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So Dustin Brown anyone?
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by leafer1984 on Feb 24, 2012 7:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes please. More than him we need this deadline to pass so they can start playing hockey again and not worry about being traded.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Meh.
It’s not that he’s a bad player, but he plays the right side, which means Clarke MacArthur gets pushed down the depth chart. Is Dustin Brown a significant improvement on MacAttack? Not huge.
If we have to sell off a bunch of young players to get him, I see it as a loss.
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At the same time, if Burke is insisting on making a move for Dustin Brown or Ryan Malone, I’d rather he go for Dustin Brown.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ya I disagree. I love Dustin Brown. Love the way he plays. He is on pace for his 5th 20 goal season and is exactly the physical presence the leafs need in their top 6.
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We’re going to be loaded up on decent wingers and have Bozak-Connolly-Steckel down the middle.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
If only there was a young centre available who can score 30 goals, put up 30 assists signed to a reasonable cap hit. Shame those never come up on the market.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m still very happy with sending a haul for a Stastny, a Couturier or a Getzlaf.
Don’t feel like any are in the realm of possibility though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
If we lose Grabovski it is going to be awful. Yay we save cap space. But we’re a much worse team.
#ResignGrabbo5x5
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
it sounds like he wants 5×6 or more
You just made that number up. All we know is that 5×5 is “a ways apart” from what his agent is asking for.
We hear this every year though. Kulemin wanted $3M+ and ended up with $2.35M.
I have faith he’ll get signed and it’ll be around $5Mx5
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not confortable with 6 years at 5 million. I don’t know how long he is going to be a 5 million dollar player. And I don’t think it will be 6 years from now when he is 34.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
$3.175M for 2 more seasons? I like that cap hit.
That’s like 0.4 Rick Nashes!
Brings MacArthur-esque production numbers, with more physicality.
No matter how we swing it we still need more depth at the C position. Especially if Grabovski gets traded/walks. Which I’m still firmly against.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would swap Brown for MacA in a heart beat.
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Curious as to what LA would want in return for Brown and why they would be interested in parting with him in the first place now that they are loading up for a run
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why his name is on the market. He’s putting up 20G-60P type numbers, doing the hard-nose thing, he’s their CAPTAIN and they’re going for a playoff run.
Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bob McKenzie said if LA plans on making more moves they will get up against the cap. Somehow they then made the leap to Dustin Brown.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno if it was a leap. They suggested point blank that Dustin Brown was now available.
They usually don’t make idle inference like that unless something had been said.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
GM’s with interest in Dustin Brown know LA will need a ton in return to move their cptn. His avail impacts those in Nash hunt
Dreger
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I wonder if Dreger sleeps between now and the deadline or just runs on pure coffee and energy drinks
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
You’re probably right, because in the absence of those insiders actually hearing something from actual sources, it does seem like a bit of a logic leap to go from cap space to Dustin Brown on their own.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
It would take more for LA or else why would they do it? Not sure why he’s even on the market right now
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Of course it would take more, just saying that I would swap out Mac for Brown in a heart beat
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3 more days of zaniness
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Clarky Mark plays on the left side. Brown can play either wing.
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I think majority of us knew where Mac played
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Just clarifying for those unable to tell left from right.
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I would be fine with Mac moving down a line to play with Conolly. They had some decent chemistry earlier in the year and at least Tim would have someone on his line with a little finish. Call up Naz to play the other side and we can run and gun 3 lines deep.
Hell to the yes.
Not if it costs Grabbo though.
#ResignGrabbo5x5
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
did you hear last night? Apparently Burke is offering a good contract but they are still ways apart on negotiations
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I bet they were close until Grabbo’s camp saw how much Ruutu got as an extension and were then like “wa…wa…wait just a second here!”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Agents can bark until their blue in the face about the Ruutu contract. Carolina had to OVERPAY to keep him there.
It may seem like a comparable but a decent counterargument can show why it was just a stupid overpayment and shouldn’t be used as a “Ruutu+1million” type deal
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Remember how that worked out for Kaberle? Enjoy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I did hear it.
Burke seems to be making a fair offer, the same one we’ve all been saying is around ballpark based on comparables.
Based on what Dreger said, he also doesn’t think Grabovski will get traded and they’ll eventually work something out, so I’m not that worried.
I don’t think he’ll get traded. I think he’ll get re-signed after the deadline. I think it will be in the neighbourhood of 5×5 unless things change dramatically.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
if that’s the case come sunday evening, I say shop him. We’re in a battle for 8th, and really its a crapshoot. If we can’t keep Grabbo on a reasonable deal, he’s got to be shipped out for assets. Next year will be more important than this year, much as I’d like us to make the playoffs. We’re just not good enough to beat NYR. Or pretty much anyone, it seems.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Bozak-Connolly-Steckel-Colborne(?) down the middle
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
You spelled Zach Parise incorrectly
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
why must we limit ourselves to needing only one player?
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
holy mother of god do we ever. We also need to jetisson some guys into space
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I saw a twitter rumour monger last night suggesting that Winnipeg was “interested” in Armstrong.
I laughed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Carter has to be the happiest guy in the world right now.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Howson has to be kicking himself, he traded away a lot more to get Carter than he got back.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
This would assume Howson has the mental ability to make such a conclusion, which so far he has shown no evidence of.
That LA 1st rounder totally has the potential to be as good as Couturier
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Technically any pick has the potential to be better than any player, just the chances get lower as you go lower in the draft.
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Quick someone break out some charts and graphs.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
So, I wasn’t around for the GDT last night so don’t know if this got discussed to death, but Jack Johnson and a conditional first seems like an eminently matchable package by the Leafs. Unless the Leafs were just never interested.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions
Unless the Leafs were just never interested
Mirtle made several comments on twitter suggesting the Leafs were not that interested in Carter. Apparently his reputation and attitude is awful around the league.
