/Gardiner/Komisarek yet either. Thought I’d just see what these 3 looked like and whether or not this was a useful way to look at it first.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
it isn’t interesting, it’s been extremely evident watching games this past few weeks.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
well i guess it is interesting even if it hurts.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Big issues you’re leaving out of these charts: TOI/60 and QoC
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I think QoC has it’s own flaws and I don’t really use it.
TOI yes, agreed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
well, QoC Corsi or Rel Corsi, obviously.
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I still think it has too many flaws that I don’t like analyzing it.
Also, it’s too hard to get on a game-by-game basis using simple excel tools.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t my point. You’re posting these charts without context.
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Alright. I still think it can be useful without eliminating every single possible variable.
Even if I add TOI/60, QoC, etc. it’ll then be score effects that limit it’s use.
Then only using road data to eliminate for home field bias.
By the time I eliminate and adjust for everything i hardly understand what I’m even looking at. And every elimination has it’s own assumptions underlying it too.
I do appreciate the feedback, I just don’t agree with overadjusting for things.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying you need to factor those into your charts. I’m saying you need to factor those in when you reach your conclusions like:
Schenn has been getting overpenalized for his play from a Corsi perspective.
His lack of offense has made him look worse than he probably is.
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I think the implied assumption was that “based upon this statistic and the information it provides”
There are certainly other statistics that show an opposite conclusion.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ah got it.
Ya it’s not a strong thesis. Just my off-the-top-of-my-head reflections at first glance.
Not so sure the 2nd one is untrue though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn plays significantly less time per game against significantly weaker competition with significantly better teammates. The chart above suggests there isn’t a huge difference between the three players until the last 10 games or so, but when you factor in the context of their situational surroundings, there’s a huge difference.
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That’s actually really interesting, and I think reflects the Conventional wisdom on all 3.
Kessel is awesome offensively, but horrible defensively. Grabovski is good in both ends, and (at least this season) Kulemin isn’t great in the offensive zone, but is awesome defensively
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
The forwards generally were in line with what the eyes see. The defensive figures were more interesting.
I think Schenn is getting shit on worse than he deserves and Phaneuf is getting too much praise as it currently stands.
Remember, all these stats are at ES only.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, of the 3 d-men you looked at, Schenn’s defensive trend stays the most consistent, it seems to be his offensive performance that’s really the variable for him (at least with this statistic)
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Grabovski celebrate 10 year anniversary
Of greatest Belarus hockey moment today
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Whoa, Toskala 1.0??
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’m all in for Jeff Carter if he costs the same or less than he did in the summer (young roster player + 1st).
Yes, his contract length is 10 years. Even if the CBA goes down this summer due to a change in the NHL/PA revenue split, league wide revenues continue to climb. That means the CBA should go back up and continue to climb. The cap could be anywhere from $70 million – $80 million in 10 years. $5.3 million cap hit for a 35 year old C, when the cap is that high, isn’t a serious burden.
It also leaves Toronto with some wiggle room to add another solid player over the summer or in the future.
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add another solid player over the summer or in the future
PARRRRRRRRRRISSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE
The cap could be anywhere from $70 million – $80 million in 10 years. $5.3 million cap hit for a 35 year old C, when the cap is that high, isn’t a serious burden.
Especially when if worse comes to worse, he can play in the AHL!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
That might actually be one
Of the changes to the CBA
by scott tubbesing on Feb 20, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
man, you set yourself up so hard for Richards and now you are doing the same thing for Parise
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Think of the return we’ll get when we trade him after the Cup sell-off!
by 9 Dollar Beer on Feb 20, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Aye… kind of like when Rick Nash came up for UFA before… it is going to figuratively kill me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to give up the 1st. If we don’t make the playoffs, it will be a half decent pick and we cant just give them away like candy. Yeah you don’t draft your way to the top necessarily, but I don’t want to move it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
No first, third and fourth would make for a very boring draft
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
and you need to keep putting prospects into the system regardless. I hope Burke holds onto that first.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to give up the 1st, but I’d do something like Kadri + Franson + some kind of salary dump like Colby or Komi to make the money work.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
meh, rather hold onto Kadri and Franson.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul?
I likely missed something as I tend to take a step back from coverage after an ugly loss, but all the usual suspects are tweeting that he’s not on the ice for practice.
What gives?
Seems like he’s been icing his ankle since the Vancouver game. Could just be a maintenance day. Wouldn’t freak out just yet.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I twisted my ankle at work on Saturday too. Lupul and I are twins.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I figured it was some sort of injury but didn’t catch it during the game…and I avoided post-game coverage.
It’s my own fault really…
Last Corsi thing while I'm still looking at it - at a team level
Looking at both the FOR and AGAINST detail:
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Or more simplified
Looking at just the DIFFERENTIAL (FOR-AGAINST):
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Either way
There has been improvement in just about every area (Except shot blocking and goaltending), which is good news.
Also I’m not sure why TimeonIce is only running aggregated data through game 56 (and not 59) but for some reason it’s not.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what most of this means
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Something about some guy named Corsi who has a butler named Fenwick who measures his qoc.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Essentially it means (all at even strength only):
Goals (2 columns): Goals scored / Goals against
Saved Shots (2 columns): Shots that make it to the goalie but are saved / Shots against that make it to the goalie but are saved
Missed Shots (2 columns): Shots that miss the net / Shots against that miss the net
Blocked shots (2 columns): Shots by Leafs that are blocked by opponenets / Shots by opponents that are blocked by Leafs
Fenwick%: (Leafs goals + Leafs saved shots + Leafs Missed shots) / (All goals + all saved shots + all missed shots)
Corsi%: (Leafs goals + Leafs saved shots + Leafs Missed shots + Leafs blocked shots) / (All goals + all saved shots + all missed shots + all blocked shots)
Higher percentage is better.
