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by SkinnyFish on Feb 22, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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A break down of the only goal against last night that requires more analysis than "fucking Gustavsson".
BCP looks into just that.
Leafs Most Monstrous Problems are in Goal
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spent the evening painting the bedroom and popped out for the last few minutes of the game, saw them tie it up. Man that was an exciting moment.
Thanks for that guys, glad to see it ended in a tie.
Dammit Gomez.
Let’s face it… Kessel gave the Leafs a probably undeserved point. Asking for 2 was a lot.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
the leafs deserved 2 points, gustavsson did not
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately for fans, the goaltending position is very much a part of the Leafs.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
right, but when 3 out of 4 goals are directly on the shoulders of one player, it is hard to blame the whole team for losing by one goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Each one of those hurt my soul. Flashbacks of Toskala.
I know it keeps getting brought up lately (due to generally shitty goaltending), but Burke’s “i’ll never be caught without depth in the goaltending position” or whatever the quote was, haunts me.
I just hope he doesn’t go full stupid and try and sell the farm to sign a Bryzgalov of trade for a Varlamov.
I guess all we can do is sign a decent vet UFA and wait for Reimer/Scrivens/Owuya/Rynnas to develop? Fuck goaltending man, fuck it right in the ear.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Burke has added 4 goalies to the Leafs in his time here, he is searching for it pretty good, people go on and on about a vet back up but wasn’t that what giggy was supposed to be?
I mean even if the Leafs found a vet back up, they still wouldnt have a starter at this point, and the Leafs would still be “short” on goaltending
Starters are not easy to acquire
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
People say we should have signed Theodore, but would he have even signed here given that the plan would have been for him to only be a backup
I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse
theodore probably would have, I mean at best he was going to be splitting duties with Clemmenson and was at a constant risk of being replaced by Markstrom at anytime
doesn’t change that the Leafs still would not have a starter
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree about Theodore. If We had Reimer/Theodore and Reimer craps the bed, Theodore is a perfectly reasonable starter while we sift through our prospects. He has a high teens save percentage right now iirc.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 8:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you are also forgetting that Theodore is insulated by Mike Weaver, so his numbers are boosted
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Theodore wasn’t at risk of being replaced by Markstrom – Clemmenson was/is. But yeah, I doubt he takes a one-year contract with TOR when he’s getting a two-year to play in Florida, especially when we couldn’t guarantee him a start count (since Reimer was playing #1 quality).
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Theodore was at just as much risk as clemmer, who ever played worse could have been replaced
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Backups can steal starter jobs pretty easily… Giggy in COL did that pretty well.
Hell Bobrovsky is well on his way.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
there is stealing a starting gig and there is having one handed to you by having a shitty starter
Bryz is serving up his gig to Bob on a silver platter
Giggy is..well fuck him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
And I’m not even sure who to call starter or backup in NYI
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Or EDM for that matter.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much the only “starter” potential goalie available for anything short of a kings ransom out there is Bernier and he is having a terrible year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Harding is a UFA this summer. Also Biron could be similar to Theodore last summer (but he hasnt had a starters load in almost three years)
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 8:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anderson turned from a career backup to a starter eventually… I have a faith that a few current backup goalies could eventually be starters. Just not sure which ones.
Harding could be one if he could ever remain healthy. Maybe Lebarbera, Lindback. Mike Smith has sort of taken the opportunity and run with it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
Smith is benefitting hard from Phoenix’s system, he’s probably better than anything the Leafs have at the moment, but he is getting help that Reimer/gus is not.
I’d love to get Lindback though, he is going to be real good
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
If there’s one system that seems to make goaltenders look great, it’s PHX.
If there’s one system that seems to make goaltenders look awful, it’s TOR.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
wasn’t me.
- Wilson
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Release the Frattin.
oh fuck off with that, seriously?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
half joke, but go soak your head or something if you get that upset over that, bud.
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Release the Frattin.
yes, I am totally upset and not just sick and tired of people saying ridiculous things that have nothing to do with anything
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
You should have been around more last night.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I didn’t really get the reference to be honest
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Giggy didn’t steal it either. I mean, he’s played well, but Varlamov has a .900. Not like he was putting up much competition.
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The goalies he’s added, other than Giguere, are all unproven prospects. That’s fine for five years in the future, but unfortunately the Leafs are still playing games. And yes, patience is important, but that doesn’t mean you give up on the games in between. If the extent of his planning was go with Gustavsson/Reimer and hope one of them becomes a starter this year, well that’s a pretty risky gamble, hindsight or not.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
he has twice gone after and signed “the best goalie not in the NHL” and every other young free agent goalie Burke has been at least in on, so I am hard pressed to believe that Burke isnt trying to land himself a decent long term solution, obviously the stars have not aligned, but to pretend he is doing exactly the same thing he did with Cloutier is silly
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He has been working hard to find a goalie, but I think its pretty clear that at the very least we need a decent veteran or proven backup this summer. I don’t want to re-sign Gus. Too many games that have similar stories: he makes saves he has no business making, and then whiffs terribly and lets in stinkers.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
a vet back up does not solve the leafs problems, it bandaids them, but the problem still festers
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Oh indeed, but I don’t know how else he’s going to improve goaltending. As you note, he’s tried to sign potential number 1s, but they don’t grow on trees.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
If Burke’s strategy is to develop the crop of prospects he’s signed now, then we actually do need a bandaid. Because the long-term solution is supposedly one of Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, etc.
I agree with you that Burke has not exactly been sitting on his hands about the goaltending. He has gone out and signed several of the “best goalies not in the NHL” over the past few years. But none of those goalies, when signed, have been NHL-ready. Gustavsson, even after three years, still isn’t. Owuya and Rynnas certainly aren’t. So what happens in the interim? Well, we’re seeing it right now. The goaltending is developing, and there are growing pains.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
you need a stop gap number 1, not a back up
back ups are back ups for a reason, throwing young unready goalies against the rocks still hurts, even with a safety net
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
giguere was supposed to be our stopgap number 1.
Of the UFA goalies available, I think really Harding is probably the best option.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Stopgap no. 1 = band-aid. That’s what a stop-gap solution is. A temporary one.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
and a stop gap back up is a bandaid that is too small and lets dirt into the wound making it worse
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
It’s your fault you keep picking at the scab
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Thats why Theodore was such a great choice. He has had 0.910 or above in 4 of thelast 5 seasons and 40+ starts in 4 of the last 5 years. This year I think Harding or Biron are the best bets (Vokoun if he’d come here too).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our long term solution was actually supposed to be Reimer… People forget a little over a year ago he was just another very good prospect in our system with a decently bright future ahead of him.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
He still might be. 23 years old.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is my point. People think oh Reimer is just a stopgap. No he’s younger than Scrivens and Rynnas and a year older than Owuya.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer has now played about one full season in the NHL with ups and downs and injuries. I still believe he can come back and be our guy moving forward, he’s just in a really tough place right now and his backup is no help. He needs a vet to lean on like he had in Giguere last year. He needs a mentor
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
He needs a mentor
It’s hard to say Burke didn’t try. Giguere, on paper, is a perfect mentor. Same style, right age, just didn’t fucking work.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
You say it didn’t work but Reimer played fucking awesome last year. Who knows what Giguere did in practice or before games to help him. Maybe thats what he needed
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
sorry I think he meant mentor with a groin muscle that still works.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I meant someone who could sit with Reimer after losses and stuff and who wasn’t a headcase who let in soft goals.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
oh I agree, I just dont know where we’re going to find one. I still think Harding is probably our best option. After that there’s Huet….but uh….yeah.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think someone like Harding can count as a mentor.
“So James what I’ve learned in my time in the league is when you’re sitting on the bench try singing songs to yourself in your head… it helps alleviate the boredom”
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
You know what’s going to suck and has a very realistic chance of happening?
Reimer/Scrivens next season.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It won’t suck if Reimer becomes Optimus again…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
When I am rehabbing my many injuries I like to pretend i am the 6 million dollar man, but they could only afford to pay for the improvements on an instalment plan
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I just pictured him in my head making the “shanananananana” noise while making saves in a game
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t eat pasta because looking at pasta makes me think about my groin turning to angel. And even thinking it makes it happen again. Oh crap there it goes
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Harding: 107 Career GP.
Reimer: 62.
He’s got talent and potential in his own right, but only thing Josh Harding can teach anyone is how to rehab and how to ride the pine.
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by Bower Power on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
sooo pretty much what I said
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Speak of the devil
@TSNBobMcKenzie
MIN’s Josh Harding has a minor injury. Day to day. Hence the recall of Matt Hackett from HOU. This is not trade related.
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by Bower Power on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch. I just don’t know what other options we have in the UFA market. I mean, other than Schneider and Jonathan “.900” Bernier, who can we pry away from another team that isn’t a UFA? I just don’t know.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs also weren’t in a position to bring back Giguere because Gustavsson was still under contract. Sure, you can waive him, but where does he go? The minors? What about the other prospects? I guess they could’ve shipped him back to Sweden but I don’t think Burke would ever do that
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Jonas Hiller was also once the “best goalie not in the NHL”, and that worked out pretty well for Burke.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
goalies are lotto picks, your lucky to have a winner and if you let him go you deserve to be poor
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
This team has goaltending depth. It’s just taking time to develop, and lacks the high-end / elite talent.
So…it’s like every other position in this organization.
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By my count it took Burke 8 years to solidify goaltending by trading for Luongo in Vancouver. And in anaheim he already had bryz and giguere.
Burke was gone when they got Luongo
Nonis was the GM who traded for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, what’s that guy doing?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
According to a recently released book he got screwed over by Wang in NYI
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Burke had a handshake deal with Milbury for Garth Snow and Wang said no. Saw the Tweet but can’t find the excerpt
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Man, Burke really missed out on that .900 goaltending by Garth Snow.
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And the fact that Snow would be gunning for Burke’s job
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe there is more to the Snow-Wang relationship than meets the naked eye.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
as opposed to the 10 or so points Kessel “cost” the Leafs at the start of the year?
please…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
dump Kessel. Maybe Colorado will take him for Downie.
Dammit Gomez.
by elseldo on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’d rather finish 9th by losing on the last day and pick 13th than pick 12th and finish in 10th
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
Both of those choices suck
HANG IN THEIR FOR 8TH
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
It's astonishing we still have a playoff spot.
We need to claw our way to a win again SJ and string some wins together, only 22 games left!
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Bloody San Jose had to shit the bed against the Blue Jackets, when they could easily have waited until they played us
We're getting sick of him, he's just shouting congress tart
Future Leaf Jeff Carter with the hat trick!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nash and Carter can slay the Sharks again tomorrow when they are in their new Leafs uniforms
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
No one wants 8th, it seems.
Washington seemingly won’t overtake us, even the Jets only matched our OTL point.
This is the most pathetic stretch playoff run I’ve ever seen.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
It’s fast approaching a 7—way tie for eighth place.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
The worst part is… the Leafs are only 7 points behind for the division lead… WTF?
the top 4 teams in the East right now by points are all in the Atlantic!
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
We can compete with any of the rest in terms of systematic watered down mediocrity. Why just last night we stole victory from the clutches of defeat, only to get to OT and have our goalie say “nah, fuck it, you guys take the point”.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Those European goalies are too nice. They just politely give the other team the point. Now a good Canadian boy would have fought everyone on the Devils and won the game in OT himself.
/Cherry’d
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
7 points is a lot with 20 games left
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t saying it was possible I was just saying how all the teams seem to like sucking right now..