Which, IMO, is kind of a dumb reason unless there’s more to it than that. Kessel, Phaneuf, Grabovski, lots of guys on the Leafs were known as having bad attitudes / poor reputations before coming here. Doesn’t seem to matter when it comes to being awesome on the ice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Tells you something when Burke takes a chance on those guys and not carter, there is a reputation and a "reputation "
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Saw a few people saying Carter has had one since Jr.
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Burke does seem to have his own mantra for this stuff. One reason he’s so unpredictable.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Burke talked to Lupul to get a first hand idea of the issues. He would know him reasonably well as they were good friends in Philly. A serious red flag could have been waved that BB wasn’t willing to overlook.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Burke talked to Lupul to get a first hand idea of the issues
It doesn’t seem like Burke spends a lot of time talking to players. Seems like he leaves that mostly to the coach. In fact I think he said as much in that TSN1050 interview.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
He explicitly said he doesn’t talk much to the players in his interview with Cybulski.
Cynically Sarcastic
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Burke says a lot of things.
He doesn’t talk to Wilson either. Unless they are at a UFC event together.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of want to know what Burke just said in that conversation… Wilson is looking at him with a very WTF?!?! look
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t last a minute against me
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going to sign that guy…like his truculence. He’ll keep the rats at bay
by elseldo on Feb 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya like that extension, do ya? I can still fire ya, ya know
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by GettinGiggy on Feb 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This would be better in a barn
"The Passion Continues..."
by WendelMadeMe on Feb 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, coaches and GMs definitely keep track of personal issues that may affect a player's career
And that goes for players that aren’t within the organization, either. They keep tabs who has a coke habit, who has a wife that won’t move West (or wherever), or who has any kind of special circumstance that would prevent them from competing.
And I don’t just mean that they’re interested in hearing about this stuff. They keep databases of it all.
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They keep databases of it all.
You know this as fact?
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Oh man can you imagine how nuts SBNation would go if we got our hands on that database
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel, Grabovski, Phaneuf had awful reputations by those outside of the league. Carter has an awful reputation around the league. Subtle distinction, but there’s a world of difference between media-imposed “locker room cancer” label and actual negative in the locker room. See: Buccigross getting burned on twitter.
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Burke has talked about doing due dillegence on Steckel, asking around about him since at least last year’s deadline. He seems to really look into a guy character before he makes a trade for them.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Most miserable millionaire ive ever met
Apparently this was a quote by a Flyers executive, read it the other day somewhere… probably twitter
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Why would we want Carter? The guy is a shoot-first centre, when this organization needs the exact opposite. Even when you paired him with Nash, it was like ‘meh’.
Why would we want Carter?
He’s really good at playing ice hockey is why.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it would be terrible for the Leafs to target someone playing field hockey
by elseldo on Feb 24, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Naw, he shoots right. We need someone who shoots left, to pass to Kessel.
Geez, the guy gets 30 goals a year and there’s question about whether he’d be a good ‘fit’? Guys like Carter ‘fit’ on every team in the NHL.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
You think Columbus is a better team today?
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No, but with Carter’s pouting, it’s hard to call him a “good fit” for that team.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
As soon as he acted like a spoiled brat they should have shipped him off
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does suck to play for a team as crappy as Columbus but yeah…..
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
He was pouting his way to a 30 goal pace on the worst team in the league. Look, I have no idea how much the alleged pouting was affecting his play or his team. I do have sympathy in that he didn’t sign a lifetime NTC contract so that he could be dumped on Columbus before it came into effect. But even with the pouting and missing 20 games to injury he was second on the team in goals.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
we need more colby armstrongs
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Tim Connolly the past-first playmaking center the Leafs top line needed?
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I’ve been hard on Connolly but to be fair if you’re setting up Matthew “Shoot for the Chest” Lombardi and Joey “AHLer” Crabb, you’re not going to be setting up much.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not my point. The pass-first guy they added over the summer isn’t even playing with Kessel & Lupul
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Bozak is pass first. His general strategy is get the puck to the two better players on his line.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Every C’s job is pass-first. That’s due to their positioning on the ice.
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Grabbo isn’t pass-first!
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In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Sundin wasn’t pass-first
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
partly because he had no one to pass to.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny because in 02/03/04 when he was with Mogilny, he still had more goals than assists.
SUndin wasn’t pass first because he wasnt pass first not because of his linemates
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Sundin wasn’t pass first ’cause he was fucking awesome at scoring goals.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
EXACTLY
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MORE BLUE
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 24, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Mogilny was easily the best shooting player he played with.Not saying he would have been pass first with better linemaets, but that his shooting was a product of:
A) Him beign a fucking awesome scorer
B) See A
C) Having shitty linemates
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
what’s your basis? I don’t the simple fact that he scores more goals than he does assists is proof.
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His shot count being very high is probably a good basis.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
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African or European?
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
/slow clap
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I think its time we all stop saying shit about Bozak. He has been pretty good this season
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he’s been okay, but he’s not the #1C we need.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
he has been more than okay.
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He’s been good, but IMO he’s still not a #1 centre. He’d be a good #2C and a great #3C on pretty much any team though.
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agree, but He is doing pretty well on #1 duty, especially given our expectations at the seasons beginning.
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I look forward to making another cap hit vs production post after this season is over and not having him being a meaningful outlier to the downside.
For $1.5M? That’s pretty good.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
He’s the No. 1 C we deserve
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Since he moved between Kessel & Lupul, yup.
You may have noticed I shut up about him a while back. I can’t argue with meaningful production. Even if long-term it may or may not be where he belongs on a playoff roster.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
OK. Let’s shit talk someone new. I say Joey Crabb
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Fuck Joey Crabb.
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Yeah, Connolly could be the best passer in the fucking league, but if he’s passing it Joey Fucking Crabb he’s not going to be terribly effective
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ive said it last year and saying it this year, a team with Joey Crabb on its 3rd line is not a playoff team. He is a 4th liner/AHL guy.