In terms of possession, it means Leafs are directing more shots towards the opposition net than the opponents are at the Leafs net, and approximately suggests that the Leafs are controlling x% of play.
Teams that possess the puck more often than their opponents tend to win more often over the long-term, and can be used as a future predictor of team success.
Just like any predictive measure, it has its flaws and assumptions.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
it means Leafs are directingmoreless shots towards the opposition net than the opponents are at the Leafs net
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Neat idea. Just shared this post on Twitter.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ty "0.878 with the Red Wings" Conklin is on waivers
THERE’S OUR SAVIOUR GOALIE
No no, dig UP stupid.
isn’t it worth alteast considering?, he hasn’t been terrible in years previous to this
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by CameronSorley on Feb 20, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
No. He has been awful. He’s been playing with the Red Wings who are on a 23 game home win streak, but has still been awful.
No.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Uh, except for his year immediately previous to this. Oh, and years 5 and 6 immediately to this. And 3 years previous to this wasn’t great, either.
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by Bower Power on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
alright, fair enough, just figured some might think he’s that “veteran” back up we need
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by CameronSorley on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing says “veteran” like 108 NHL GP. Reimer can say “you’ve barely played 40 more games than I have – do you have any advice?”
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by Bower Power on Feb 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He got ousted by Joey MacDonald.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
who has been pretty decent… he’ll never be anything other than a back-up, but he’s at least a pretty good back-up
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
MacDonald has had a good run as a solid backup, him and Clemmenson.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
i would would consider hiring that guy Joey from Rent a Goalie before that. I played with him, he’s pretty good and he’s only 25 bucks for an hour of ice time and he’ll stay on extra without charging if he doesn’t have another appointment because he loves to play.
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Release the Frattin.
how many points did we have last year at this time?
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where are all the stat geeks? anyone?
by power-forward on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
hooray we are slightly better than last year!
by power-forward on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If we had gone 3-3 instead of 1-5 it would look slightly better
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Against teams we should have beaten, no less.
Lost to Winnipeg, now they’re nipping at our heels. Lost to Montreal, now the media is still convinced the Habs may have a shot at the playoffs. Lost to Calgary, same deal as the Habs though closer to the playoffs.
Tough losses to swallow.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
let it never be said this team didnt have a real chance at the playoffs. We control(led) our own destiny.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
and we said “No thanks… we’re not so sure we like being in control… why don’t you guys have it”
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
So I traded Ovechkin for a starting goalie
Now I need a top C pretty bad. Backes has been pretty good but after him I’ve only got Kelly(slumping), Smith(slumping), Johansson(meh), Horcoff(Oiler), and Stoll(Kings).
I see there’s a guy in my league with Henrik Sedin, Joe Thornton, Anze Kopitar and Patrice Bergeron on his team which is absolutely ridiculous. But his defense is Brian Campbell, Dan Boyle and then a whole lot of crap.
I’ve got Edler, Phaneuf, Weber, Enstrom, Fowler, Giordano… I was thinking of packaging one of these guys with something else to try and get Kopitar or Thornton from this guy. Any idea what it would take?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions
Niskanen, Gardiner, and Kulikov(IR) are my other D
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
why so many D?
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It’s a deep league, I even forgot to mention Boychuck. I’ve also got 5 guys on IR so my team is a little bloated with replacements.
I’m about to offer Edler + 3rd for Kopitar + 6th. Edler puts up less points overall but similar PPP and Shots while getting way more Hits and Blocks.
Thoughts on this? Is it too much? Not enough?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
depends on how much you want them points because he’s much more valuable in all other categories.
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Well
Here’s my performance in the various categories:
Goals – 10-5-3 (Kopitar wins)
Assists – 8-9-1 (Wash)
Points – 10-8 (Kopitar wins)
Plus/Minus – 1-16-1 (Wash)
PPP – 12-6-0 (Wash)
SHP – 7-4-7 (Wash)
GWG – 4-12-2 (Wash, though Kopitar should win)
SOG – 14-3-1 (Basically a wash)
Faceoffs Won – 6-12 (Kopitar wins)
Hits – 16-2 (Edler wins)
Blocks – 15-3 (Edler wins)
Note that my 1-16-1 in Plus/Minus is appropriate, I’m -80 on the season (person directly above me is -8 for reference).
Okay so Kopitar gets me Goals, Points, and Faceoffs while Edler gets me Hits and Blocks. Looking at those records I’ve done pretty well in hits and blocks this year but very poorly in Faceoffs won. If I lost Edler I could conceivably still win Blocks most weeks, though losing Ovechkin and Edler will hurt me a bit in hits.
In theory Kopitar would get me an increase in categories I need while not really taking anything away from my team because I’m already so good at winning the hits and blocks categories. I think I like the idea but I haven’t completely sold myself on it.
Do you think Edler + 3rd for Kopitar + 5th would do it?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I could also try for Joe Thornton but I have a feeling he’d be more reluctant to give him up. Similar stats this year though, slightly more assists than goals for big Joe.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
maybe, you’re deep on D so if you target a centre I think Thornton has less value in most players eyes’ this year than Kopitar.
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Probably true. Still trying for Kopitar though, if I have to “settle” for Thornton then I’ll take that too. Anything’s better than Backes + warm bodies while Crosby is recovering
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually with the way the league is set up it would have to be Kopitar + 5th.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
is there a PPP league? if not maybe that’s something to lok into for next year
Lebda still gives me nightmares
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There is
and I may, but for now this one I’m in is just with coworkers
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha, I’m gonna have to get the info on that for next year if there’s open spots…but hope you’re kicking your coworkers asses!