We’ve actually made up points on Boston in the last few weeks…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ya Boston’s injuries are slowly catching up to them. Kind of shocked they dont’ seem to be interested in adding fwd depth with Horton and Peverley out, Krejci cold.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Operation Eastern Conference Crappy Team Fest
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
8th in the west is only 1 point higher than 8th in the East. But in the west, 15 points (or so) separates 8th from 15th. In the East, it’s more like 7.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
right, but to be fair CoLOLbus plays in the West, so that distorts it a bit.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, throw out the outlier. Even Edmonton is still 8 points back of the 8th spot. Gosh, the west is so much better than the East.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I never said it was. But look at the parity of suck in the East, at least in the West they separate the wheat from the chaff….
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Odds are that all these teams will start winning eventually. How exciting will it be when the season has two weeks left and we’re waiting to see which team’s winning streak will snap first?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
eastern conference bubble teams….winning streaks…..does not compute. It will be more entertaining to see who loses the least and manages to sneak in.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Nice of the Jets to allow Wayne Simmonds to tie the game with under 10 seconds left.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Well after Pavelec totally robbed them with his glove he had to make them feel better
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I lost a fair bit of confidence in Phaneuf last night when he quit on Kovy’s breakaway. Could you imagine if the trailing Devil, the one he could have cought if he didn’t lay there on the ice after falling down, had scored on Kovy’s rebound? Regardless, the captain has to set a better example than that.
do you really think there was any way in hell phaneuf could have caught up to the play at all? I mean seriously?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf could not have caught kovy but I was also upset when I saw him just lie there for 1-2 seconds. Get up and rejoin the play. Who knows what the rebound situation is.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
right, but Phaneuf isnt the type to just lay there for no reason, maybe he twisted his ankle a bit, maybe he caught his tailbone hard on the ice and couldnt get up right away, I doubt very much he was just “hmmm, I have a good view of the play from here so I’m gonna chill”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 8:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d have to see the full play again, but he didn’t look to be in any dicomfort at any time after the play.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
right, because Phaneufs face is always a myriad of emotion
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
"hmmm, I have a good view of the play from here so I’m gonna chill"
-Jonus Gustavsson
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 22, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He might have fallen awkwardly and winded himself or tweaked something. He did have that heroic backcheck a few games ago, so it’s out of character for him to give up.
by stevesmith19 on Feb 22, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
You read the second sentence in full, right?
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 22, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
you read the answer in full right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Trade deadline needs to pass ASAP
I had very vivid dreams about a Rick Nash trade to LA last night. Like, specific players, in-depth analysis from TSN, full discussion on PPP/twitter about it. I was actually shocked when I woke up and realized it wasn’t true.
No no, dig UP stupid.
8 BALL CONFIRMS NASH TO LA
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Magic 8 ball is easily my favorite sports writer.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t tell if the title has an error or is a clever little play on words.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
it being written by Skinny, going to put my money on error
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
Me either. I was hoping some one else would bring it up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
What are we hanging in who’s baby now?
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 22, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
Gripping the 8th spot more tightly than jail soap!
Thanks for the linkage.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/author/mislav-jantoljak/
@Xterratu on twitter
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 22, 2012 7:59 AM EST reply actions
Pace for 8th place is pro-rated to 89 points right now
More like the LEASTERN conference amiright
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
I found us a goalie that could have stopped the overtime goal.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
whispers do nothing, it’s going wide
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 22, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Best of all, his salary cap hit is $0.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think I found a UFA goalie we can sign to replace Gus.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Dreger on TSN 1050
reminds us that every time he asks Leafs management about the goaltending position, they continue to have no plans on upgrading it and aren’t focusing on it.
Sigh.
No no, dig UP stupid.
he did let it two bad goals and a brutal one in OT but he played lights out in the third. – three or four times by three or four different reporters.
what the fuck?
it’s hard place to play goal… um…. period. – Wilson
what in the fuck? because it’s Toronto? Please…it’s the NHL, pal.
it’s like we’re being trolled by everyone all at once.
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Release the Frattin.
damage control, think of the fallout if Wilson et all threw Reimer under the bus
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, im just tired of Wilson’s “any other damn place, ’cept here” shtick.
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Release the Frattin.
well what else is he supposed to say? I mean clearly the goaltending was the hot button issue and his options were damage control or throwing a player under the bus
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
they scored on a shot that was essentially going wide.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
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Release the Frattin.
My goalie sucks. My team has no confidence. I’m sure we’ll lose.
Would it be better if Wilson said that? And then had no choice but to continue to play the goalie anyway? How would that improve our chances of winning?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
some people are sick of people saying ridiculous things that have nothing to do with anything. i guess i’m sick of Wilson saying anything in general.
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Release the Frattin.
if he stopped saying anything, you’d bitch about him being cold to the media and not talking
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t recall bitching about much, but all i do is see you bitch about anything and everything. lighten up man
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Release the Frattin.
bitching is needless complaining, not finding fault in the needless complaining of others
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
you must spend alot of time on HFboards cause you seem pretty stressed out.
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Release the Frattin.
clearly stressed out, because when you can’t win an argument on the internet, the other guy is an angry stressed out jerk with an axe to grind, not because you are just wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
you’re the only one arguing. I just don’t like Wilson’s coaching, how can i be wrong about not liking something? i have to like what he does because you do?
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
there is not liking something and then there is piss poor rationalization of why you don’t like something
you expressed the latter, and it’s not arguing if only one side is presenting points and the other plays the victim
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
weill if i appeared to be playing victim, forgive. i’m just being an ass most of the time.
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Remember, be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
"Believe" - Charlie the unicorn.
Release the Frattin.
anyways, you go ahead and argue with me or whoever you want, i got shit to do.
jk, i have no life
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Release the Frattin.
He played stellar last night, except when he didn’t.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
It’s the Gustavsson slogan: Flashes of brilliance, periods of incompetence.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
jekyll and hyde
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
more like “Jekyll and Five-hole” amiright?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Voice of reason : It seems no matter who we start in net we get the same bad results.
Wilson :Run the test again.
Voice of reason : Are you sure, shouldn’t we change something? Maybe send one of them for a conditioning stint . How about we look for outside talent?
Wilson :RUN IT AGAIN YOU BASTARD!
And so it goes.
At least it's not Lebda.
Wilson looks for outside talent now?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'd still come back with Gustavsson
It seems to me that he plays better when you play him consistently, not alternating him with Reimer. GUS played well for that stretch and then it’s been in&out . It’s no wonder he’s been playing shaky. I don’t know . That’s just my observation.
by Jack rides ducks on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 AM EST reply actions
oh god no
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
haha
I defend someone for a change and Jared wants to ax him.
haha
by Jack rides ducks on Feb 22, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
did you see last nights game? did you see the few games he played before that?
he is god awful and there is no reason in hell he should ever get an NHL start again unless every other goalie in the Leafs system is injured
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t have to try hard to convince me. I just wonder how many games(losses) it take before Reimer finds his game if ever. Not like we have a lot of games left to experiment. Just trying to choose the lesser of two evils.
by Jack rides ducks on Feb 22, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Shitty Reimer is better than shitty Gustavsson
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Just trying to choose the less er of two evils. leaky of two sieves
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I’d run Gus again too. Give him another game to sink or swim instead of this constant rotation. He should have gotten the start after that 2-1 loss. Faces 30 shots, misplays 1 angle and gets yanked. Not the best way to build someone’s confidence.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
throwing him in against a high powered team like the sharks after wiffing on 3 easy saves will do wonders for his confidence, he might even weep himself to sleep
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
that’s progress from drink himself to sleep, though.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
The same Sharks that got crushed by CBJ, yes
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
good teams never have bad games, I mean the Bruins totally suck, they got shut out by the canes!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
yeah and in my experience when a good team loses to a bad one and we play them next, we just get spanked. Which is what I expect tomorrow.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Unlike the Leafs who follow up a 5-0 loss with a 5-1 loss. Progress.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah and based on the look on some of the players faces… I have a horrible feeling we’re going to come out pretty flat on Thursday
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
IT DOES NOT MATTER. BOTH OF THE LEAFS GOALIES STINK.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
FOR FUCK SAKES SIGN DRUNK ED BELFOUR AND PUT HIM IN GOAL. WHO GIVES A SHIT.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
good morning sunshine
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
This is about the lowest I've felt this season
Considering this is a sellers market, I’m starting to lean on the side of being a seller at the deadline. Pickup assets now and make a big splash in the off-season. Plus it will guarantee that WIlson and Zetler will at least be gone. Although I believe he would likely be retained, one can hope Allaire will be replaced also.
Even if these guys sneak into the playoff, they’re ‘many’ notches below even the bottom tier of the elite teams. An extra week at seasons end and the humiliation of that series isn’t worth it in my opinion.
so the Leafs are still in a playoff spot, after having a terrible stretch of games and they should just give up and tank?
some peoples kids
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
yeah we shouldn’t tank, but if we lose the next two I wouldn’t mind moving some mediocre guys to free up spots for one or two of the kids.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m hearing a lot of talk about tanking right now, as though the Leafs are going to go 0-22-0 the rest of the way. Every team wins a few in a row eventually, even the lottery teams.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Boston’s record is pretty similar to ours over the last 1/3 of the season or so. I guess Boston should give up too, right?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Then so is Boston.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
When was our perfect month of games? They’re entitled to lose a few, even by indifference. We keep losing by seeming indifference / incompetence when we should be desperately clinging to a playoff spot!!
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Every team plays bad stretches. Not the rest of the team’s fault that Toskala was in net last night.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Right… we just have more bad stretches than Boston (e.g.) and yes, part of that is goaltending, part of it is poor defence, etc. etc. it’s frustrating!
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs have won too many games to tank. If the whole thing goes to shit the Leafs might end up in 10th or something. They’re in a playoff spot right now. Burke is better off giving this team a chance to sink or swim on its own merits rather than do something stupid to force a playoff spot. Which he’s said he’s against doing
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
but the burn it to the ground and give up any hope of competing for another 3 years is enticing to you?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Trade the whole team for a goalie who can stop the puck works for me. We can build from there.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
useless every single one of them. stupid 3rd in goal Kessel – you don’t win by scoring goals.
And he’s what? 5th in points. Fuck that guy, give his roster spot to Colton Orr.
Lupul is 7th? psh, ECHL next season.
BURN DOWN THE ACC AND SHIP THE TEAM TO KANSAS CITY.
they’ve had 95 years. it was a good run.
Dammit Gomez.
Come on Jared.
Do you seriously believe that Burke can turn this group of Leafs into an actual contender through trades and free agency? Especially given his unwillingness to sign real talent to long term cap busting deals – the only way to get such talent?
I’m convinced that the best we will get out of Burke’s rebuild is Montreal (not this year’s, obv.). A team that’s perenially in the playoffs and buggers off in the 1st or 2nd round and once a decade makes the conference finals. Maybe that’s good enough for Leafs management. Maybe a couple round of playoff tickets and false hope to drive up more revenue is what they want.
But I want the Leafs to win a Cup and they’re not on track to do that right now. 3 years from now, they still won’t be any closer, really, if Burke keeps going with this rebuild scheme.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 22, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Did you seriously just talk about how the owners only care about the playoffs insofar as it makes them more money, and that’s why we’re not succeeding? Really?
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
you mean I shouldnt think that the team that is continually improving might continue to improve?
clearly the only way to the top is to tank and draft lotto picks for 3 or 4 years
I’m convinced you don’t know dick all about how Burke is building this team and are cherry picking comparable
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
clearly the only way to the top is to tank and draft lotto picks for 3 or 4 years
it’s working for Edmonton and the Islanders.