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we have better 4th liners, he’s an AHLer. Still keep sayign I don’t understand why Frattin is down and Crabb is up. Waivers is not a good excuse for keeping a mediocre at best player up here, nor is wanting Frattin to get more time. He can play against NHLers, and when we’re eliminated from the playoffs he can go back to the Marlies on their playoff run.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
We do not have better 4th liners than Joey Crabb.
If we had a better 4th liner than he would be on the 3rd line and Crabb would be on the 4th.
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Steckel’s better. Brown is better. Boyce is at least a lateral move. So maybe Crabb beats out one guy. Maybe.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
K, let me rephrase that
We don’t have a better 4th line winger.
Brown’s an energy guy but he can’t score or assist.
Crabb can kill penalties, throw hits, and can put up 8-10 goals a season on a 4th line.
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And than why not add Orr?
They all have similar points production.
Where’s all this Crabb hate coming from? He’s got more points than Lombardi!!!!
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we’ve hated plenty on Lombardi too, though he did kinda get massively concussed and was out for a season. Crabb takes up a roster spot that could be used by a better player.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
exactly. Joey Crabb isn’t a 3rd liner. And he doesn’t bring what a fourth line should…energy.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
In all seriousness, Joey Crabb is a replacement level player and the sooner he is permanently on the 4th line or off the team, the better
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yes but Wilson doesn’t seem to get that. I don’t understand what he’s thinking sometimes….
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson drinks too much.
Put Frattin on the 3rd, drop Crabb on the 4th.
Sit either Boyce or Brown.. doesn’t matter although I think Crabb and Boyce have better chemistry.
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Brown isn’t getting sat
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the first part, disagree with the second. Crabb is a good fourth liner. We just need to get him the hell out of the top 9.
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Crabb is better on the PK than Frattin. I actually really like him there. I don’t like Crabb on the 3rd line, but I do like him on the roster.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rabble rabble rabble
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Brad Richards
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
tell us about him again in 5 years when he’s wildly overpaid.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
So, I don’t know if it was discussed at all yesterday, or previously, but a couple thoughts on the goaltending situation. I think it was very evident from the first goal last night and the TSN guys hit the nail straight on the head. I think the Leafs really need to rethink keeping Allaire as goaltending coach.
I know that Allaire has proven “disciples” in guys like Roy, Giggy, etc. etc., but if you look at present day, there are several characteristics of an “Allaire goalie” that can be a hinderance to goaltending. Traits like going down into the buttefly early, making yourself as big as possible in the net, and playing the percentages on shots can all be very damaging in today’s league. I forget which one of the guys said it, but immediately after that first Sharks goal, one of the commentators said exactly what I was thinking. Something to the tune of “He [Reimer] was coached to go down early, make himself as big as possible and hope the shot hits him. This style negates the athletic ability of a goalie.”
While I believe positioning is still very important, I also think the “Allaire goalie” has his hey day in the 90s/early 2000s. This was back before equipment was being regulated (and we all know guys like Roy and Giggy were famous for their large equipment). Also, in today’s league, more forwards can pick their spots with shots. I would guess that almost all “top-6” forwards on a team and even many 3rd line guys can consistently hit their intended target. I don’t think this number was so high back in the 90s where you had one or two guys who could repeatedly be accurate with their shots.
Anyhow, I believe this is affecting our goalies today. Who knows, maybe it’s all in my head (i.e. confirmation bias), but from watching Allaire trained/coached goalies around the league, the pattern is is clearly visible.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions
I absolutely cannot believe it's come to blaming Allaire.
Before conversations start creeping down this path – name a better replacement.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not that he’s horrible, but I’m just pointing out some flaws in his style that were not as evident back in the 90s.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
In the 90s? You really have no idea how the game has changed since then do you?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get it. Are you arguing for or against my point? I’m trying to argue that the game HAS changed immensely and the goaltending styles which were successful then are not as successful now.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
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Cam Ward also plays that style even though he’s not an Allaire disciple… and Luongo
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even better. I didn’t know he was I just thought he copied his teachings
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
That would make sense of the style wasn’t wildly successful in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
The issue isn’t the style. The issue is getting that style so ingrained into your play that you do it naturally and then can move beyond just blocking pucks. Look at MA Fleury. He stuggled for years trying to pick up a proper butterfly style but once he did and moved on past it look at him now.
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If only Marleau wasn;t left wide open in the slot. Damn that Reimer for his defensive zone breakdowns.
Marleau put the shot right in the top corner. It was an absolute PERFECT shot
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Yes, it was a perfect shot (but guys who can pull these off are more common in today’s league). if Reimer doesn’t go down on that shot, we’re not having this conversation.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I’m 100% not ready for this conversation at all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
That shot probably goes in on every goalie in the nhl
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Mike Weaver is in front of it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
He’s like the Chuck Norris of defensemen.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Reimer stands tall and maybe he stops it.
Then maybe the next one goes in low far side because Reimer didn’t go into his crouch. DIYDDIYD.
I don’t think you can put too much fault on Reimer, and certainly on Alliare, for a perfect shot that was on Marleau’s stick for a blink of an eye.
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I wasn’t even mad it was such a nice shot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Goaltending has been the problem on a lot of nights this season, but it was not the problem last night.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to win when you only score once.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not for lack of trying.
I do think they need a bit of a change up front. The Leafs need another element to their attack to make opposing teams think about how they’re going to defend against. Which should hopefully create more room for guys who play off the rush like Kessel.
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Our roster is a mess in a number of ways. At least we now have some talent to work with. But the structure and execution of that talent needs tweaking, rebalancing, something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. A more balanced team is able to adapt when the opposition takes away the speed game. There’s a reason why our fourth line looks so effective at times: they’re the only line that can dump and chase, crash and bang. It’s one of the ways to bust through when the other team clogs up the neutral zone. Unfortunately, while I love Brownie, Steckel and Boyce, they have no hands.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
4th line looks great. They have zero points together. Looks are deceiving. Hands of gargoyles
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
while I love Brownie, Steckel and Boyce, they have no hands.
They’re not really supposed to, and they are doing their job pretty damn well TBH.