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
I'm 8th out of 12
Mostly due to losing goaltending categories most weeks. Now that I’ve got another decent goalie that may change but it’s probably too late :(
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Of course that’s the case, being a Leafs fan, I’d expect that from your team ;)
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Haha
Yeah, no legitimate first line center on my team right now either, just like the Leafs. I’m trying to fix that problem but I’m not sure if I should do it.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
monday afternoon game in Ottawa? Why? Federal public servants don’t get the day off.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It seems NY Islander players do get the day off though.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting observation
I was looking through my stats and through Friday’s games the following are the Leafs with the best 5v5close zone start adjusted GA/20.
Dupuis 0.149
Steckel 0.232
Brown 0.376
Frattin 0.448
Aulie 0.524
Kadri 0.552
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Kessel 1.164
Bozak 1.177
Lupul 1.269
Interestingly with today’s demotion of Aulie 4 of the top 6 now play for the Marlies.
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adjusting for zone starts may be overfitting? chances are those guys are almost never going to get d-zone starts
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 20, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
What about GF/20, it might fight the narrative that Wilson/Burke care more about offence and not defensive contributions.
Worst GF20 in 5v5close zone adjusted situations.
Dupuis 0.00
Brown 0.250
Steckel 0.387
Liles 0.683
Komisarek 0.715
Frattin 0.717
Aulie is 4th best at 1.224 and Kadri is 7th best at 1.104.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
When Dupuis, Aulie, and Brown are in the top 5 in a statistical category… I just go ahead and ignore that stat…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, apparently Ron Wilson ignores goals against too.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Or… and hear me out on this… this stat really emphasizes 4th liners… who aren’t exactly going to win a lot of games for us
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it favours players who actually try to inhibit the opposition from scoring goals which is usually what the coach asks the third and fourth liners to do.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
My point was, this stat doesn’t really tell us anything we don’t already know, though I guess it’s nice to know that our 4th line is pretty decent at doing its job.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose. We could look at GF%.
Aulie 0.700
Kadri 0.667
Gardiner 0.652
Steckel 0.625
Frattin 0.615
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Lombardi 0.476
Komisarek 0.471
Liles 0.462
Brown 0.400
Dupuis 0.000
3 of the top 5 are Marlies.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
But what in Aulie’s play in any game this season makes you think he’s earned a spot on the team? He’s been brutal.
I’d love to have Frattin and Kadri up, but unless we can unload 2 of Armstrong, Lombardi, Bozak, and Connolly, it’s not going to happen… and even if it were possible, the only 1 of those 4 Frattin/Kadri might really be better than is Armstrong (Lombardi is close, but I still think he maybe worth keeping around in order to give him a full training camp to actually prepare for the season)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not moving Bozak, I doubt Connolly goes but maybe Lombardi. Army…..maybe for future considerations.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
But what in Aulie’s play in any game this season makes you think he’s earned a spot on the team?
Well, in 489:27 career 5v5close minutes he has been on the ice for 23 goals for and just 12 goals against.
Is he just lucky? Maybe. Maybe not. But with results like that I think he deserves to continue to prove whether it was luck or not.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
what the stats don’t seem to reflect are his infuriating turnovers and snail-like skating ability.
In all seriousness I wish there was a stat that better reflected turnovers etc.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
He can turn over the puck 1000 times for all I care, so long as he isn’t giving up goals, which so far, he seemingly is not.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
He did on Saturday, off of a very stupid play
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Karlsson ca turn the puck over 1000 times for all I care, so long as he keeps stealing it back 900 times
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
his skating is snail like. I remember in the Vancouver game he turned it over at their blue line and as soon as I saw it was him in a race against another player, I knew we were fucked. He couldn’t even skate fast enough to take out the guys stick. And into the net it went.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
he won’t be around much longer…Dallas Eakins will be the coach in October
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs miss the playoffs, sure
If they make it my bet is Burke keeps Wilson around
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
if they get swept on this 4 game homestand..Wilson doesn’t make it to March
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell would the point be in firing Wilson now? So Eakins could teach a new system to the players who will all leave for the summer and may or may not be coming back?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah if there is a coaching change it will be in the summer
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but you won’t make any money on that wager..with the odds being about 2-7 lol
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t. Mirtle has reported Aulie’s low GA while on ice is one of the primary reasons Wilson uses him on the 1st pair.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
The first line is bad at playing defense. Water is wet.
Little surprised that Dupuis is so high up that list but when you have 0 points almost halfway through the season you aren’t really carrying your weight.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Dupuis sucks…what is wrong with bringing Zigomanis back?
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
There's no point
Steckel is as good or better on faceoffs and is playing pretty well defensively
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Zigomanis leads the AHL’s top PK unit…and led the NHL’s top PK unit for the 8 games he was here for last season
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Our 4th line is not the problem. Zigomanis doesn’t add anything to Brown-Steckel-Crabb/Boyce/Armstrong.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
exactly, our 4th line is usually one of the only ones out there trying to get something done on a consistent basis outside the 1st line (which can get shut down)
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
leads
Key word there.
The whole reason he stays in the AHL, and makes $250K in the AHL, is to be a leader and mentor to all of the prospects on the Marlies.
Mike Zigomanis isn’t the difference between the Leafs winning and losing the Cup. He’s an investment in the future of the organization.
Cynically Sarcastic
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I am not entirely against bringing Dupuis back.