Dammit Gomez.
and columbus, and atlantapeg and the Panthers
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
And Colorado, and apparently Tampa Bay.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
I don’t advocate for pull a scorched earth type policy, but outside of the core 7-10 players that you think can go forward, I think management should entertain all offers.
I actually prefer the way Burke is rebuilding, but for it to be successful he has to continually churn his trades to pickup the pieces. For every Lupul, you have a Lombardi.
If you have a very strong sellers market (which is appears) and assets will flow back at a disproportional value, then you should take that opportunity. In addition, it’s a strong UFA market next year and a lot of uncertainty with the CBA situation. Somebody will be on the wrong side of the salary cap or the new CBA and need to shed something of value.
what is so bad about Lombardi? I mean the fact that he is playing at all is pure gravy
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
he’s the only overpaid guy I would consider holding onto, because a training camp might do him good. But really, the number of times he skates in and shoots it right into a goalie’s chest is really frustrating.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
he doesn;t shoot it at the goalies chest, he shoots it wide!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I like Lombardi, but I feel he’s one of the tweeners – too small to be bottom six and not enough skill for top six.
a player does not have to be big or physical to be a bottom 6 player
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if he wasn’t playing he’d be on LTIR and we’d be able to use that cap money for another player (blah blah I know it’s not extra cap space blah blah).
That said, I don’t think Lombardi’s contract is keeping the Leafs from making any player moves so it might be a moot point.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Burke is entertaining offers, but he’s not going to give them up for nothing. If a good deal had come by he would have done it by now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
yeah seriously Jared, how can you ignore the amazing and brilliant strategies behind the Islanders and Edmonton re-builds?
Step 1: Tank
Step 2: Draft High
Step 3: Tank
Step 4: Draft High
Repeat.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah go ask Tyler Dellow or Derek Zona how great life is as an Oilers fan right now…
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Ya but who cares about pain now if you go through a period of winning for 5 years? It’s just worse because it seems like forever since we had anything resembling competitiveness (with the exception of “flashes” this year).
To put it another way: how much longer do Burke and Wilson get to try their hand at this?
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
The point is, the Oilers have sucked for a long time and they aren’t exactly flying up the standings even with Eberle, Hall, and RNH playing some very good hockey. That team is leaky
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
They refuse to draft a defenseman and they refuse to trade their talented players for one.
Eventually they have to do one or the other.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
At the spots they’ve been drafting in the first, you need to take the best player available. Also, they drafted Klefbom, Marincin, Petry, and Musil. Not like they’ve ignored the position, just have to let those guys develop. The point is, tanking can take a long, long time. Even if you do get the 1st overall pick
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Especially since defensemen take longer to develop.
Are they even going to be ready to crack the roster by the time RNH, Hall, Eberle, this year’s 1st are up for their big raises?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
They drafted Alex Plante 15th overall in 2007. I’m not sure, but it doesn’t appear as though even he’s ready at this point.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Petry is in the lineup now and I think he has a lot of potential. Still has lapses but it’s unsurprising. Marincin is close and he’s nasty. As much as anything, they need consistent goaltending and a better commitment to defense from their forwards. Smid is playing great hockey, Gilbert has been occasionally very good.
Can’t keep trading away everyone over the age of 24 though
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Can’t keep trading away everyone over the age of 24 though
EDM and NYI – superstar teams in 2021!
One reason I’m hoping they keep Grabovski… this trend is hitting a little too close to home.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Could have traded down last year to take Larsson and gotten something decent out of the deal.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
RNH seems to have been a decent choice as well.
But couldn’t they use Hemsky, Sam Gagner, etc. to get a dman? I know it’s been suggested a billion times by EDM fans but eventually it’s got to happen.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ya but who cares about pain now if you go through a period of winning for 5 years?
When EDM starts making playoffs then I’ll believe this will happen. Not even 3 #1 picks in a row can stop pucks from going in your own net.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I would wager Dellow and Zona and other sharp Oiler fans don’t have a shred of confidence in OIlers management until Tambellini and Lowe have left the premises
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I eagerly await the tear in the time-space continuum when they’re both extended.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Burke has been at it for about 3.5 seasons. But the first 2 years (if not more) were just spent refilling completely empty cupboards. He has set us up for continued success, we now need to get over the hump in the present and near future.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do think we have a signficantly brighter future than at any point since the lockout, we’ve got plenty of prospects, some quite good, that may develop into good players. Not all of them will, but having a bunch ready to graduate into the AHL, some in the AHL ready for the NHL, etc. helps fill in roster spots and make you more competitive than you might otherwise be. Me thinks.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god are we really going to go through this again?
It’s the same damn arguments every damn day: free agency vs. tanking for draft picks, Reimer vs. Gustavsson, Fire Wilson vs. Don’t Fire Wilson, the Kessel deal, is Phaneuf overpaid, etc etc
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
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I’m really excited to be here. I wonder what will happen if I start posting .gifs
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I predict that you will get yelled at for not using titties on your gif posts.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yah where are the titties…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Top draft picks are like a net. The Stanley Cup is the big fish. Having a net doesn’t guarantee that you will catch the big fish, but it is much more difficult to catch it without one. People here are always listing teams that drafted high but couldn’t win a cup, arguing that this proves that drafting your own unicorns is not the only way to be successful. But it doesn’t prove that. It only proves that drafting high is not foolproof. To prove that there are other ways to land that big fish, you must list teams that have won the cup without drafting their own unicorns.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit, Anaheim (Perry was a 28st overall pick Getzlaf 19th overall not tanking picks) NJD (there #2 overall pick came via trade). Detroit again. Colorado Dallas Detroit and Detroit Colorado NJD NYR Montreal.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
So we have Pittsburgh in 1991 and 1992 then Tampa bay with Vinny in 04 Carolina with Staal in 06 Pitt again in 09 and Chicago in ’10.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
its almost like there is no one way to build a cup winner!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Get outta here.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
BUT TANKING WORKS!!
Also Tampa and Carolina only had one top pick who was a big contributor the rest of the team were either lower picks or brought in…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the sentiment around here is that TANKING NEVER WORKS. That’s not true either.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Teams that tank generally don’t do it because they want to, they do it because they’re incompetent or can’t ice a proper team any other way.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Right. The difference with a team like the Leafs tanking is that, one presumes, management isn’t incompetent and ownership isn’t going to derail it halfway through.
The problem isn’t tanking itself, because that’ll just happen organically if you have a bad team, but how to pull out of it and improve. Teams like the Oilers seem perpetually stuck, while teams like Columbus can’t pull out of the spiral due to management mistakes.
I think the Leafs can avoid that.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
who said that?
to me the sentiment is that tanking gets you some sexy good players but you have to actually build a decent foundation around said players to have a competitive cup challenging team
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also Pittburgh got lucky and won the lottery for Crosby. They did nothing to affect getting the best player in the NHL such as sucking an entire NHL year.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
it was clearly bullshit, but the conspiracy thing does have some legs, baby deer like maybe, but legs none the less
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
it has legs because it SOUNDS plausible not because there is any proof.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
it’s plausible because Sid “happened” to come when the Pens needed him the most.
The Pens needed him the most because they were the last in the League.
Being last in the League gave them more lottery balls.
More lottery balls gave them a greater chance of getting Sid.
why did they get the most lotto balls? they didn;t earn them during the lockout
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
well nobody earned anything during the lockout. The NHL had to base their rankings from somewhere, and the most logical place would be to base them from the previous season’s standings.
Unless they gave each team one ball, which wouldn’t be fair either.
why wouldnt one ball per team be fair? teams dont just jump dozens of places up the standings or drop like a stone one year after the next?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Each team started with 3 balls. If you made the playoffs the previous 3 years you lost a ball. If you EARNED (not traded up for like Pitt) the 1st overall pick you lost a ball. You were guarenteed 1 ball.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Each team started with 3 or 4 and then lost one based on certain criteria.
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They didn’t earn the #1 pick or was in the playoffs the previous 3 years.
Also if any team got the luckiest it was Anaheim. They only had 2 balls (Less than CBJ, NYR and Buffalo) yet they got 2nd.
Pittsburgh had a 6.25% chance at #1 but Anaheim only had a 4.4% chance at #2
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but it doesn’t get said enough. Most people can’t get past the kneejerk reaction of “well that’s working out great for Edmonton/Columbus/Florida/NYI/Atlantapeg/whathaveyou” whenever someone says the Leafs need to hold onto their firsts and try to draft high. As I said, it’s not just the nosedive but the recovery that makes or breaks a tanking strategy
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
the only reason this argument train was launched was to shove back at the relentless “only way to win a cup is to tank for super stars” that permeated the internet
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fair. I just got annoyed when people started aggressively undervaluing first rounders as a result of that. Plus remember the Kessel trade, which caused a lot of rationalizing among the fanbase at around the same time to convince themselves the Leafs didn’t give up anything of value.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t think of a recent team that has won a cup without drafting their #1C. Rangers have a good chance this year of doing that but even then most successful teams draft the core talent rather then trade and build their core around UFA.
the Bruins won last year because of Chara and Thomas, not because of their “core” talent you pick cherrys when you limit it to 1C’s
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Some of those teams though drafted their #1C without tanking – ie Detroit (Datsyuk) and Boston (whoever their number one C is).
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between drafting your #1 centre and drafting your #1 centre in the top 5.
And both of Bostons top centres were 2nd round draft picks. Does that mean we should load up on 2nd rounders? Crosby was a first overall pick but Pittsburgh didn’t tank for him. Datsyuk late round pick. Andy McDonald undrafted (Getzlaf wasnt the #1 and even then his was a 19th overall pick aka a playoff team selection)
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I never said anything about tanking (detroit got datsyuk late in the draft but the hawks got toews 2nd overall). The point was it seems team complement missing parts with trades and UFA signing but develop much of the core through drafting. And this is not the path the leafs are on – whether it can work is another story.
Getzlaf was also part of the 2003 draft, arguably one of the deepest in history. He would easily have gone No. 1 in say, 1999.
That of course is the other risk of tanking: if you pick the wrong year to suck.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know this? How do you know he’d go ahead of the Sedins or Stefan in ’99? hindsight? Were you a scout and knew exactly how each player ranked when they were 18? over the last 25 years?
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What if i said yes? Would that blow your mind?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
And having even one top pick as a big contributor changes the shape of the rest of the lineup. Again, why does a team have to be 100% draft picks for drafting high to be part of a valid strategy?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I never said one pick would be a bad thing… I’m just saying one high pick or 2 or 4 aren’t the guarantee some people think it is. How many top picks aren’t the answer to winning the cup?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Continually improving? You know, there’s a barrier to continuous improvement in this league. It’s called the salary cap.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I posted a table on the weekend
Compared to last year, Leafs have improved in almost every facet (5 on 5) except shot blocking and goaltending.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness, could they have been much worse?
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Probably. Teams are worse than the Leafs. It’s hard to believe, but it’s true.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs don’t get better – “How come they still suck?!?”
Leafs get better – “They’re only better because they used to suck!”
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they suck LESS than before :) LET’S CELEBRATE!!!
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
and that salary cap has interfered with Burke when?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
we'd have Malkin AND Crosby if not for the cap
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Do you seriously believe that Burke can turn this group of Leafs into an actual contender through trades and free agency
Yes? At least as good an option as Tanking for years and praying for a superstar.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
This team doesn’t need a superstar up front (which is what you get with top picks) as much as we need an above average goalie.. We could go the edmonton route and have forwards but no D or goalies or we could continue with what Burke is trying to do which is build from the net out.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
average goalie
WTF is that
Burke is trying to do which is build from the net out.