If they can get the puck out of the Leafs zone and into the opposition zone and get a change, they are A-OK in my books 10 times out of 10. If they actually put up a forecheck and get a shot or two away? Amazing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well that’s my point. I’m not faulting them for not doing something they are fundamentally incapable of doing. I’m just saying that we need a scoring line that can play their style of game, to contrast with the speed game from the Kessel line. Kulemin’s got the size and strength to play that game, but he’s been taking the puck wide all season.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, It’s why I’d swap Mac for Dustin Brown in a heartbeat. We need bigger players up front so we don’t just count on our 4th line for a good forecheck.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Swapping MacArthur for Brown seems like a lateral move to me.
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production wise yes
But intangibles bro. Intangibles.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
not only intagibles, size and different style. That’s a “lateral” move I do.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Similar points does not make 2 players equal hockey players.
Therefore I agree. Also imagine having Brown and Brown together! I’m assuming they are related because they have the same last name and are from the small country of America
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I fully support efforts to call them the Brown town Duo if they are both on our squad.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
At the skills event next year there could be a special event where the prize is the right to continue to be called “Brownie”, since you know that they both carry that nickname … NHL’ers are so unoriginal.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
you mean like DUSTIN BROWN
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Oops. Forgot to put that caveat in my original post. Yes, I was very happy with our goaltending last night and I too believe that Reimer should gert the bulk of starts remaining.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Right, the beef on the goaltending situation was likely brought up during last night’s game because goaltending was all anyone was talking about earlier yesterday.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
We score 4 goals, our goaltending lays an egg.
Our goaltending is good, our scoring disappears.
WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
because we blame arguably the best goalie coach of all time for our teams failures
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Same reason the PP and PK can’t both be working at the same time.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
In summary:
Everyone’s perfect (or at least defensible), including GM, coaches, players, etc…… but the team stinks
by GettinGiggy on Feb 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Name one goalie in the NHL who wouldn’t go down on a shot like that? He was too close to stay standing know where the puck was going and still get down in time if needed. Every goalie is taught for one timers in the slot go down cover as much space as possible and hope the puck hits you.
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Tim Thomas ’cause he may or may not be a ninja.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
he also may or may not be crazy. Leaning towards crazy.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I thought crazy and goalie were synonyms.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
We pretty eccentric
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
If Reimer doesn’t go down on that shot Marleau picks the bottom corner instead of the top corner
by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
in conclusion, don’t let Marleau get a shot that close to the net with no one remotely close enough to stick check or do fucking something.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Patrick Marleau, still pretty good at ice hockey
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know if I agree here. That shot came off so quickly, Reimer’s reaction to go down was just that — a reaction because that’s how he was coached. I don’t think you can argue Marleau was waiting to see what Reimer gave him, he was going upstairs all the way.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
He put it right in the corner. It was a picture perfect shot
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Oh my you mean a goalie who didn’t have time to actually react to where the puck is going picked the high percentage play and covered as much of the net as he could. HOW DARE HE!!
I bet 95/100 times that shot goes 3 inches higher or 3 inches lower and doesn’t go in the net. Reimer made the right play that any goalie should and would have made.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
That shot came off so quickly
So the goaltender goes with his reaction, playing the odds. I honestly don’t have a problem with a goaltender going with his instincts on a shot he has no time to react to
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
this is what I’m saying. When a goalie doesn’t have time to make a save you cover as much of the net as possible and hope you make a stop.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Both players played the percentages. Reimer goes down because it covers the most net. Marleau goes high because goalies ALL go down. If Reimer was a stand up goalie Marleau goes low and still scores. Shooters shoot where they do for a reason they arent stupid. (except lombardi)
by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Goaltending was not the problem last night… one of the few games recently where that can be said. End of conversation.
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I realize I’m probably going to get ripped on for this but I think they needed a good/at least solid goaltending performance as much or more than they needed the win. Obviously both would be ideal but I’ll take what I can get.
you’re not going to win often if you only score 1 goal, unless you’re the late 90s/early 2000s NJD
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Jonas Hiller thinks the above post is bullshit.
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It’s not saying that the Allaire-type goaltender can’t be successful.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
So, if the coach’s style can work, but isn’t, shouldn’t we be looking at the talent and ability of the players in our system?
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Maybe not so much talent level as playing style. I like Gustavsson a lot better when he uses his athleticism. More aggressive, way more exciting, and I think it puts his (alleged) confidence on display which really rubs off on the team. I’m worried this might be a case where he goes somewhere else and takes off (less pressure, maybe being allowed to play more his game) but I think if Burke has to choose between keeping Allaire and Gustavsson it’s a total no-brainer. He’s going to pick Allaire, as I think he should. Right now Reimer’s the guy and Allaire fits his style quite well.
way more exciting
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, but I get Euge’s point. You have to teach technique and style, I get that, but you also have to teach towards a players strengths. Taking a guy like Gus and trying to make him an Allaire goalie is not going to work. Gus relied very heavily on athleticism before coming to Toronto, was never a very positional guy. Allaire is an awesome goalie coach, no questions asked. It’s just that Gus and Allaire are too far apart to make it work
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
There isn’t a goaltender in the league who isn’t a “very positional guy.” That was part of the problem. He was getting chewed up by oversliding and being off his mark. Even Tim Thomas understands and works angles, and he’s pretty rarely off angle, even if he’s pulling ridiculous shit to get there. The idea that anyone could’ve molded Gus without reigning in his wild footwork is a little silly, in my opinion.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, I agree. I just don’t think he was ever really a good fit to learn the Allaire style.
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
why not? why couldnt he adopt a hybrid style like Luongo? Allaire’s “style” is not near as ridged as people believe
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’ve said it 147 times in this thread. You can teach butterfly and technique and position but its up to the goalie to learn how to incorporate his own strengths into it. Look at how Fluery struggled until he learned to used both the butterfly and his unreal athleticism
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
ding ding ding!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I will disagree a small amount. I think a coach should help the goalie to incorporate his own strengths. It isn’t like Allaire just teaches the butterfly afterall… He should maximize the goalie’s skills too (which he probably does anyway…)
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But you cant TEACH it. You can suggest it.