After Frattin ,Kadri and Colbourne of course.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’d definitely be trading some guys (Bozak, Lombardi, Armstrong) to make room for Frattin, Kadri and Colborne.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know why we haven’t done it yet, except for Bozak there is no way he moves without someone to take his spot. He’s been a solid fill-in centre there.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
- centre only…possibly #2..if Grabbo was moved to the top line
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see this lineup:
Kessel-Grabovski-Lupul
MacArthur-Connolly-Kulemin
Frattin-Colborne-Kadri
Brown-Steckel-Boyce/Crabb/Armstrong
Or you could swap Kadri and Kulemin.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Except for his goal in Edmonton Connolly has been pretty invisible. I’m not sure that merits bumping him up to the 2nd line. Also, Bozak at this point is better than Colborne, I’m not sure why he’s just been sacrificed for this line-up
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a fan of Bozak. He is horrible defensively and not good enough offensively to be a #1 center. Mostly though I want more defensive presence from my centers and that isn’t Bozak. I don’t know if that is Colborne but he has earned the right to be given a chance. Plus right now Bozak might have the highest trade value he may ever have.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is, behind Grabbo he is our best centre. Last time Grabbo was with Loops and Kessel they weren’t great – they all want the puck.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Plus Connolly has been kind of a waste of space for a good part of the season
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel with Bozak: 1.283 GF20 in 467:45 5v5 zone start adjusted ice time
Kessel with Connolly: 1.064 in 169:08
Kessel with Grabovski: 2.415 in 49:41
Kessel with Lombardi: 1.719 in 58:10
Last year:
Kessel with Grabovski: 1.699 in 141:16
Kessel without Grabovski: 0.654 in 948:33
Grabovski without Kessel: 1.074 in 912:54
There is no evidence that Grabovski can’t play with Kessel and make each other better.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the times though. You can’t seriously believe that Kessel’s GF will double (or more than double last year) playing with Grabbo
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was responding to “Last time Grabbo was with Loops and Kessel they weren’t great – they all want the puck.” which is simply not true. Yes, the sample size is small it provides no evidence they can’t work well together.
This is a team on the verge of falling out of a playoff spot. This is a team that is dreadful defensively, especially the first line. This is a team that can’t compete with most of the playoff teams in front of them. I don’t think “lets keep doing what we have been doing” is the answer to anything except early spring tee times. Lets try something different.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 20, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
BB wants Colborne to get another 50 or so games…especially PO’s in the AHL..before he is up here for good…remember this kid hasn’t stopped growing yet…he is and will be a stud
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know about that, we’ll see. I think they are keeping them down to go on a Calder cup run, but fuck, if its going to improve our NHL team to have Frattin here fuck the Marlies. We come first.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul-Connolly-Kessel
MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin
Kadri-Bozak-Frattin
Brown-Lombardi-Armstrong
I think these are our best 12 forwards.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Great so we’ll win 45% of faceoffs. Gotta be Steckel’in, he’s under appreciated in most parts.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
And I shudder to look at a $7M+ 4th line…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not that I don’t appreciate Steckel, I just prefer Lombardi’s speed on what would be a checking line that could chip in some goals.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi is pillow soft though, not a good 4th liner.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d get rid of Connolly, put Grabbo in his place and slot Bozak back up top. He’s been the best centre we have with that Lupul/Kessel pairing
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak isn’t going anywhere…Burke doesn’t like to admit mistakes…except for Beauchemin last year…not that I am calling Bozak a mistake..I think he was in over his head last season…he is NOT a #1 centre…..I can see Connolly being moved in exchange for someone else’s albatross contract expiring this season
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak is a perfectly adequate 3rd line center. We’ve been asking way too much of him for way too long. This is why I’m on Team Carter or Getzlaf.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Beauchemin wasn’t a mistake… he was actually pretty good…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say Burke was admitting Beauchemin was a mistake. He just saw a chance to make a kickass trade, and did.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
I make that deal 10 times out of 10. Would I love Beauch now? yes. But I also know we’re sniffing the playoffs in large part because of Lupul and Kessel doing so well together.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
so
Burke doesn’t like to admit mistakes
So he won’t move Bozak
but he will move Connolly?
He also moved Versteeg, Beauchemin, sent down Dupuis, waived Hanson, buried Irwin after one viewing, traded Giguere etc..
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
colton orr
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
that one took him a while, but he got there eventually
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Moved Lebda. “No, I can’t trade Lebda – it’d be admitting a mistake!”
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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I’d venture to think he won’t waive poor players else he risks UFA talent avoiding to sign with the leafs. But why Richards ignores that Redden is in AHL makes me question just how much players look at that.
Rec’d for factiness.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Though I’d clarify that signing Beauchemin wasn’t a mistake; he played his role very well, but when it became clear that the Leafs needed to retool he was traded for a great young prospect while his value was high.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
i have no problem with the beach trade.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dupuis is pretty useless… Nothing personal against the guy but he’s sort of dead weight
Lebda still gives me nightmares
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He plays smart.
And since Eakins has been letting him do his own thing with the Marlies, I haven’t been hating his play.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. I hope he enjoys the rest of the year there, because he sucked up here.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
No other team in the League at the time,was hurt more in the first expansion and then the advent of the WHA,than the Leafs…especially when you consider what they lost when the WHA came into being…their #1 defense pairing(Rick Ley-Brad Selwood)their Captain(Dave Keon)..young core players(Mike Walton..Britt Selby..Brian Spencer..) veteran leadership( Henderson) etc…there are others as well..I just can’t remember them right now
Bernie Parent.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
thank you…I was going to post Bruce Gamble…but wasn’t he done before ’72?