Ya he says that.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
it’s hard to build a foundation on a swamp
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Not if you just keep pouring concrete into it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
like a charm
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well now they have a good foundation to build a new building…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
see their problem was they stopped pouring the concrete.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve said this a million times but why can’t you do both? What happens if Burke says yeah, we’re going to suck for a while, we will get high draft picks but you know what we’re the Toronto Fucking Maple Leafs we can afford to draft high and keep those players when their contracts come up. Oh and we can also afford at the same time to sign free agents and make trades and scout players outside the NHL when necessary, because I’m Brian Fucking Burke and I’m a trade ninja master, and we also have stable ownership and a loyal fanbase
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
If you’re signing decent free agents and making trades for good players, you’re not going to end up with good draft picks very often.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Initially you will. Having a terrible year, drafting high and then building around that player by spending wisely in free agency and scouting college free agents etc., that can work too. It doesn’t have to be one or the other
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Especially given his unwillingness to sign real talent to long term cap busting deals – the only way to get such talent?
The only significant free agent who Burke has passed on is Brad Richards. Brad Richards currently has 40 points in 58 games and makes $12 million this season. Tyler Bozak currently has 36 points in 51 games and makes $1.6 million this season. Oh man if only we were paying Richards $10.4 million more for 4 extra points in 7 extra games!
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
its hard to even say that Burke passed on Richards as all the talking heads seem convinced that he wanted the Rangers or nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
and I’m ok with Burke passing on offering a contract to a guy that’s going to tie us to him for the next decade… unless that guy is one of the most talented players in the league who will be undoubtedly good for the next decade (barring injury)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
that’s a really good comparison. Makes Richards look beyond overpayed
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
i really feel like we dodged a bullet. I’m perfectly fine with not signing cap circumvention contracts that players/teams have no intention of fulfilling.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
you guys dodged a giant perhaps one day gomez sized bullet.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope we don’t dodge the Parise bullet.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
If he wants a 10 year deal like Richards……..eeeehhhh no.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Meeh we get his age 27-36 years instead of ages 31-40
I’m okay with that
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
but, but, that bullet would be tiny…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
the only way to get such talent?
Yup. The only way whatsoever.
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curious as to the success rate of teams who were in the playoffs, gave up and traded everything for futures is
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
you mean there isn’t an advanced stat for this?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
no it's not
http://shrpsports.com/nhl/stand.htm
on this day in 2004, the Leafs were 1 pt out of first in the conference, and first overall (tied with Philly, Detroit and Colorado).
http://shrpsports.com/nhl/stand.php
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those were the days
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand this. If the Leafs get in the playoffs at the 8th seed and fail to win the Cup, they haven’t “made noise”?
If we get kicked out 2nd round by a better team I’d be pretty okay with that as a season.
s •
yeup
“MAKING THE PLAYOFFS AS LOWER THAN A 5th SEED IS USELESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO SHOT AT THE CUP”
s •
If you miss the playoffs you definitely don’t have a shot at the cup
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Burkie is not pleased
with the Toronto Maple Clinging to Eighth Places.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t want to be the guy he gets angry at.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
www.twitter.com/runaroundkid
by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Not shown : Him strangling somebody with his other hand.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Gustavsson.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I bet he woke up this morning with the same expression still on his face.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I hope they Gomer’d him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I really feel this gif just perfectly encapsulates the season. And being a Leafs fan in general, really.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
That gif is the entire season in a nut shell
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
is this real life?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 22, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
If you look really really closely, you can see disappointment.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
its a six game stretch guys climb off the ledge and look at the standings that say your still in eighth with your competition being Winnipeg and Washington.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
It’s what, 1 win in 8 games or something? It’s bad. Pretty bad.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
every team goes through a bad stretch the yotes lost like 8 out of ten earlier last month, and now look. Be glad its happening now and not at the end of the season.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Your attempt at rationality is only fueling my anger.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
And if we came and told you everything was going to be okay when you were losing 8 out of 10, would you have agreed?
I dunno. Shit doesn’t look good right now.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
1 – 5 -1 in the last 7.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
He’s pressing the explode button.
On both goalies, Allaire and Wilson.
Plus the defence.
Wingers and center.
Trainer.
And their families.
Bus driver.
Bellboy.
And Jared.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck Jared he’s the biggest problem by far…
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
sure, you say I’m a problem now, but when I’m gone you will be BEGGING to have me back, you don’t lose talent like this and not regret it!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry Jared, you’re only a half powerbar
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
by Curt S on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
And not even the good kind.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Probably one of the nutty ones, not a very sweet one either.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Thugs and goons are a dying breed one day there won’t be a need for someone like you in our community!
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m also the best damned defensive defenceman you have here!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
idn… Skinny is pretty quick with shutting down the morons these days…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
he’s inconsistant
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
He’s still young… but that potential is undeniable.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
you always just stuck to the game plan, no imagination
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I want a Burke cam in the upper right corner during all broadcasts
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I think he only moves for a solid offensive player or two, they desperately need scoring.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Jonathan Quick, one of the top 5 goalies in the league, gets moved for an offensive player so Jonathan ‘.900 goaltending’ Bernier takes his place?
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Depending on the player. I don’t think its likely he moves by any means.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Name scorers with more impact on the game than a .933 sv% goaltender with a 1.91 GAA.
I already gave you one, Crosby, but that’s only when he’s 1.5ppg Crosby from early last season.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Yeah, it’s pretty tough to go on a losing streak with .930+ goaltending. I should know, we had Hasek.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Wait, Hasek was a Flyer?
I must have missed that…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
And look how LA’s making use of it. Clinging to 8th.
That's "Da-ooo". Oh, and I tweet now too @dannyd1976.
last in the league in scoring will do that to you.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
With Quick even putting up a .915 svp which is above league average the Kings would’ve let it 27 more goals this year. With how little they are scoring those 27 goals could easily be worth even just 5 of their wins. 10 less points would put them 3rd last in the NHL right now.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Claude Giroux has a $3.5M cap hit.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nowhere near the impact of .933 goaltending. Not even close. Bruins finished 2nd in the league last year with nobody scoring more than 62pts.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I have more faith that Claude Giroux will continue to outperform his $3.75M for the next 2 years than Jon Quick putting up .933 over that same period though.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry $3.75M
FOR THE NEXT 2 YEARS AFTER THIS ONE AS WELL
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
.930+ goaltending is worth 10+ wins. Claude Giroux is probably worth about 6.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
i want both!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Like I showed above. Even if Quick had a .915 svp thats 27 more goals allowed. Thats worth at least 5 of their wins with how little they score.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
but that’s only when he’s 1.5ppg Crosby from early last season.
He’s actually 1.5ppg Crosby this season too
/3SAAlert
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
the only “number one” goalies that can be had for by trade are still unproven guys like Schneider and Bernier
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much. Limited options. Schneider in particular would cost a lot.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
And is Bernier gonna be that much of an upgrade?
I was mulling over what LA might be willing to part with, and what the Leafs have, and I wonder if MacArthur and a pick would be enough to get Bernier? It’d be even better if we could get Johnson as well, maybe swapping Schenn for him (similar contracts, both even out the salary commitments).
I wonder if MacArthur and a pick would be enough to get Bernier?
I doubt it. Not sure LA sees that package and thinks it’s enough to take away their young goalie.
From an LA perspective I don’t see that being enticing at all.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
He is there best player, signed for another year, cheap, and FUCKING CARRYING THE TEAM. They will trade outside of the core to supplement the team.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
urgh
this team.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 22, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions
After watching the highlights this morning, I’m so glad the game wasn’t on TV last night out west. Man that would have been a roller coaster ride.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
happy stat of the day #1
Phil Kessel is the only person (so far) to have scored 30+ goals in each of the last 4 seasons.
Presumably others will get there, and other players have more total, but Kessel is still a stud.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 22, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
god damned right he is. Clutch goal last night to steal a point.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
God bless Phil Kessel.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Phil Kessel = God
Jonas Gustavsson = Unsure
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Jonas Gustavsson = Unsure Satan
he’s working against Kessel
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
/notserious… btw
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Unheralded stat from last night
Phil Kessel tied his career high in points (64) with that 3rd period goal.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
pretty sure the commentators pointed that out during the game….
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
You guys still listen to commentators during the game? I mute the shit out of that stuff now.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I like the sounds of the ice, wish I could block out most commentators other than Bowen, but alas, I accept them just to hear the game as well.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you
That made me smile.
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Being a Leafs fan is a special kind of hell. I’ve been trying to get my little sister into hockey and last night I actually started questioning whether I should still be aiming to make her care about the Leafs. Why would I pass this burden down? No child deserves to see anything like that OT goal happen to their team. It’s unhumane.
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I don’t care how badly we play, Leafs til I die.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
That’s how I feel, I’m in it for life. But she doesn’t love them yet, should I do this to her??
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I hate being a Leafs fan, but, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
is the quote I’ve had hanging on my wall at work for the last 4 years now. You can imagine how people react when they see it (most who see it are Red Wings fans).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hey I console myself by thinking “at least the Leafs aren’t as bad as the Cubs…”
/hangsheadinshame
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
but everyone outside Chicago loves the Cubs.
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
True… no one hates the Cubs… why would you? So just think, in another 50 years people won’t hate the Leafs.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
i just saw the 30in30 on steve bartman and scapegoats…
Made me realize all the big game 6 series winning failures were followed up by the team that lost game 6 sucking it up in game 7.
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
Yeah, I generally don’t blame Bartman… Alou wasn’t likely to catch that anyway. That and they still absolutely blew that game and the rest of the series.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
last night I actually started questioning whether I should still be aiming to make her care about the Leafs.
You’re an awful person
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
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by leafer1984 on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess so. I’m trying to spare her a lifetime of frustration and heartbreak.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
And all of this will have been worth it. Yes. Thank you for reminding me. Last night made me a bit melodramatic.
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by runaroundkid on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Man a bad little stretch here and a whole fan base is on the ledge
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welcome to the bottom of our bipolar swing, would you like some medication? we have a choice of manic mouse and the blue bird of unhappiness
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
oh damn, I never heard about these! I’ll take some blue bird of happiness, please.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
here ya go
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
all is well, guys. We’re going to make the playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Shit gets real in the "Centre of the Hockey Universe"
Clinging to the tightrope that separates playoffs and the worst spot in the standings 6 days before the trade deadline, yup it’s stressful
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I live in Toronto too, and the fact that I know you can’t listen to radio the day after a leafs loss says something about the leafs fans
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I would never listen to the radio talk about the Leafs…. except for TSN 1050 when they’re talking to Jonas Siegel, James Mirtle or Darren Dreger.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
ugh…talk radio in any form…
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
I’ve been listening to Marek vs. Wyshynski since it got posted here. I actually enjoy it…..I think its on radio….I dont actually listen to radio directly, I dont think I’ve done so for….oh 10 years.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Going .500 over the last 7 games would have them in 7th place, ahead of Ottawa, and a full 7 pts clear of 9th. These Leafs have never been able to distance themselves when opportunities arise.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
but your still in eighth with only Winnipeg and Washington as a true competitor to you. And games in hand on Winnipeg
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
The only reason we’re still in 8th is due to the SE’s division’s similar incompetence.
Leafs should be much lower and will be if they keep losing games.