With butterfly you can teach it through repetion. “Down, up down up down up no that one wasn’t right do it again”.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I see where you are coming from, I just think the way you originally worded it takes to much responsibility off the goalie coach. He should be trying to maximize the goalies skills. Allaire has his preferred style, but being a “guru” means he should be able to adjust it to what would work best for his students.
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Would it then be fair to say, get rid of Allaire and let the goalies incorporate the “Allaire-style” with their natural talents? It’s probably hard to do when he is there in your face.
by GettinGiggy on Feb 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes because I’m sure he’s like one of those old school teachers
“Hey who said you could draw a butterfly I said a flower damnit!”
“Hey stop doing things that helps you make saves, positional play or die!”
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily the only option. I say Allaire needs to realize that he has to adapt as the league changes. Now, I’m not privy to what goes on at practice between Allaire and the goalies (he may very well be making constant tweaks in his strategies), but my perception (in watching his goalies play — especially the young ones) is that they [the goalies] hold to his style very rigidly.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said. Until the style becomes natural its very hard to incorporate tweaks and changes.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying this with the benefit of hindsight. Allaire’s style is not strictly rigid, but Gus has not been able to learn and incorporate it with his athleticism. I’m not saying that Burke was stupid for signing Gus in the first place, but after 3+ seasons, it’s obvious that Gus isn’t learning it properly, and probably never will.
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I really enjoy when you talk goaltending with other people. I notice over playing the puck and being out of position, but you just point things out I never realize.
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Goaltending has so many small details you never know about until you try it.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. It is the thing I love most about this site. Learning about details in hockey I never would have appreciated/thought of. The goalie info, Chemmy/Skinny discussing impact mechanics in padding/helmets (I actually find this really cool), etc etc.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
They tried a while ago I think.
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Thanks. I know the feeling, because whenever Leafer, birky, and Jared (etc) start talking about skater stuff, it’s usually stuff that don’t really realize, then look for and notice next game, and suddenly it’s glaring (Schenn’s skating was one example).
I think some of the fun in watching/talking goalies is that, similar to the “even Gretzky was traded” mantra, when you see guys like Hasek and Thomas in the league, everything goes out the window. “Uhhh, I don’t really know how he does that, but it just works. Excuse me while I throw all my scouting and most of this established technical knowledge right into the trash can.”
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha. I really appreciate teh game a lot more now. I also find myself telling my roommate “that isn’t physically possible” a lot now when he says " why didn’t the player just do ___". Too much NHL 12 can ruin people.
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by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on what you define as the best. Yes in the sense that it means his positioning was good but for me there’s nothing better than joe bowen freaking out after a crazy save.
it means the goalie was probably out of position and fucked up and then got lucky
which is not good
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
For me, there’s nothing like the Leafs walking out of a game with 2 points in the standings.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Carey Price. He rarely makes the big awe inspiring save. He just makes every stop.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty good at ice hockey too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Lundqvist is really, really boring to watch, except that he’s really, really good at making saves. He’s just never out of position, even when his D is collapsing on him. And come on, have you seen that hair?
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hate him so much
But at the same time he’s just so awesome to watch.
Both him and Price and Ward are Goalies goalies. Where only goalies love watching them play because of how good they are despite being “boring”
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t wait to watch Lundqvist and Quick get re-signed.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hank already has a big $$ contract for 2 more years.
He has the highest cap hit this season among goalies. Will be 2nd when Rinne’s contract kicks in
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
2nd in salary for this year.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, that’s true. I thought it was just one more year after this one. Regardless, NYR needs to give him bucketloads of money.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Great, you named one guy who’s had success for a few years.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
He has had success for the past 3-4 years.
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Few = anything more than 2 and less than 4. So, about where you put it.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Giggy has had success in the past, Bryz didnt like his style. Reimer did VERY well last season, but his concussion kinda fucked him this year.
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I never heard that about Bryz. That is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go to his camps in the summer. All 4 of our FA goalie prospects cited him as a major reason for signing with us (Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, and Gus) and I specifically remember both Owuya and Scrivens saying they had been to one of his summer camps.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, part of the reason Bryz got waived was because he and Allaire were considered to have irreconcilable differences in style/coaching.
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I never heard that about Bryz. That is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go to his camps in the summer. All 4 of our FA goalie prospects cited him as a major reason for signing with us (Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, and Gus) and I specifically remember both Owuya and Scrivens saying they had been to one of his summer camps.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never heard that about Bryz. That is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go to his camps in the summer. All 4 of our FA goalie prospects cited him as a major reason for signing with us (Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, and Gus) and I specifically remember both Owuya and Scrivens saying they had been to one of his summer camps.
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I never heard that about Bryz. That is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go to his camps in the summer. All 4 of our FA goalie prospects cited him as a major reason for signing with us (Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, and Gus) and I specifically remember both Owuya and Scrivens saying they had been to one of his summer camps.
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I never heard that about Bryz. That is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go to his camps in the summer. All 4 of our FA goalie prospects cited him as a major reason for signing with us (Owuya, Scrivens, Rynnas, and Gus) and I specifically remember both Owuya and Scrivens saying they had been to one of his summer camps.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I never heard that about bryz. that is actually really.
We also need to consier how many goalies go To his camps in tHe summer. all 4 of our FA goaliE proSpEcts cited him As a majoR rEason for Signing with us (Owuya, scrivens, rynnAs, aNd gus) aNd I specifically remember bOth OwuYa and ScrIveNs sayinG they had been to one of his summer camps.
YES THEY ARE.
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Ho, hum, a career .918, which would be higher if not for a mysterious head illness, and who was fourth in league SVP before his unpredictable and untreatable ailment. And he’s been dominant in the second half of this season. Another one of those? God, who would be impressed by that?