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we traded Bruce for Bernie in ’71.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Quite welcome.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Washington losing a bunch and not passing Toronto while we were also losing doesn’t count as a break? I think the Leafs are lucky as hell to be anywhere near a playoff spot and have been getting all the help we could ask for!!
as much as you and everyone else on this site might consider it blasphemy…we aint catching Ottawa and we want them in the playoffs(although..only if the Leafs are there too)…fuck what the Americans think or say…it is good for the league to have as many Canadian teams in the playoffs as possible
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Counterpoint: Gloating Sens fans…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
after the way the Leafs have handled them…and the season the sens had lastb year…let em gloat
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hope they make the playoffs and we get to play them. I’m actually confident we would beat them in a series
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
I’d love if we could play them in the playoffs too… since the only possible way that’d happen is if it were the conference finals
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
the #1 or #2 seed would have to be upset. and then…nah won’t happen. a man can dream though!
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
If we’re in 8th and they’re in 7th we’d have to both upset the top 2 seeds, then upset whoever wins the 3/6 and the 4/5 match-ups.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know, one of us would somehow have to get to the 5 seed, while the other would have to get 8th. So still the 1 seed would need to be upset in this scenario. So yeah not going to happen, but it would be nice!
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
the Habs beat the #1 caps a few years back so anything’s possible I suppose
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
We aren’t catching Ottawa? If we aren’t catching them, than we are in a lot of trouble as they are the closest team to us (the others are a fair bit ahead). And in all honesty we had as large a lead on them 2 weeks ago as they have on us now.
And in regards to the rest of your comment, I can’t stand that jingoistic nonsense. Fuck the Sens I couldn’t care less whether they played in a Canadian city.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
960 Calgary says we are getting Khabibulin…..injured or not…..remember this is Calgary saying this….I have lived in several countries and several Canadian cities in my almost 53 years…I have never encountered such an out of whack media anywhere else…and one of the counties I lived in was Russia..so that says something
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
any sources? or are you bullshitting?
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
read the post again Tann…it was said on Calgary radio960…which means there may be 5% truth in it…that the Leafs were interested
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Russia county? Is that in Alaska by Palin’s house?
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Damn kids and your “statutory holidays” BLEH I SAY
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I know,eh? expecting an important letter from back East…would have been here today…but on the flipside…an afternoon at the zoo to see the new penguins with my step daughter
by wayne scarlett on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I f I can figure out how to do it without having to ask my 10 year old…I will post a picture later..of the new penguins at Calgary Zoo…cute little buggers.
my wife is crazy about penguins and we have family in Calgary. Will absolutely be going soon.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of impression has Cody Franson made on you guys? Been awhile since I checked in around here.
Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
Pretty much came as billed. Good offensive options, love his ability to keep the puck in at the blueline, “okay” but nothing to write home about in his own zone. I’d love to have him as an accessory to a good core D, but instead we’ve got him on the Leafs’ D. I think if he can pick up the defensive-zone play a little bit, it’s exactly what you want in a second pairing guy.
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Me on Twitter
Yeah, that’s what I predicted when he left here.
We love Br…oh.
Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."
by Chris Burton on Feb 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Robert Slaney is exactly what made the whole Hal Gill trade work, right?
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Me on Twitter
Yes, he’s great at keeping the puck in the O-zone.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Still young, but a great #5/6 guy who can get PP time and has a real knack for getting shots through.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
What does everyone think of Cory Schneider?
could be a nice addition, I’m not sure what the canucks would want for him but he’s still young and is playing very wel
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
That's the problem
but if we think he could be our #1 for years to come, that’s a move we should make, after all finding a consistent #1 has been a problem for years now
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Price would be steep, he isn’t much more “proven” than Reimer is at this point, and BC sucks.
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Me on Twitter
Pretty much the asking price is likely too high and I dont think Burke would pay for it.
Not sure we have anything VAN really needs to go over the top anyway.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
the only thing I can think of is a cheap Luke schenn for depth (and the future) and they wont get that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Brad Ross @bross1818
apparently the #whl thinks hits like this youtube.com/watch?v=OMlDQt… are acceptable. hmm wonder how many games i would have got.. #whatsnew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlDQtg0hRQ
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You do not touch him !
YOU BASTARDS!!!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love him calling out the league for not handing out a suspension on bullshit like that..
It’d get a player in trouble, but I’d like to start seeing NHL players doing this when they get hit like that
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I “love it” in one sense, in another it sounds like he’ll be needing some on to teach him better twitter PR training if he wants to last long in the pros.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh absolutely he’ll need some PR training… but wouldn’t the league be so much more interesting if players would actually say things like “hey that’s bullshit that some dude elbowed me in the head and didn’t get suspended”
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
eh fuck it, he gets reputation calls almost every single game where he has done not a damned thing then someone throws a blatant head shot elbow at him and gets nothing, he has every right to vent, it’s not like he went on tearing into the refs using harsh language etc
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’m suprised by how crappy Lombardi looks defensively.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
#ClearTheFuckingPuck
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
oh my god that was so frustating. I saw that goal coming a mile away once he didn’t clear it. It was 2011 all over again.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about you, but i had simultaneously vomited blood and had an aneurysm.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
if I counted the number of times Lombardi blows wide on a defender and shoots it right into the goalie’s chest it would go past both hands.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Good call. let me check against last years. or maybe by month. well see.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
You are not who I wanted to reply to.
Fuck it. Close enough.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
aaah Dupuis… I just don’t see this when he actually plays, but these stats are confusing
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Players that were cut of because of games played minimum.
Kadri – .945
Armstrong – .897
Colborne – .906
Aulie – .915
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
And i didn’t know Lupul and Kessel were that bad defensively.