Plus the schedule going forward is awful for us.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
your playing washington who is at the lowest point ever. Tampa Bay whose blowing up despite how close they are to the playoffs…Florida who appears to be somewhat realizing how bad they actually suck.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
TBL is “close” to the playoffs but they know its just a mirage. We went on a tear last year but were just too far back, especially with all these 3 point games.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
true but I just think its funny that its like Yzerman is being intelligent and using that thought process, but for the team its like everytime they win he cuts their legs out from under them. Hilarious.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it must be tough for the current team, and for season ticket holders this year as well. But I think Yzerman is doing the right thing. He’s got one generational player, two aging stars and a solid young defenseman to build on, but everything else is spare parts. The current iteration isn’t working, so try again.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be more optimistic if it looked like the team was about to get out of their current funk.
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that game last night other then the goalie mistakes was a good game by the team and a sign for me watching that they may have turned the corner. Hopefully they can rally around Gus and his mistakes during the game and really put a good game out there against San Jose, because as a fan of the coyotes I play San Jose a lot. They are not as good as you’ve heard.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
It took us a period to figure out we had to chip and chase to get around NJ’s overload. Still we kept turning it over at the line….
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
has it been mentioned how fucking stupid it is that the panthers are 3rd in the division with the same amount of points as the leafs?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
So glad the NHLPA struck down the realignment proposal so we could continue with this divisional setup.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I don’t give a shit about realignment really, but the playoff seeding has to be revamped
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t change it all that much to be honest, I like that it counts for something. I really don’t like the proposed division system.
So here is the fix:
Division winners are seeded in the conference top 4, based on their records. However, if a division winner is not good enough for 8th they miss the playoffs, period.
i don’t know, but it’s the worst playoff formatting ever. Who cares if you lead a shitty division, you suck. 9th place for you
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
its less exciting that way, this makes the eventual conference finals run all the more epic
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
A bad little stretch?
8 years or 7 seasons of no playoff hockey is a “bad little stretch”?
I think I’m not alone when I say that it’s very difficult to compartmentalize individual seasons at this point when you’re dealing with 7 seasons of futility. It’s real hard to see these games as just more unfortunate losses when we’ve been dealing with years of this.
Having to listen to fans of other teams mock us, fire the same old lame narratives in our faces plain sucks. We’re getting to the point where it’s statistically impossible for us to have not made the postseason, for god’s sake Florida will probably make the playoffs this year. The train wreck that is the Islanders has made it since the lock-out.
I just want something positive to happen for us. I think we’ve all deserved it.
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in the cosmic sense it is just a little blip
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Having to listen to fans of other teams mock us, fire the same old lame narratives in our faces plain sucks
you really think there is anything that would ever change this?
the Leafs would be all but guarenteed a playoff spot if they were in the same division that Florida is in.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Winning a Cup would shut a lot of people up, if only temporarily.
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no it wouldnt
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously? A lot of the Sens, Habs and Flames fans that I associate with would probably spend the whole year avoiding me, rather than texting me 8000 times after every Leafs loss. The MLSE doesn’t need/want to win crap would dissapear.
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you honnest to god think you would stop getting chirped for being a leafs fan if they won the cup?
it would be all of 4 seconds before some Habs fan tweeted “took you long enough LOL 40+ year drought!”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It will never stop, but at least hey, we’d have a Cup. In my lifetime.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Having a recent cup would only lend other fans to hating the Leafs more (especially the Canada based ones). So fuck ‘em. If they can’t get over it, that’s their problem. I don’t listen much to other fans anyway when they talk about the Leafs.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Other fans will always hate us. If anyone here can’t handle that, there’s the door.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
They hate the Leafs because they’re fans of another team. To expect any less of them would be to expect any of us to not hate the Habs. I’m fine with things the way they are.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont mind people who hate the Leafs if they are rival fans, what irritates me is people who hate the Leafs more than they like their own team
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you just need to be older. Leafs have won several cups in my lifetime.
/smug.
OK, that doesn’t really help at all…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts too. We are still in eigth, our PK is still improving, we have a pretty damn good cast of young and talented forwards, and a good core to build around. We’re in a slump and have serious questions in net, but we shouldn’t be this down.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bit my tounge on this last night
mostly because i didn’t want to join in the “RABBLE RABBLE BITCH BITCH” fest that normally happens after an upsetting game.
But I’m going to throw it out there:
I don’t like the way this team plays hockey. And I don’t think we can blame it on the players.
There, grievances aired. Might be that i’m bitter over the current stretch of play. but if I see one more weak one handed poke to the line but not out, causing yet another defensive turnover I will scream.
ugh, go Leafs go.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
They outplayed New jersey badly for large stretches last night so…
other then the bad goals that was a win by the leafs.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
other then the bad goals that was a win by the leafs.
New motto for the last 3 years?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I came out of the woodwork only because of those self deprecating comments that make it look like your in this terrible position, but come find me when your GM can only spend to the floor and barely that.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’d never switch places with the PHX franchise, and that’s one of the reasons.
At the very least, the oversaturation and crazy funding the Leafs get at least allows them to maximize every opportunity from a front office, cap space, salary perspective.
But really, once you have that and still aren’t producing it’s like… where are the excuses now?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
if the leafs were forced to the cap floor they woudlnt have had the money to sign those bad contracts
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Can I say
That the issue is not just the goaltending? Yes, neither Gus nor Reimer have shown much consistency this season. However, one big problem with the Leafs is the lack of commitment to playing sound hockey in the defensive zone by all five skaters on the ice. Poor board work, blind weak passes, inability to clear the zone, missed defensive assignments, poor gap control.
The Leafs continue to play a wide-open system despite very obvious issues in goal. The inability or refusal by Ron Wilson to tighten up the Leafs defensive and neutral zone play is a big contributor to the problem. The Leafs need to find a new goalie for next season to play with Reimer, but they need to find a new coach as well, because the same issues are plaguing this team that plagued this team every year Wilson has been here.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Feb 22, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
HOORAY! WE’RE THINKING THE SAME THING!
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by thenumber14 on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
It’s why I’m not in favour of keeping Wilson past this season, particularly if we don’t make the playoffs. I don’t think our system is working very well and I think it really exposes our defensive weakness unnecessarily, in order to focus on speed.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs miss the playoffs, Burke has no choice but to let him go.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
pretty much. I know we aren’t an amazing team but I didn’t expect this level of suckitude late in the season.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Also, teams have picked up on his systems and are now exploiting it.
Play physical, take time and space away from our forwards
Hard forecheck,
Jam the boards up with players to retain the zone
pressure on the D in the offensive zone
I see different teams doing the same thing to us game in and game out and wilson just sits there like " ho hum, on my ipad this play worked perfectly"
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by thenumber14 on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel has very little room skating into the zone these days….
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
i understand that we’re not a physical group, and wilson is not preaching a physical game, but at some point his strategy has to change.
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by thenumber14 on Feb 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
hes all but said that was what was going to happen so I guess your fan base’s desire to see this team fail will finally allow you to remove yourself from Wilson.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the Capitals. They play the same way the Leafs do: wide-open. They’ve opened it up even more under Hunter and they’re getting killed at ES.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Doesn’t SJ also play a similar style though? Hell even Philly does.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
SJ plays a hybrid boring game half the time. I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised at how bad SJ is. I’ve watched them ten times this year and every time I’m actually shocked at how surprisingly mediocre they are.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
SJS can actually play defense.
And Philly’s goaltending gets exposed just as much as ours…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Right. Philadelphia is winning because they score an insane amount of goals.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
So… Rick Nash may INDEED solve our problems.
Excellent.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
in order to focus on playing exciting hockey
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
right, but its not like the choice is between Wilson’s system and the NJ “bore you to death” system. There’s middle ground.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll trade a few years of NJD style of hockey for a legitimate shot at a Stanley Cup.
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its so easy everyone is doing it!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but we’re not even trying.
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the best comparable team to the Leafs using the “new jersey” style right now is the yotes, and they have 4 whole more points
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t insult my team by suggesting we play that style. We are far more boring then that. If were up don’t even try just pack it in your not even entering the zone.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Budget teams gotta do what budget teams gotta do
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
were barely even a budget team. Imagine what we’d be if we could waste millions like the rest of the league
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
The Buffalo Sabres?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
imagine how mad you guys would be if you lost good version of schenn because you couldn’t afford him.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
good version of schenn
Brayden? Burke tried his bestest!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I assume she means Zbynek Michalek
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
I know what she meant. Snarkiness is part of my charm.
I think.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
The most amazing part of my comment was that i spelled Zbynek Michalek correctly without looking it up.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
thats pure skill lol I never even tried to free hand his crazy name
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
yes they do. And we survive despite the fact that we get millions less to spend then you do.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
so when you get paid, do they show how much they are withdrawing to pay for your organization to not collapse?
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
you guys still spend more than 8 other teams in the league.
Sorry if I don’t have sympathy.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
glad we can be lumped with the Florida’s of the world
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
If the fanbase (in general not just you) was more supportive maybe you wouldn’t be, just saying.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
hey I hope we leave pheonix, I’m a fan of the team. I live in Toronto so I’d love the Hamilton Coyotes or whomsoever.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I live in Toronto
And you’re not a leaf fan.
For shame, for shame
/shakes finger
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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yeah but would you plunk hard earned money down and invest in something that may be yanked away from you at season end.
Shit that picture of the kid crying after what could have been the ’Yotes last home game broke my heart.
up to the whole balsille shenanigans that may have worked but since? i don’t blame anyone for being cautious.
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
You meant the team that has made the playoffs the last two years, despite having no owner, constant uncertainty about where they’ll be playing hockey the next season and barely spends any money?
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oh im sorry, i totally missed the part where they were a perennial cup contender
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to say where they’d be if they could spend up to the cap.
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so far you have, at best, proven that playing shitty boring hockey with mediocre talent gets you a low seed playoff birth and no success past the 1st round
huzzah, give me some of that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Try losing the best player on your team year after year and being only able to sign the bargain bin players.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Philly told me you can have Bryz back.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mean bryz he was insulated by our system. I mean zybenek. I mean Turris. I mean Belanger. I mean upshall. Shall I continue.
I’d take your guys melodrama about your coach and goalie any day over my teams real problems.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
You're always welcome on the bandwagon!
But seriously, Leafs do have “Real” problems. Just because they’re different from yours doesn’t make them less real.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry I was a little aggressive I’m just bouncing between the different doom and gloom conversations on this and got a tad bit depressed.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
oh its not a dig at the yotes, doing the best you got with what you have is admirable
but its not a model that the Leafs should emulate
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
agreed we only play because we have to. I really do think you guys are on the right path. Just stay the road.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
But Wilson could tell his forwards to try to hold up or obstruct the forecheckers from entering the zone – the other team must love being able to skate into the zone
remember that thing where the Leafs play disciplined hockey so they dont get lit the fuck up on the PK?
yeah, not throwing obstruction on opposing forwards is a big part of that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
So…… how come other teams can do it then??
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
they for the most part don’t?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
What I mean is, why can other teams hold up the opponents at the blue line (like last night) but the leafs can’t - without taking an interference penalty?
Skill? Coaching? Ref bias??
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
not being particularly good defensively and over coaching to avoid penalties
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
you know… like the rules say they’re supposed to be able to? Refs need to call intereference more?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I bet that is Wilson’s reasoning “fuck winning, I want this shit to be exciting! fans love it when we get blown out right?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I’m kind of thinking we play this style because we committed to bringing in personnel to play this style and lack the players necessary to start playing Devils hockey.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs don’t have to play the 1-3-1 or the Devils old trap. But some kind of significant, long-term commitment to playing better defensive zone hockey would be nice.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Maybe Dallas Eakins has a slightly better style.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
They dont have the personnel to play that style tho
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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which they should get called for interference for doing. Not to get all tin foil hat.. but you know the refs would jump all over the Leafs for doing that
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Wilson is telling Schenn to miss hits at centre ice, taking himself out of the play and creating odd man rushes.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s the plan guys: Luke we need you to miss a hit at center ice pulling you out of position, Gardiner you need to totally over play the guy with the puck. Later we need Dion to have the puck bounce over his stick at the blueline, leading to a 2 on 1
Actual dressing room quote from Wilson
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
it’s so brilliant it might just…..No Gus, NO!