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Okay, so everybody is trumpeting ONE name here who has been dominant as an Allaire goalie over the last half decade. I get it, Hiller has had success with the Allaire style recently. If that’s the only goalie out of hundreds who have played over the last 5-10 years, it’s not building a great argument.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Half decade? Three of Giguere’s last 5 years have been considerably above league average.
Also, why are you taking it out of “hundreds” of goalies, when Allaire has worked with about 7 in the NHL level? Bryzgalov, Giguere, Hiller, Toskala, Reimer, Gustavsson. Didn’t work well together, good, good, shit talent, question mark, questionable talent. If you’re looking for goalies who play a passive/blocking style, you can add a few more – Luongo was coached deeper into the net, Lundqvist, like I mentioned, is playing a passive style…you can talk about “not building a great argument,” but the “Allaire’s fault” squad doesn’t even have an argument going at all.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Cam Ward, Carey Price are also very controlled butterfly goalies.
Then you have the list of guys like Quick, Rinne, Fleury, Miller who all have very good butterfly but have adapted it to fit themselves. Those things are learned not taught. You think Mitch Korn is responsible for Rinne’s glove hand?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Mitch Korn got DAN ELLIS to have a good season.
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Uhh Barry Trotz’s team strategy had something to do with that as well IMO
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Dan Ellis led the league in Save percentage. Barry Trotz for president / Leafs head coach.
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In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Didn’t Luongo also tell Fla he would stay if they brought in Allaire?
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also he coached Luongo preNHL
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Name one goalie coach who has produced more goalies than Allaire. And then realize Mitch Korn is unavailable.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing 105 bags full of money can’t fix.
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It would be awesome if we could just buy him from Nashville.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I get where you’re coming from with this. All institutions of strategy eventually become outdated. Just because a coach has had a successful past doesn’t mean they’ll always be successful.
People are citing Jonas Hiller as if he won the Cup and Conn Smythe. Why aren’t they citing Quick, or Thomas, or Lundy? These guys, if I’m not mistaken do not play a Allaire style game, yet are the three most dominant goalies in the league.
Still, I have faith in Allaire, and if I’m getting rid of any coach whose merits are built primarily on a trove of experience over decades, it’s Wilson.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Lundqvist: Also known for positional strength, not being aggressive, and not challenging much. He’s not an “Allaire” goaltender, but he has all the strengths that an Allaire goaltender is supposed to.
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Quick, or Thomas, or Lundy
These guys’ style is having an insane amount of talent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Plently of very talented, young kids came in to the league, hell – Gus included, and were drilled into the Allaire mold. These guys weren’t, and that shouldn’t go unnoticed, IMO,
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Its like asking people to teach the Brodeur style of goaltending – ok BE AMAZING
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Lundqvist is very much an Allaire style goalie. Tim Thomas doesn’t have a style and Jonathan Quick is like MA Fleury. They still have a solid base in Butterfly but they’ve learned to augment that with their natural skill. That is something not taught that is something learned, but you need the butterfly base first.
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ha, I stand corrected, Lundqvist is literally an Allaire goalie, just a different Allaire.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Oh you mean the younger brother who teaches the exact same style?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
This is kind of where I’m going with my arguement. Allaire has it’s time and place, but you can’t rely on just that anymore. He did a lot to change the game for several decades, but now, you need more than what today should probably be labeled as a “foundation” for the goaltending position. If you look at the BEST goalies today, they don’t rely on strictly the “Allaire style”. Game changs, strategies and approaches at all positions need to adapt alos.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Can you name a better "style" right now though other than "Just be really fucking good"?
Or a better goalie coach to have? Mitch Korn seems to be the only one that seems to rival Allaire’s success.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not really saying there’s a “better style”, but I don’t believe goalies should be constricted to relying solely on it.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
They should all be Brodeur, Thomas and Hasek style goalies. Rely on reflexes, which we all know can be taught
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thats what I thought Jonas should have been. He coul do it on reflexes, he’s not a blocking style goalie.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
You can’t really teach it. You have to be, well, better than Gustavsson is, to pull that off. It’s also not particularly efficient when you’re 6’3" – Thomas is 5’11, so coming out and challenging aggressively means less double coverage than for a guy whose legs almost take away the whole bottom of the net when he’s down on the goal line.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, unless someone beats me to it, I’ll look to put a list together at lunch when I have time of the goalies putting up the best numbers post-lockout. I’m betting at best, there is no correlation between which styles would rank high on the list.
Also, when I say “Allaire style” I’m not refering to “butterfly” goalies. There’s much more to being an “Allaire style” goalie then simply using the butterfly. I think it would be absurd to argue that the butterfly is not a good style to play.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Allaire base style is butterfly. He just advocates using it in every situation.
The thing about goalies and goalie coaches is there is only so much you can teach a goalie. You can teach them positioning(and movement around your crease) and you can teach them butterfly. Everything else is unteachable. You can’t teach Rinne’s glove hand or MA Fleury’s athleticism.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Allaire base style is butterfly. He just advocates using it in every situation.
Thus, why I was trying to distinguish between “Allaire” and “Butterfly”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
But for the majority of goalies there isn’t a bad time to use a butterfly.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
McKenzie
BOS, BUF, EDM, NJD, NYR, PHI, TOR, VAN are amongst teams with high levels of interest in Brown.
Dreger
A quality young d-man and solid secondary scorer part of what might land Brown. He’s worth it.
I guess that means they’re looking for a Gardiner + MacA type of deal for Brown? I’m not comfortable with that.
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Schenn and MacA for Brown
hmmmmmmmmmm
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Not sure works with the cap, might need to take Penner back too
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Is Penner a UFA at the end of the year? If so… FINE BY ME
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Ayup.