Lombardi I get.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear: On ice SVP isn’t a strong indicator of defensive play. It’s a strong indicator of luck.
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Over the course of a season, it will give some indication.
I admit it needs to be adjusted for QOC and time on ice.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Over the course of a season, it will give some indication.
No, it won’t. At least, I’m pretty sure it won’t, because it’s why On Ice SVP + On Ice S% = PDO =~ luck (at the individual level). Over the course of a season, it, along with your shooting percentage, will trend towards 1000. If you can influence on ice SVP, PDO stops being a decent measure of luck, and has some skill associated with it.
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Me on Twitter
Shea Weber had a worse on ice SV% than Cody Franson last season. Not a good indicator of defensive skill.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
some indication
Not concrete prediction of the future.
It is a statistic, something I take a look at and go “huh hows about that”
If you look below, Lebda is at the bottom.
That is somewhat realistic.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
So how do you decide that Lebda’s is realistic and Weber’s isn’t?
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Me on Twitter
Last seasons stats. for your viewing (dis)pleasure
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Most frustrating thing about the 2011-2012 Toronto Maple Leafs, by far:
Can’t clear the fucking zone. This is the bane of my (and apparently, their) existence. How hard can it be?
RE-SIGN GRABBO
I know man...
It’s not that tough, and it’s something you learn in peewee hockey or whatever. The fact that it hasn’t seemed to really improve throughout the season says a lot about either the coaching, or the learning ability of some of the players
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
It’s got to be a flawed team philosophy.
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"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
William of Nassau am I, of Dutch blood. Loyal to the fatherland I will remain until I die.
one that has existed for roughly 4 years.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 20, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
HelloGoodbye Ron Wilson
sounds much better, doesn’t it?
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
Marlies beat Lake Erie 4-1
Yay Marlies! :)
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Who was on the scoreboard?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry D’Amigo had 2 goals 1 assist…Ryan Hamilton and Greg Scott also scored…
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
sweet. D’Amigo is looking like he might make a useful 3rd liner, versatile but able to score a little bit too.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
What’s worrying me is that Kadri’s AHL production has dropped off. He’s at 25 points in 31 GP overall on the year, and he’s at 3 points in 9 games played since his second demotion. It must be messing with his head.
Maybe Kadri will never live up to his potential, but if he doesn’t, the Leafs’ mismanagement of his development will be a major reason.
Still, he’s not helping himself. If he keeps playing like this, Colborne (6pts in his last 9 GP) or Frattin (7 in 9) will certainly get the next callup ahead of him.
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri seems to be fueled by his ego.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I can see him getting traded at the deadline, and I honestly wouldn’t mind it.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
depends on who we get for him. Could be a big mistake, or could be a great deal
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
I think people are giving up on his when he still has so much potential. He gets better every time we call him up and he’s on par with many of his fellow draftees. I’d rather wait for the UFA market and see who we can pick up there rather than trade away top prospects, to be honest. I don’t think a top centreman will help us get to the playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Firing Wilson and picking up Nabokov could get us into the playoffs. But why bother, just to get creamed in teh first round, and lose a 2nd round pick + whatever to get Nabokov.
As long as Burke doesn’t deal away our 1st round pick again, I’m fine with seeing this year as another rebuild year. There are no shortcuts.
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the thing though. He has SO MUCH potential, but it hasn’t really translated to the NHL level YET. Now he could become great, but he also could be a bust. This is why trading him could be great, or it could turn out to be a massive mistake.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Very true.
Also, roof pizza. He can come too.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m serious, this roof pizza idea has potential! I mean it’s gonna happen. And now whenever a Leaf scored a goal top shelf, he’s getting an official invite to roof pizza. It starts tomorrow, and you’ll see, if we score any top shelf there WILL be a comment about roof pizza. And it seems fitting that Gardiner or Brown will score first tomorrow.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Roof pizza? What did I miss?
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Go down to the What Happens Now? post (I think it’s called that) and read near the bottom of the comments. When you see a picture of Mike Brown you’re in the right area. I think you’ll be pleased, and suddenly hungry.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
I wouldn’t bother asking the guy to bring us down, I’d tell him to bring the pizza up. Having pizza on the roof suddenly sounds like a fun thing to do. lol…
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Sure, we can all figure out the small details, but the basic idea is something special no doubt. Hopefully Ron Wilson hears of this and uses it as motivation. “Hey guys want some roof pizza? go top cheddar tonight”
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Some pizza company should offer free pizzas when a Leaf goes top shelf. Free pizza every night!
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
You had me at “some pizza”
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
with his lacklustre play lately, I wouldn’t want Burke to get lowballed.
This whole rebuild on the fly thing was ill-conceived from the beginning, and Kadri is one of the primary victims. Instead of a couple of years like Edmonton where we suck but the kids get a chance to play without a demotion hanging over their head every time they make a mistake, we’re promoting them before they’re ready because we need help with scoring. Then we’re dumping them in the minors again because of a logjam on the roster.
Soon enough, Frattin or Colbourne will be back up again to fill in for an injury. And again, both will be terrified of mistakes and becoming healthy scratches or demotions. Etc, etc.
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
the demotion hanging over their head isn’t the problem, it’s that their spots are being taken by mediocre players. If we had a legit contender and the kids faced demotion, no big deal. Instead we get the Lombardis and Army’s and Crabb’s of the world taking their spot.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well said, I agree.