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I’m on board with the whole “new coach..thing”..
Seems like that idea is kind oif working in Ottawa, Florida, St louis even Anaheim
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
and washingto…..oh…right
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
4 out of 5 ain’t bad.
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 22, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Carolina and Montreal also.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
I think the jury’s still out on Carolina.. Montreal..err thats just a clusterfuck
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Feb 22, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
If there’s any silver lining to the 2011/2012 season is that Montreal is a fucking disaster.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and you know that little fact that right now your in the PLAYOFFS.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Ya…. if you took a poll right now, not just with the Leafs but with the entire NHL, most would probably see the Leafs falling out before the season is over.
Hell, even Hockey-reference predict us ending in 9th.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
well polling is nice but I’d prefer to look at the actual games, and outside of this stretch you guys are a playoff team. The world hates you guys bad, I wouldn’t really go to external polling and hope it finds a positive spin for you.
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by Yotes Lover on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
The world hates you guys bad
THEY DO?!??
Okay forget the poll, the H=R probability math says we end in 9th.
Then again, Sportsclubstats has us squeeking into 8th.
So… we’re exactly where we predicted we’d be at the start of the year. Ugh.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of a funny link when you look at the percentages. Washington in 8th with 43.7% probability vs us in 9th with 52.5%; same with points .. is it because wash has a game in hand?
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
A temporary awesome point.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ironically enough screen cap was taken after the 13th game.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
DOESN’T COUNT
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
You know what is genuinely funny about this?
Washington.
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I don’t know what to say to this comment other than it really wasn’t gloating, rather pointing out that everyone was telling me “Leafs wont’ last” but for the Caps it was “business as usual” and then both took their tumble. I don’t know why I can’t have a laugh over that.
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In what school?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Canada is weird.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Wasn’t an A- in my school, most teachers refused to give out minuses. Really, what’s an A- than nothing more than a B+?
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
3.3 vs. 3.7 in GPA calculations
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
GPA doesn’t even translate 1:1 from school to school in Canada…
woo 12pt GPA system.
I still don’t know how it works after 3 years
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
pluses and minuses are stupid outside of an A+ which means you were super awesome.
“well you didn’t quite get an A….”
then it’s a fucking B.
Championships = Money. Companies love making money. Except ML$E apparently
I hate the letter system in general… give me the % and I’ll be fine.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
80% was an A- when I was in high school.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
was a solid B when I was there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, not proud, just showing how things have changed
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter ’cause I had a 94 average anyway, just sayin
/explanibrag
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was above 80% was A- above 87 was A and above 94 was A+ at least thats how I remember it
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not in Canada. But even though 80+ is an A-, most people don’t get them. Bs are the average.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Average grade in most university courses in Canada high 60s/low 70s. When I used to TA I was actually told to stop being so nice because the average I was giving was like 73/74, something like that.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I feel even better about my 85.6% average in highschool now
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Why the hell were those people spending thousands of dollars on college?
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by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
The best were kids in my engineering program taking pre-calculus their freshman year. Just quit. It’s not going to work out for you.
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by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
There was this one kid who wrote an op-ed in the school newspaper title “Disgruntled Customer” where he attacked certain professors for making their courses too hard and the path to a degree too difficult.
I wrote a rebuttal in the next issue calling him an idiot for being a 5th year student stuck in 3rd year courses. He dropped out after that semester.
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by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
You grade to an average, not an absolute. An “average” paper in any given course gets about a 70. If the current year’s “average” is better than normal, then it still only gets a 70. Yes, it is a bullshit system. The idea is to limit the number of good grades. I took a 3rd year history course where I got an 81 and the professor told me it was the highest mark he gave out that semester.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
man if the average was 70 I must be a genius, I never got less than 80 on a paper. I assumed it was because others were just crappier at writing papers than me.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I got that too in one of my psych classes.
I know Laurier profs tend to be very hard markers to the point of having to bell curve exams.
1st year 2nd term chem they had to bell curve the final just so at least half the class passed the exam. The 5 year running average for that course is 55%. 1st year 1st term chem average for the same time period is 74%… same people 19% worse marks… ridiculous
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Or do you mean course IN university and not university level courses in highschool?
cause My uni average is only 78.2
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
The former. It’s called the Freshmen 15, where new university students gain 15 points while losing 15% of their average.
I much prefered the harder marking, though. In high school I could sneeze on a paper, hand it in and get an 80. In uni, I had to work much harder to get that. When I got my first 90 on an essay, I did literal screaming and cartwheels. This was considered bad form as I found out at the end of my exam, with other people still writing.
Yeah, my marks went up between high school and undergrad, and then up again once I got to grad school. To be fair, I didn’t do half the assignments in high school.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
That’s odd. I even remember reading a newspaper article about the mark differential three or four years ago. They interviewed someone who had a 94% in high school, and on her first essay she only got a mid-70 in uni. She was quoted as saying something like ‘I didn’t know what I could do to make that a better essay,’ and the whole tone of the article was “Do Our Universities Expect Too Much?”
Of course, the tone should have been, “Is High School Doing Enough To Prepare Students For The University Experience?”
there is also a lot of “profs dont explain what they want very well”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
both of which hinges on the “we don’t train professors how to teach” and “high schools are encouraged not to hold students back”
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Yep it goes from handholding lets get you passed highschool regardless to “hey you’re on your own now please an expert in the field”
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Well, I can’t quite agree with that, but there is a lot of expectation that students come to University with developed reasoning and writing skills. Mainly, undergrads are expected to manage themselves rather than a sort of nagging system that is in high school – professors won’t ask twice for an assignment.
As well, a big issue is “University education is a business more than anything, so who cares about their success/worthless degrees”
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And also “high school curriculum doesn’t even try to be useful or relevant”.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hey – sometimes University curriculum suffers the same issues.
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especially for art history students. I still don’t understand why so many people take stuff like that. It most likely won’t help you get anywhere, and ends up costing you a lot of money to sound smart about art.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
sure, but then don’t complain about how you can’t find a job and have 20,000 in debt.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
True enough. At the same time, I wish the following conversation happened less:
Her: What’s your major?
Me: Philosophy.
Her: Oh. What are you going to do with that?
Me: [sigh] Solve the big questions in life.
The fact that this conversation is usually held across the counter at Starbucks is pure coincidence
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
actually a solid philosophy student (read: more than a BA) can attract jobs because their analysis skills can be quite good. Same with English Lit. students that are really good at what they do: they can breakdown complex issues, understand the meaning in texts (not to be underrated, a lot of university students cant do that) and articulate their analysis clearly.
So all hope is not lost. Those are good skills. It’s just with Art History….this isn’t really something that’s as well developed. I’m sure its quite interesting, however.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Preservation of human culture is pretty important.
by stevesmith19 on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Again, not saying it’s totally useless just that:
A) Way too many people take it
B) Way too many people who take it complain about the lack of job prospects and/or expect to be employable afterwards.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the same thing happening to me, it’s hard for me not to get overconfident in first year :P
I wouldn’t get too worried, I was in a strange situation
I mean we both did IB, but I didnt really work that hard during IB at all so my grades were a little lower than they should have been
then I went to McMaster and got As all through my first year,
then I transferred to uOttawa for coop, where i’ve been sitting around a B-B+
Dont know about U of O, but at Carleton (where the K stands for Quality) I cleaned up pretty well. Lowest grade was a B (got screwed by an office closing too early to hand in a mini-test worth 5%), but generally walked away from any class with at least an A-.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the rough averages at UWO are
1st and 2nd year courses
68-71%
3rd year courses
73-75%
4th year courses
77ish%
(Only honours students take 3rd and 4th year courses)
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And MIT got called out by the board of governors for having averages above 80…
I was referring to general UWO (I guess mostly social sci, sci, health sci, and humanities).
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you’re smart enough to get into MIT, then you probably should be getting 80s. I mean, realistically, these undergrads are competing with undergrads from other schools for post-graduate programs so it shouldnt surprise us that high calibre schools don’t grad to a standard C+ bell
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
It’s also plausible that “top” schools try to give out unusually high grades, especially to top students, so that the school looks better. If you’re an “elite” school and your top student has a 97 average, and “average” schools have top students with marks in the high 80s, you can say “Look, this is proof that our school is great, our top students have grades a full 10 points higher than other schools!”
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it doesn’t really work that way. What top schools want, ideally, is to have their top students end up being extensively published. You don’t really want to be throwing kids through your program with high grades if they can’t hack it in the academic world. Ideally you want to correlate grades with academic or professional success.
Benjamin Graham at Harvard famously only ever gave out one A+ during his time as a professor and it was to Warren Buffett. That’s a pretty strong eye for talent when you consider the brains that make their way through business school there
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
BBA and MBA programs at Laurier are apparently (2nd hand info at best here) well known for never bell curving even a single assignment.
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I can’t speak to the MBA but their BBAs don’t for sure — at least not expressly so. I think it’s a little natural in some more subjective classes to inherently grade to an unintentional bell
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
unintentional bells can work against the students as well.
If the prof gets one of the best reports/essays at the top of the pile they could be more harsh on it and say only give it an 80%. However the next essay is worse and the teacher gives it a 70%. However if that 70% was marked first it could’ve gotten an 80% and the 80% would’ve had to be marked higher because it was better…
I liked how my one prof countered that. Over the years she collected 5 or 6 essays in the 60-85% range and then the only essay she said she ever gave 95% to. She would read those essays again first so she had set marks to already compare them too. Also she put 2 of those essays up online with their marks so you could know exactly what you were being compared too.
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I can state unequivically it is prety much impossible to fail out of Harvard. Besides, its not all smart kids….about 1/3 (back in the early 2000s anyways) were legacy students (e.g. related to someone who went there or donated/donates a lot of money)
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
this is for BAs I am talking about too, with graduate school it’s quite different. It’s more merit based.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha I should have been way clearer
I was not referring to MIT, the very high end university in the states.
I was referring to Media Information Technoculture a program at Western.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Did Burke poll Leafs fans and get a result that said we’d rather watch exciting hockey and lose than watch us trap and win? Because I would of voted in the category of:Whatever it takes to win, I won’t fall asleep as long as we’re up by a goal or two"
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the same issues are plaguing this team that plagued this team every year Wilson has been here
What are you a new fan of the Leafs or new here? The same issues have been plaguing this team way before Wilson even got here. Looking at the way a few goals have gone in in this recent slump, one can easily blame the goalie, the defensemen, forwards or coaches for these obvious miscues and you wont be totally wrong, really.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, this is a no contest
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson has still not allowed a goal from 200 ft. away.
I can’t believe I had to knock on wood after saying that
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
i feel like Gus makes the big saves and lets in some week ones while riems saves everything that isnt an above average scoring chance
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Gustavsson lets in every kind of chance he just throws in a big flashy save every now and then to give people home
Reimer stops plenty of high percentage shots and above average scoring chances, and has let in his fair share of softies
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but how many goals did Toskala and/or Raycroft give up on shots wide of the net?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
toskala? one, and it was much worse than gus’
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna go with Raycroft. I mean, Toskala is shit, but neither of Raycroft’s Leaf seasons were over .894. Raycroft played on a better Leafs team, and sunk what should’ve been a genuine cup contender. Then, he tries to tell everyone he did okay because of his win/loss record? Come on.