My point was really if we’re moving a fwd and a dman… don’t let it be Gardiner.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
err that was my point below anyway
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Burke isn’t stupid enough to trade Gardiner.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I bet the Kings will try to make taking Penner a condition of the deal, because they’re not dumping Brown for picks and otherwise the team wouldn’t be saving much cap space in a player-for-player swap. Based on TSN comments last night, they’re thinking the Kings are intent on moving out Bernier for a forward piece as well in a separate deal for god knows what. The timing will be very interesting.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I will take 3 months of Penner for Dustin Brown
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought they said as of right now Bernier wasn’t being discussed in any trades?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Did they say that this morning? Cuz last night they were talking about him like he was trade bait.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I must have been watching a different TSN than you. Every time his name came up Bobby Mac explicitely said his name was NOT in any current discussions.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
You very well might be right. I can’t remember for sure.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking along the same lines. I’d really like to see Bernier come back too though.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 24, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
This was talked about a bit the other day – is Bernier (or Lindback) an improvement on any of the prospects in our current system? Or is it just adding another “potential” chip to the prospect pile?
What’s been considered a pretty bad year for Reimer is the same sv% as Bernier this year. I guess he has the wow factor of being picked 11th overall though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I am not convinced that Bernier is the guy. He’s just another goalie with potential and I’d rather have two than one. I would do Kadri + Gustavsson for Bernier.
The one thing about Lindback that I like is that he is really really big. At 6’6" when Francois Allaire tells him to constantly drop to his knees he’ll still be tall enough that opposing forwards won’t be able to shoot the puck over his shoulders. I hate it how often our goalies have been dropping to their knees early only to have the opposition shoot a high one over their shoulders.
If I had a preference I really try to pry Cory Schneider from Vancouver. Of all the young goalies I think he has shown the most and the most likely to be a star goalie. That is more of a summer trade though as I don’t see Vancouver dealing him now.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Lot of people love the Schneider idea but I can’t think of anything the Leafs could offer VAN right now that would make them want to trade him. Not a lot of gaping holes in their game right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I caught a ton of flack from randos on twitter for pointing out that Schneider’s seen 200 fewer shots than Reimer, and has just a .008 better career SVP. Now, I’m not suggesting that .008 SVP is nothing, or that Reimer hasn’t been trending in the wrong direction, but the treatment that Schneider gets as a magic bullet is a bit revolting – mostly people who would be willing to pay what, as you’re pointing out, would be an exorbitant price.
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And he plays behind a much better defense than the Leafs too… and always has.
I’ve become very jaded and concerned about overpaying for other teams’ goalies… especially when they come from a team with a clear defensive playing style that may or may not be inflating the goalie stats.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Schneider has a .928 save percentage this year and had a .929 save percentage last year and had a .915 save percentage in 5 games in last years playoffs.
James Reimer had a .921 save percentage last year and a .904 save percentage this year. Before taking over for the Leafs last January he hadn’t been considered a starting goalie at any level since 2006-07 in Red Deer.
Schneider has far better pedigree and far better performance. To suggest they are anywhere remotely close to each other is insane. It’s not to suggest Reimer can’t or won’t have a great career. He could, but if I were a betting man Schneider is far more likely to.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 24, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
He could, but if I were a betting man Schneider is far more likely to.
That most people would ditch the conditionals in this sentence is exactly why I’m sick of him being treated like a magic bullet. I get that I’m preaching to the choir when I say that no goalie’s a lock, but yeah.
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That’s true. The sample size is still too small to consider him a sure thing, but the evidence is building and there has been very little counter evidence which is what I really like.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 24, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri and Gus for Jonathan “Not an Improvement on Reimer” Bernier? Whaaaaaaaaat? Yeah let’s trade our best prospect for a guy who hasn’t proven shit yet as a goalie.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming he’s not that high on Kadri.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I haven’t seen anything from Kadri to suggest he is going to be anything special. He might be a good player, but second line forwards are far easier to come by than top goalies and I think Bernier has the potential to be a top goalie and I think goaltending is a far more pressing need.
I also think Bernier has a higher likelihood to be a starting goalie in the NHL than Reimer. If Reimer is a lottery ticket, Bernier might be a pair of lottery tickets. Neither are sure things, but Bernier is more likely to be something special than Reimer.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 24, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bernier: Career .909 in 44 GP
Reimer: Career .914 in 62 GP
We should take our best prospect and spend it on a guy who is more of a lottery ticket than Reimer at this point? Those numbers aren’t even including the fact that Bernier plays for a better team than Reimer does…
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
is Bernier (or Lindback) [or Schneider] an improvement on any of the prospects in our current system?
Nope. They’re all lotto tickets. Some look more like Powerball tickets than $500 scratch offs, but at this point, they’re lotto tickets. If we’re getting a goalie, I’d like it to be one with experience.
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I wouldn’t look at it as Reimer vs. Bernier so much as Gustavsson vs. Bernier. Who knows? Maybe they push each other to be better if they’re in competition for the No. 1 job
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s a pipedream now that Philly already got 2 rentals.
If it happens its in the offseason.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
That’d be fine by me, but I guess my point was more that unless Holmgren is way out of line, Schenn should have more market value than as part of a package for Dustin Brown.
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I’m actually not sure Luke Schenn is a great fit in LA, considering they already have Matt Greene
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I guess that means they’re looking for a Gardiner + MacA
Don’t move Gardiner.
Move Franson. or Schenn or Holzer or Aulie or some combination of picks.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Dustin Brown is not nearly enough of an improvement on MacA to justify moving much extra to get him.
MacA + 2nd? Sure, but it’s still kind of an overpayment
MacA + Schenn? No way. Im all on the trade Schenn bandwagon, but if we are moving those two we need to be getting back something much more significant than Dustin Brown.
MacA + a 2nd doesn’t come near getting Dustin Brown. If Burke pulls that off I would drive all the way to TO to kiss his feet.
Brown is good. Real good.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Don't kill the messenger
Leafs playoff odds fell almost 10% to 45.8% last night.
Just fucking win some games Leafs for fuck sakes. Just win. I don’t care how you do it. Win Win Win Win Win.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
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It still projects us for the 8th and final spot though. Weird.
SE division is fucking with us right now.