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Edmonton's rebuild is going super well
In all seriousness, as has been pointed out before, we’ve built this team on young recent 1st round picks (Phaneuf, Kessel, soon Kadri, Schenn)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
People mistake confidence for an ego. I don’t think he’s egotistical. he hardly complained about being sent down this second time, even though it was well know and self-admittedly because he was waiver exempt, even though he was arguably better than a few other guys on the team.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the only reason Kadri’s not on the Leafs roster at this point is waivers. He’ll be on the opening day roster next year if he isn’t traded first.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
No one. Don’t ask me why we didn’t do it. I have no idea.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, unless Burke gets a hard-on for a shiny new prospect (maybe whoever our 1st pick is, or McKegg makes a splash in camp, whatever).
Then a minjor injury to Kadri in practice will see him stuffed back into the minors. And called up when the leafs are in a scoring slump. And so on…
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
McKegg will play on the Marlies next year, undoubtedly.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Like Frattin was supposed to?
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Like he is?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I’m sure Burke is just sitting in his office looking for excuses not to give our best prospect a chance to play in the NHL.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Scott has to be the sleeper to eventually become a depth Leafs 4th liner, no? Kid has been pretty great all year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
if there were scouts at this game
whoever they came to scout from the Marlies or Rockford (game stats aside) they probably fell in love with Frattin.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
Is that the guy you want, throwing the lawnmowers? Yeah, he’s ours, get out of here.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Actually he has developed a way for them to fly.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
holy shit, they’ve developed a defense mechanism to fend off Frattin attacks.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
Pete Mahovlich and Mark Howe were at the Islanders game today, ostensibly scouting Jurcina and Eaton.
What could Burke conceivably get from Florida or Detroit in exchange for Komisarek?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 20, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
hmm…well he should take what he can get for Komi
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
How about Komisarek + a 2nd for Commodore, or maybe Komi for Jovanovski + a 3rd
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I would trade Komi for anything to get rid of the cap hit. I’m serious about that ham sandwich.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jovanovski has almost the same cap hit and is 35. And I believe is a 35+ contract, so if he retires, cap hit stays.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to take back salary or cap space.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
you dont want cap space?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
missing a word there: reduced cap space.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
That seems unrealistic in Komisarek’s case. Straight cap hit dump for that guy…. don’t see it happening.
Even in the Campbell trade, CHI had to take back Olesz
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Roof Pizza?
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
how the crap did this meme start?
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
well, Mike Ilitch owns Little Ceasers Pizza right? maybe free pizza for a year?
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"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
I’d take free pizza once for Komi. Solid deal.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
hell yeah. even from Pizza Panzo, and that shit is disgusting.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
not as disgusting as swallowing another two years of that contract
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
that is
pretty gross.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
8. Final Nash note: With the exception of Phil Kessel (who was a restricted free agent), Brian Burke’s biggest moves all happened under a cone of silence. The Dion Phaneuf and Joffrey Lupul/Jake Gardiner trades did not leak until the last seconds. If he was serious about this player, would he be that obvious about it?
9. If Burke traded Mikhail Grabovski for a second-round pick and a prospect, who, exactly, would fill his spot on a team trying to make the playoffs? Would have to be another move, no?
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
is he suggesting the Leafs are not in on Nash or are in on Nash?
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
If we’re playing the “read too far into this” game, I’d say that thought #8 says “no Nash,” and thought #9 says “Grabbo rumor is weak.”
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I read it as “no one knows what the fuck is going to happen with Burke, he keeps that shit tight to his chest, but if he does trade grabovski, especially for such a shite return then it would be because there is a replacement Centre coming in”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, McKenzie said the same thing about Grabovski weeks ago – Burke knows how valuable he is to the team and he won’t be going anywhere without a replacement lined up.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly what it says
Is Grabbo out for pick and Markstrom. That pick and Komisarek traded for Carter!
WOOOOOOOOOOT
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Kings should just overpay for him and get it over with
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
yes please
and hopefully they give them the goalie they want so we can get Carter on the down low.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
In doing research on the Columbus captain, was surprised to find out that there are teams who aren’t big fans. (Boston was not one of these teams.) It’s some of the same stuff you’ve heard about Jay Bouwmeester, in that Nash has played only four playoff games and prefers the shadows to the spotlight
hmmm. We know the Leafs put a lot of emphasis on playoff production and they play in the biggest media market.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Given the disdain Burke claims to have for the Toronto media, I doubt he’s giving that serious consideration. Phil Kessel is the epitome of a “not-in-the-spotlight” kind of guy.
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Kessel did have some experience playing and performing in a major hockey market while with the Bruins……Columbus is totally different.
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Nash has always been terrible on the big stage like the worlds, or the Olympics or that one time his team was in the playoffs and he was just under a PPG against the number one seed
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dealing with Toronto-level media for a few weeks every year is not at the same level. Rick Nash is a damn good player but if he’s a Maple Leaf, he’s automatically the big fish in the pond and that comes with all the extra attention. At the international level, he has several other star players along there with him so that certainly helps reduce the pressure to perform. That is nothing compared to the pressure to perform as a Leaf especially as it’s biggest star.
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so? do you have proof that he wouldn’t thrive in Toronto?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously not, but at the price that Columbus will likely deal him at, it’s not a worthy risk.
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NO!!!!!…………not even close.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Lupul is Lupul backwards
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what the fuck? no, that’s stupid, stop saying stupid things
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is the door.
Use it.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
what the fuck are you talking about? Kessel plays the toughest competition every single game
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
like who?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel plays against team’s top defencemen every night and is near the top in both Goals and Points. Even better than Rick Nash.