Let me put it this way: Andrew Raycroft’s Leaf seasons aspire to be Vesa Toskala’s first season of .904, and it probably cost Sundin and the Leafs a playoff run in a year where the Senators went to the finals. I hate Vesa Toskala, but fuck Andrew Raycroft.
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by Bower Power on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
we werent a genuine cup contender post lockout, sorry. Playoff team? Yeah.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
9th best in GF, team goaltending of .910 would’ve moved the Leafs to 209 GA – from 25th to 8th. Shore up the back end and that was a damn good team.
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by Bower Power on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Holy Shit! Winterpeg goalie saves 50 last night
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Generationally bad
Toskala
Me in net
Really Bad
Raycroft
Old CuJo
Old Belfour
Bad
Tellqvist
Aubin
Gusstavvson
Poor
Gerber
Giggy
Okay
Reimer!
….
…..
Good
…..
…..
Great
…..
…..
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d rank Gerber better than Giggy…. but other wise
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
he’d have stopped that OT goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
A centre who can play tough minutes on the top line? I’d say that’s something we need.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
yup, he got that hatty last night. we could use him
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don’t want him to score goals, I want him to stop the other team from scoring when Kessel and Lupul are on the ice.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness to Carter, is he not a very good penalty killer and generally considered a + defensive forward? I think people fixate on not needing forwards just because we’re a decent goal scoring team but I do think we could use a guy that brings a three zone game. Imagine Carter and Grabo down the middle?
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
a quality d responsible scoring center between kess and lupul? no no we dont need that
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 10:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
its like buying a steak dinner when all you need is a power bar, and your roof is leaking and the mob is going to break your legs for not paying them the money you borrowed from them
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I don’t actually think that the cost to acquire Carter is that high and I think he’s probably an efficient contract for most of the length of his deal. Getting Carter wouldn’t mean that we couldn’t do other things as well, either.
It addresses a need that I think we have, anyway. There are other needs too -don’t get me wrong- but dealing with one doesn’t preclude dealing with the others
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
the message is that everyone loves steak, and if we end up with steak then hey, yummy steak, but we should probably be focusing our attentions elsewhere
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, if that’s your point then I definitely agree. I just feel like a player of Carter’s calibre isn’t likely to come available at such a low cap hit and at such a low cost of acquisition very often. I see him as an opportunity.
As far as goalies go, we probably have to wait for the offseason unless Garth Snow lowers the asking price on Nabokov a little bit.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Leafs aren’t 1 piece away, if we can add another good forward, great.
If we can add a good defenseman (Suter), great.
If we can somehow get good goaltending, awesome.
Ideally we’ll need upgrades in all 3 over the next few years if they want to be a contender.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much, if the opportunity presents itself, you have to snag the best players you can at a reasonable price
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, not complicated. We need better players.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
if the opportunity presents itself
Yup. Never thought the Leafs would have 3 opportunities to get Carter. (Kaberle, Kulemin+Kadri last summer, and now)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t wait to hear the story this time as to why we didn’t get him.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
“Price wasn’t right”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
The price is wrong, bitch!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Carter is good. We should trade for him if we can.
He’s not the answer in net but he’s a good player. There is no “one” saviour. Add talent when you can.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, Myers is injured this year, Carter COULD win the Vezina…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sarcasm aside i’d be happy if we had him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
He isn’t ideal but I’d take a chance on him over Nash because the cost to acquire him will be cheaper and his cap hit is significantly lower. Plus he is more versatile in that he is a center but could probably shift to wing and be successful if Leafs acquired/developed another top center.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
well he is no getzlaf but he is certainly an upgrade from bozak
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
its like buying a steak dinner when all you need is a power bar, and your roof is leaking and the mob is going to break your legs for not paying them the money you borrowed from them
Bozak is like two power bars and a twinkie for desert
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
bozak = half a power bar
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
40th in NHL scoring for a center while playing up to 9 games less than many players within 5 or less points than him
dont be obtuse
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness, if you’re the 40th center while skating with the 2nd and 3rd best scoring wingers (or whatever Lupul and Kessel are at the moment) then you’re probably not doing the greatest job offensively
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Though in his defense, he’s played 9 less games than a number of the players around him, and he’s hasn’t played with Kessel and Lupul for the entire season (as opposed to a number of top centers who have played with essentially the same players all season)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
well he’s played 10 less games than them, and did not spend all his games on the 1st line, so yeah, he isn’t a number one super star centre, but calling him useless is pretty absurd
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Bozak is a bit like an older Adam Henrique (Centering Parise/Kovalchuk)
He’s just doing whatever he can to stay in that sweet sweet spot. Take him off the 1st line and his point totals vanish.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
im not saying bozak is useless at all. just that if its a power bar that we need then bozak is half of that
by power-forward on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
how so? Bozak is doing his job admirably, the 1st line is scoring at a fevered pace, what the hell is needed from him? to be a PPG? how would that make the Leafs a much better team?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are confusing a need with a want
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
WE NEED SUPERSTAR CENTRE OR WE FAIL RAWR!!
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Bozak is doing half his job decently. He’s absolutely dreadful in his own end. And honestly, I’d like to see more than 23 assists out of a guy playing with Kessel and Lupul. Lupul has 39 assists right now, and he’s not exactly known as a playmaker.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Bozak has played maybe 40 games on the top line, so he has bout 0.5 apples a game with them
he clearly isn’t a number one center, but he gets way too much crap for being in over his head
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
In PPG for centers, Bozak’s #35.
Just ahead of Jeff Skinner, Brad Richards, Tomas Plekanec and Ryan Getzlaf. Anfd just behind Wiess, Krejci, and Kesler.
And no, he’s not a Datsyuk, Malkin, Toews or Thornton.
But if we can get one of them, sure, let’s do it!
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by not norm ullman on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
In pts/60, he’s 59th, ie. he’s a 3rd line centre.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
30 teams, 2 centers per
in the top 60? thats 2nd line hombre
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
OK, so Bozak is a 2nd line centre on the team with the 2nd worst centres in the league.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Whenever I say someone is a “first line centre” or “2nd pair defender” or whatever, I mean to imply that that’s where they’d fit on a good team. I don’t care what role someone could play on a horrible team.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
by points? sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
THIS POWER BAR IS GIVING ME ENERGY.
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by Bower Power on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bozak and power shouldn’t be used in the same sentence. Bozak is more like those Kraft Thinsations, mildly satisfying but always leaving you wanting more.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Just a thought on the concerns with taking on a big contract like Nash’s.
I think now that you have a legit prospect pool that should be able to fill the 3rd/4th line roles fairly soon, most salary cap issues moving forward can be managed. When Burke walked in, the cupboard was bare, so maybe he had to overpay for guys like Komisarek and Armstrong to ensure he had NHL players. But now that you have the flexibility, those guys won’t be overpaid for in free agency again. Get the stud and make your team a whole lot better.
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The problem with getting Nash has very little to do with his cap hit.
It has to do with the 4 young pieces it would take to get him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I should have added…if the player cost is reasonable. Just seems like a lot of people are saying no simply for the salary aspect of it.
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by TheBurnward on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
if the player cost is reasonable
Asking price seems to be 4+ pieces (3 young players/prosects +1st).
a lot of people are saying no simply for the salary aspect of it
A lot of people are dumb. I’d offer Parise that or more on July 1 if we could get him to a 5-7 year deal instead of a 15 year one.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Could be very possible.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Some one (likely NJ) will outbid for Parise. He won’t hit July 1.
And I will be sad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno that picture of him as a kid in a Leafs hat says, “There’s a chance!”
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
This is pending UFA Rick Nash all over again.
Except I seem to be more emotionally invested than everyone else.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Parise is better than Nash.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Also, I’m firmly on side with signing Parise as long as he doesn’t end up with a cap hit like $8 million a year for 10 years.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
If that’s what it took so be it.
We all know Burke would never do 10 years though.
Likely 5, maybe up to 7 if that’s what it took.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
its not so much JUST the contract, it is the contract plus the outgoing assets plus the it not filling either of the leafs major needs
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but if you can have Nash/Kessel in your top six for the next 7-8 years or so…that’s pretty solid.
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by TheBurnward on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Shit, imagine even thinking that was possible three years ago.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Feb 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Question,
why should Malkin even get Hart consideration? I mean, I personally think that Lundqvist or Quick should get it… but Malkin is sitting at an awesome 1.38ppg, which is great and all,
but Stamkos has a 1.19ppg on a MUCH WORSE team, and craziest of all, he has a .71gpg (to Malkin’s .62). Number 3 is Kessel at .52. Stamkos is DOMINATING.
Because we all know that the MVP of the league is just who ever scores the most points and/or goals
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
All the talk is to give it to Malkin, who will have the most points..
I dont think it should be
by Ben Schnell on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I agree completely… that’s just the way the league (or is it the writers?) decides it.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Stamkos is so valuable, he’s got his team sitting in 11th. I’m of the belief that if your team doesn’t make the playoffs, you shouldn’t win the Hart.
Furthermore, hell yeah Malkin should be a Hart finalist.
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I’m of the belief that the MVP should go to the literal “most valuable” player. The way I interpret that, is which player, if removed, would have the biggest negative impact on the team (I am undecided if he should be replaced by league average or whoever is behind him).
By that definition it would be (and IMHO should be) a goalie most years. 2 years ago Bryz or Miller should definitely have won it. This year it should be Quick’s (if they make the playoffs) without a doubt (lowest scoring team making hte playoffs?), or Lundy’s otherwise.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno. MVP usually goes to an important player on a team that does well and LA, for as good as Quick has been, are struggling to stay in the playoff hunt. While they’d be last in the league without him (128GF 131GA and a 27-21-12 record despite it), it really is more about their whole team not giving him any support. Besides, why Lundqvist and Quick but not Elliot who has better numbers?
There is also “the goaltender is always the MVP of a team in that sense which is why there is a Vezina” argument.
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I don’t like giving the Hart to a goalie, that’s what the Vezina is for. I think the Hart trophy this year should go to Datsyuk, who has been the best skater in the league.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
50 goals or no hart
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get that. The most valuable player should win it. You remove Malkin from Pittsburgh and they could still be in it. You remove Quick and they are in last.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if they were winning their division with the fewest scored goals in the league, I’d be inclined to agree. But as a bubble team who’ll probably miss the playoffs, doesn’t really matter how good Quick is.
Also, the argument is a bit lame because if you “remove Quick” you have to put someone back. Who’s to say Bernier wouldn’t have had a similar season and some of the good games by Quick weren’t because of team defense. (I admit fully to not having seen the games.)
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I hate the “valuable” portion of the award, it’s way too ambiguous. NHL should have three awards:
1. Vezina – best goalie
2. Norris – best defender
3. Gretzky (or some such) – best forward
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is a start
Have those three awards.
Then have the best player award.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that is a start
Have those three awards.
Then have the best player award.
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by BCapp on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that is a start
Have those three awards.
Then have the best player award.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Start that is
Three Awards should you have.
Best player then you can name
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
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In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Ha – anyone have Rob’s stats?
Fancystats preferably.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got really strong rate stats like 1500 Comments/30
But you’ll likely be taking a major hit in snarkiness +/- and troll-adjusted ban rate.
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And in lovable unbelievably dumb mascots…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder what his PPPe (or Sbnation equivalency) figures are.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Bah, we traded Jared and he wouldn’t waive to go to a different blog. Chemmy will do the same.