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hahahahahahaha
Steve Simmons, is that you?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Must be, no one else hates the leafs that much.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
the “big market pressure” is probably the last “risk” anyone should worry about when trading for Rick Nash, the very last one
it is a silly thing to even consider
his contract and how it might effect the teams long term cap plans? yup
his age and declining production? oh yeah
the assets it will cost to attain his services? mmmmhmmm
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but Columbus is no where near Toronto in terms of player scrutiny. He has played extremely well in Columbus but I wouldn’t want to pay the rumored price for him and hoping he increases his offensive output from this year to the next in Toronto.
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actually Burke said he brought in Lupul because he was a proven playoff performer.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
depends on when he said this. Of course he has to spin it positively when you acquire a guy right when almost everyone viewed it as a salary dump.
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he has stated repeatedly that Lupul wasn’t a salary dump. Maybe from Anaheim’s point of view he was, to make room for Beauch, but even if Lupul didn’t play this well the guy is a 50-60 point player. hardly a salary dump.
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well in terms of offense Nash would be the replacement for Grabovski. In terms of who would fill the centre position you still have Bozak, Connolly, Lombardi, Steckel.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 20, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Think Chicago was in on both Todd Gill (Nashville) and Nicklas Grossman (Philadelphia), but were beaten out.
Damn you, Todd Gill!!!!!!
by Goosemonster on Feb 20, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Did he make the edit already, or was that your error?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Roof Pizza anyone?
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
We will be serving Roof pizza along with Roofbeer followed by fisticuffs.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
… along with much, much more roof rowdiness
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Step one complete
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
oooo a wagoneer, those things rule
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck I used to have a wagoneer. That shit was the tits
Komisarek Blows
by jd90 on Feb 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Breaking Bad I believe
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Something a little like this
only with all of us, some beers, and Mike Brown all in a circle as we anxiously await the next arrival. 
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Shit we have to rethink this. We need a bigger roof.
Also our ladder fell off.
Sigh. Back to the drawing board.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that ladder issue, and it can be explained. There’s a massive pool out of the camera’s view, so when we all got up there, we kicked the ladder down as it’s much more fun to jump off the roof into the pool. As for the bigger roof, I’m on the phone with a real estate agent
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
It’s at the conceptual stage. We’re developing it.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN finally posted something about the Kessel rumour
Saying that they cited an imposter twitter account as an actual source and they won’t in the future and blahblahblah…typical ESPN bullshit
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Real professionalism right there.
Oh yeah, we forgot to check our sources.
How would we know BrainBurckeGM@laffs67 wasn’t a credible source?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Man ESPN is not having a good week… at this point I’m just going to assume that they’ll catch Dick Vitale on a live mic throwing out ethnic slurs on the air at some point this week
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
"Chink in the Armor"???
Really ESPN? Didn’t think people would catch on to that? sigh
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
Who would like to see McKegg score while wearing a leafs jersey.
I do!
Ok, one more.
And yes, he wears the # 69.
At least it's not Lebda.
what a passing play by Gardiner and Nicholls on that first one
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 20, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
i remember that game, it was awesome
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 20, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Who's this Gardiner kid?
he’s not half bad! lol
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
hi i'm the sharks fan who had to come over here to apologize after flaming you guys at the wild gamethread
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Probably going to do a fanshot for this too, if that’s okay. I figured this was a huge toronto community that could be reached
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by YeahTommyB4ZGermansGetThere on Feb 20, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions
I has a sad
6. Boston GM Peter Chiarelli went on record last week that Tuukka Rask and defensive uber-prospect Dougie Hamilton will not be traded. Chiarelli’s said that before about Rask, but I wanted to double-check after Nash’s availability became known. Mentioned on Hotstove that it’s believed the Rangers told Columbus that neither Michael del Zotto nor Ryan McDonagh are available.
The kid has 56 points in 38 games at 18 in the OHL. He is a defenseman….
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
If Boston could also throw in Seguin into a Nash for Rask, Hamilton, and Seguin deal I think I’d die laughing
Not that apparently it’ll happen… but that might be the best thing ever
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I was just sad that Friedmann called Hamilton an “uber-prospect”. When I then found out that Hamilton has a 1.5 PPG as a defenseman I was sadder.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Meh, other than passively hoping that Seguin, Knight, and Hamilton turn out to be huge busts at an NHL level, I’ve moved on from the Kessel trade
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
That is a bit terrifying.
He is a 6’6’’ and a point machine.
Oh and he is also apparently a genius.
But he is a ginger, so it evens out.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ginger kids don’t have souls!
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
@GMilIerTSN
EDM F Ales Hemsky has been traded to NSH for D-man Ryan Ellis + 2012 1st (Conditional) more details to come.
Wow.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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fuck me. 43 followers. IGNORE THIS.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The capital I as an l is also a giveaway
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
can’t wait to minimize tha— HEY!
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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by Bower Power on Feb 20, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
NEVER FORGET
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
For trade deadline, make sure you’re following the right Gord Miller, Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger…etc.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
So... just to be clear.....
For trade deadline, make sure you’re following the right Gord Mueller, Bobs McKenzie, Darren Dragon… etc.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 20, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Now that’s a Trade Deadilne worth watching
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I actually bought it when you posted this
It kind of made sense to me… That and I just WANTED to believe there was a blockbuster.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Canes win 5-0. Somehow…the Leafs are still 8th…lol.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
It’s nice something went our way for once.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
wow, NOBODY wants to play the Rangers in the first round, huh?
Fuck Kerry Fraser
"...Where be your gibes now, Glenn Healy?"
shocking eh…. If ONLY we could make a run and get to 6th seed.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
We're all having Jake Gardiner and Mike Brown over for some Roof Pizza!
by TannShazamm on Feb 21, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently he had to ask how to spell “Phaneuf”.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
That’s pretty funny
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
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