We got a repeat of the Muskoka 5 thing going on here, and their screwing us out of getting some new commenting blood in the room.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
First half Dion: 28 pts, +2
Second half Dion: 6 pts, -9 (through 19 games)
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
That Corsi chart I posted on the weekend doesn’t tell the whole story, but it was a pretty bad trend downward as the season goes on.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
interestingly, Phaneuf took the puck to the face in game 40.
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Are you suggesting he is afraid of the puck now and wants nothing to do with it?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Dion looks absolutely exhausted to me. On the bench, struggling over at the end of a shift, you name it.
Dude took puck to face, but also has had a few fights. Those take a toll. Wish we could get him a break.
He’s beat. You could see it last night.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 22, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
having Gunnar back should help a bit in terms of relieving some ice time.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Not really that pairing is still gunna play 25+ minutes a night most nights. What we need is the 2nd and 3rd pairing to finally step up and play 38+ minutes a night combined so we can reduce Dions ice time to 20-22 minutes for a few games down the stretch
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Positive Stats With Small Sample Sizes
Tyler Biggs has 3 points in his last 2 games!
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I wish NCAA would post TOI stats. I’ve been giving him a ton of leniancy on his production based on the assumption that rookies get limited minutes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you definitely have to make some inferences. The fact that he has 5 ppp (out of 16) tells me he’s probably getting decent quality icetime but he’s also 8th on the team in shots so he probably isn’t seeing as much ice as most of his teammates.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
At the very least we probably don’t have to worry about him taking a 10 year deal with the KHL….
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Actually his stats give me some hope, I mean we drafted Eric Knodel a while back and he didn’t even play his freshman year. So Biggs is getting time and putting up decent points at the NCAA level, especially for a freshman. I’ll take the small positives now because that pick confused the hell out of me.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
He actually got drafted below slot based on ISS rankings (if I’m not mistaken). The reason so many people dislike the choice is because it’s ‘safe’. Biggs will almost certainly be an NHLer but he will also likely not be a top-6 forward.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Safe isn’t sexy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
And he’s also a Burke-type so all the people who hate Burke were quick to jump on it. I dunno, I prefer drafting high-ceiling guys but if nothing else, he wont get his ELC until he’s 21 or 22 and ready to play in the NHL (or close to it). He’ll be a cost effective 3rd line player with size for quite a while. Tough to argue too hard against the pick
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I don’t think we can say definitively he’s only going to be a 3rd liner. He’s got a long development path ahead.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
fact is, he is playing probably at best 3rd line mins in a league with a varied and wide range of numbers to compare him to
how about we just let him develop a little before we throw absolute ceilings on the guy?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
that’s my view. He’s what….19? Playing against 21/22/23 year olds? The fact he’s even 0.5 PPG as a freshman is actually pretty nice. It’ll be good to follow his progress over the next few years – but he doesn’t even sniff the AHL for at LEAST two more years after this but probably three. At least 4 or 5 years before he even has a shot at making the team, so there’s plenty of time to let him develop.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve got to play the odds though.
I would say Puempel has a better likelihood of being a top-6 forward whereas Biggs would have a better likelihood of being an NHL player. Of course, all we can do is offer a best guess but the best guess on Biggs is almost unanimously that he’s unlikely to develop into a top-6 forward. It could happen but it’s not likely.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
man, that low, even in the first round, and its a crap shoot.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is safe to say that Burke and his scouting staff and assistant GM’s know hockey a great deal better than we do, and it is silly to call a player a bust or slap a 3rd line ceiling on him as it is to place a “generational” label on a guy like RNH
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is safe to say that Burke and his scouting staff and assistant GM’s know hockey a great deal better than we do
I dunno, I do comment on internet boards a lot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I put extra stock in this given that they traded up to get Biggs, and that two teams (including scouting superpower the Detroit Red Wings) wanted in on him. So I sleep better at night believing that yes, Burke and his staff know alot more than I do.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lucic wasn’t supposed to develop into one either…
Also the thing with Biggs over Puemple is if Puemple doesn’t score he probably doesn’t make the NHL for very long. If Biggs doesn’t score he can sit on a teams 3rd/4th line for 10 years.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
What is a Burke-type?
I’m so confused right now
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
a good player
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Nice guy type, good in the room
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
his milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
American, obviously
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
ugh
Biggs will almost certainly be an NHLer but he will also likely not be a top-6 forward.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
That's an inference, but do you actually have his TOI info or watch him play?
Not being snarky, I’m honestly interested. If he’s only getting 3rd/4th line minutes + some PP time, then limited point production is expected.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, it "sort of" worked last spring, right?
mirtle
I wouldn’t be surprised if Reimer starts 80% of the rest of the Leafs games this season.
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I would. I think Wilson is asleep at the wheel when it comes to his goalies.
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If they’re not going to get one before the deadline, may as well GBSR the rest of the way.
Maybe his new helmet he’s about to unveil will change the tide!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’d just like to see Ronnie stick with one of them consistently despite ups and downs, and I don’t want that one of them to be Gustavsson.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agree. Need to see more of Reimer to determine if they need to take a run at a replacement this summer. Gustavsson’s inconsistency is a couple of years in the making now. Reimer’s is only one (with a concussion). There’s no good reason not to give Reimer the starts because he is no worse than Gustavsson. Unless he’s still hurting.
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The problem is: what if Reimer is not at 100%? Just leave him hung out to dry?
It’s like a catch-22 except more like a catch-.900
by GettinGiggy on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Reimer would not be playing if he was not 100%
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Armstrong agrees. No player ever plays at less than 100%. Rupp was lying when he said its the mentality to play once you feel you can get by not when you are healthy
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
armstrong was found out and reprimanded pretty hard for hiding his injury, you really think Reimer would hold out such a thing? or that the coaching/medical staff would allow him to go on?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Reimer clearly passes baseline testing but he is not himself. Liles, Miller, Colby’s games have all suffered since returning.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
He might be healthy but he might not be normal… he might be having a slight problem tracking pucks or his reflexes might not be back to where they were. Being healthy from a concussion and being back to 100% peak performance aren’t the same thing.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe with a shoulder injury or a sore ankle or something but with a head injury, no player should be willfully ignoring those symptoms…………………..just plain dumb
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he’s still concussed just that the concussion might’ve had other effects that aren’t back to normal like slightly worse vision or reduced reflex time. Things that would be very hard to pick up on any tests but could be preventing someone from playing at 100%
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
i said as much yesterday. he has no consistency when it comes to handling them. he defends them in the post-game pressers, but probably destroys their confidence with his inability to pick a guy and stick with him. Reimer’s played badly at times but he should never have felt like his starting job was in jeopardy.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I know you can just call out your goalies all the time but he’ll just brush aside terrible goals publicly. That kindof shit frustrates fans, and you hear Gus do the same thing “well, wish I had made that save; good goalies let those in too” Yeah Gus, but good goalies don’t let in stinkers it on a near nightly basis.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would. I think Wilson is asleep at the wheelwhen it comes to his goalies.
FTFY
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
You know….I don’t think missing the playoffs would kill me, but it would be nice to having some meaningful hockey past the 10th of April. Making Game Day Threads for playoff games that don’t involve Toronto is depressing.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
First step to becoming competitive has to be getting that no-playoff monkey off our back.
Hell I’d take 4 meaningful games against Boston.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Burke says he doesn’t want to get pushed over. Doesn’t anyone else care about this?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
We will get pushed over if we make the playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously. Only teams with outstanding goaltending steal rounds.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
We’ve had relative success vs. NYR.
But we’d have to get some crazy Optimus Reim shit happening.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think what Burke said was he wasn’t going to sacrifice the long term just to get destroyed in the 1st round
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe next year. This year? 4 games getting blown out is better than no hockey. Fuck the 3 or spots in the draft order.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
What if the Leafs traded their first for a short term option in net?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
for a 1st round beating? no
for a hard fought 2nd round loss? maybe
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
as in expiring UFA this summer? No.
If it gets us .910 goaltending for more than the next 20 (+4) games? (i.e. signed through next year) Sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
what’s the cut-off point? would you trade a second round pick for Josh Harding or Nabokov?
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Nabokov yes, Hadring is (again) hurt, so I’d be worried bout that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. Probably? I dunno. This is why Burke is the GM and not me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutley.
But we don’t have our 2nd round pick this year thanks to Liles so……….
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Leafs still have their own second. Liles was the sceond from Boston for making the finals.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes we do
We traded Boston’s 2nd from the Kaberle trade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
One positive I noticed from last night that has nothing to do with the Leafs play – the ACC was absolutely rocking, or sounded like it from my couch.
Not that it matters much, but it just felt good to see/hear
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The suits are giving up hope and selling their tickets cheap enough for blue collar dude to afford it.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
That seems unlikely.
#commentersAgainstSuitHate
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That seems likely
#commentershatingonthefuckingsuits
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by not norm ullman on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Off topic
Stuart Percy’s Facebook photo is pretty neat.
http://postimage.org/image/raxupzwjf/
The new guy.
by ButWhatDoesMineSay on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Is that really him and his page?
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
So I just checked tonight’s schedule and Washington is playing Ottawa. Therefore it will be a 3 point game.
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With Washington winning, of course.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 22, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Vermette to the Yotes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions
It’s always risky to trade draft picks in a year where you might not make the playoffs, but Vermette’s still got a few years left on a pretty fair deal, so it’s likely a good pick-up for Phoenix.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
probably nothing before a mid round 2nd, well worth the risk for a team who relies on play off money
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
#CBJ also get G Curtis McElhinney in the deal.
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GOALIE OF THE FUTURE IN COLUMBUS BABY
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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SO DOES RAYCROFT
Just yesterday he got blown out by the Amerks, first line of the recap:
Andrew Raycroft was bad
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
How the hell did you equate that?
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Turris = Runblad + 2nd (ottawa trade)
Math gives
Vermette = 2nd + 4th. —→ 2nd = Vermette – 4th
Turris = Rundblad + Vermette – 4th
Turris + 4th = Runblad + Vermette
Ya thats dumb
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This actually gets Ryan Johansen more TOI, so big win for CBJ
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Not sure if satire or if too many years of pessimism about the Leafs has actually driven you insane.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
At this point...
I want us to make a hard run for Schneider, but I know that won’t happen.
the answer to that is simple, he would cost too much
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Arguably
But it absolutely can’t hurt to ask, and I would argue a real goalie is what we need the most.
I’m sure lots of GM’s have asked, probably Burke too, just because you havn’t heard a media guy talk about it means nothing
there are only so many reasons a team with two number one goalies isnt being speculated hard every day, either they are not going to move him or they are asking the moon for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Canucks should be making another long run this post season. Schneider is their insurance policy and should under no circumstances be traded before the offseason. I can see a move before the draft not now.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
if the canucks can get a solid return for Schneider to shore up their other weaknesses then they should absolutely trade him, they have Eddie Lack in the AHL who could warm the bench and do spot work almost as good
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
my guess is they hold onto Schneider through this year’[s playoffs as an insurance policy.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you can never guess when Luongo will suddenly turn in to a crappy goalie
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, we can guess. It’ll be “in the playoffs”, and past history has indicated that it likely comes “when playing Chicago or Boston”.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
If you have a legit shot at winning do you really want Lack carrying the team if Lou gets hurt or pulls a fit?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, but Schneider is probably too good to stay as a backup for much longer. They’ll have a tough choice in terms of what to do with their goaltending situation, but we’ll see how they do in the playoffs first.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
if the return is good enough? you bet your ass you do
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I rather trade futures to shore up the present instead of potentially hurting my chances when the ever closing window is wide open. He is still an RFA and will fetch a handsome return after the season.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
yup, even if he were available, and I don’t think he will be until the summer at the earliest.
by Goosemonster on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
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