In terms of probabilities (not actual standings):
7th Florida 67.8%
8th Toronto 45.8%
9th Washington 41.9%
10th Winnipeg 38.2%
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
there’s higher odds that all of the teams 8th and below just say fuck it, we don’t need an 8th seed. Leave us out of it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
If we lose on Saturday, our playoff chances drop by over 12%.
Yeah, it’s a must win.
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I feel mean saying it
when I thought Joey Crabb was very good last night. But I came into this season hoping this would be the one where we didn’t have to see him and Boyce anymore. No more AHL wingers trying to kill time in between shifts by the top two lines. Connolly was in, Steckel, Dupuis, Lombardi was healthy, there was room for the young talent.
Obviously Dupuis didn’t work out. Connolly’s been struggling, although you have to consider his linemates. Lombardi has Brown-like speed and Brown-like hands. And they’ve got the minor leaguers back again.
I wish they’d bring back Kadri and Frattin, and put them with Connolly. Let them earn as much or as little ice time as they deserve. Some games they can be the fourth line and let Lombardi-Steckel-Brown have more minutes. But in games like the last two, where the Leafs badly needed goals, get some youth and talent into the game.
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I wish they’d bring back Kadri and Frattin, and put them with Connolly
Save that for after our mathematical elimination!
/DebbieDowner
Then send them back to the AHL for the Marlies playoff run!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see Kadri and Frattin flank Connolly too. Playing Boyce and Crabb every night is feeling like John Fucking Mitchell all over again rewarding someone for games gone past.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I still don’t know why Frattin isn’t back up here taking Crabb’s place. Who the fuck cares if someone claims Crabb (who would?!).
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Because Burke and co want those guys playing a lot instead of the 12 or so minutes they would in the NHL
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I disagree with that decision. Once we’re eliminated, Frattin can go back down and go on a lengthy Marlies playoff run. Right now, we need a fucking shot in the arm. Something. This roster is not getting it done.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Ya I would rather our 3 best prospects playing instead of sitting on the bench
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If they come up and play great by infusing energy on a listless team they would be rewarded with more ice time.
Seriously, how hard would it be to sneak Rosehill and Boyce past the waiver wire. Even if claimed it’s not a huge loss.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
It’s like Burke reads PPP.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
He could be any one of us.
/shiftyeyes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not talking about bringing up all three though
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
next year
seems like that would be a nice option next year, though—potentially that sheltered scoring line that was discussed on here when looking at Burke’s model in Anaheim.
by billbarilkodisappeared on Feb 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
They’ll never get more than 12 minutes if they don’t get the chance to earn more. Last night Kulemin and Lombardi wasted 16+ minutes each that should have been up for grabs for more effective players. Crabb did the best he could with his 17 minutes but he can’t score at this level. That’s plenty of time for hungry rookies to fight for.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
especially lombardi
I don’t know what was going on with him last night. Feet like wings but hands like feet.
Every time I want to complain about Lombardi I remember that he was the price of getting Franson for Lebda. And I shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’d never undo that trade. It doesn’t mean I like Lombardi on the third line, though.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
It’s true that it’s pretty amazing he’s even playing at all, but that said would the cap overage we’d get if he was on LTIR be more valuable than the cap space he’s currently taking up? I think so.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
True, doesn’t mean he gets to stick around for the rest of his deal because of that. Way overpaid. By about 2 million.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been leading the “trade Lombardi for anything” brigade since October.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
my only hope is he does more next year but yeah, I’d rather him gone. He’s far too frustrating. He’s got the speed but that’s actually all he has now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
He’d be a decent 4th liner for <1M.
Just not the same since the concussion. The fact he even has a career right now is a small miracle. I’m sure he realizes that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Crabb has better numbers than Lombardi.
Keep Crabb, drop Lombardi.
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by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You’re obviously smarter than all of us combined.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, noticing that a player making under $1mill and putting up better performance than a player making $3.5 mill takes a lot of brain power..
It’s all about perception. Crabb is a 4th liner, a really good one. Seeing people on this site bash him and saying that he should be dropped is frustrating because he’s not putting up 3rd liner numbers is frustrating.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I am of the position I would like to keep Lombardi and see how he trains for a full summer and plays after a full training camp. He missed an entire season after all. Lets see what he can do next year.
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No need to do anything with him until we need his cap space. Then waive him for all I care if we can get a better player in there.
Just keep thinking Franson for Lebda. Franson for Lebda.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I was in that boat but the guy is frustrating the hell out of me. he’s doing a very good jason blake impression, minus the points.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Meh. I don’t think he is hurting the team and he is bringing the puck in the right direction.
One thing to keep in mind with Lombardi si that historically he was more of a set up man than finisher (I don’t think he has ever hit 20 goals but he has cracked 50 points a couple times). So he probably isn’t being paired with ideal players right now.
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he does get us offensive zone faceoffs by shooting it right at goalies. But defensively his game hasnt actually been that great. Quite a few neutral zone turnovers
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi looks very “body going too fast for the mind” out there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Is that a pic of Rico Fata? He was always the poster boy for that “all wheels, brain can’t catchup” club in my mind.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, wearing a “South Miami” jersey, eh? Who’d a thought?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Carey Price. No idea who Luis Mendoza is.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
YOU NEVER WATCHED MIGHT DUCKS 2??
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I did. The last time was probably when I was 10 years old, about 14 years ago.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going for a record “whoosh’s” today, nonetheless, I’ll ask, have you never seen any of the Mighty Ducks movies?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen all of them. When I was a kid.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
You can atone for your sins by drawings a quick sketch of Mendoza in the above photograph!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody get a still of when he knocks over all the cans, as he’s knocking them over, and have him draw that.
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You’re evil man
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I would pay money for such a drawing.
Especially if you capture the sheer “Can you fucking believe this guy?” look on Hans’ face.
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I know what Im doing this weekend now
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Figuring out the rules of that fucking tournament?
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DOUBLE ELIMINATION
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Why did a double elimination tournament have pools?
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Democratic Republic of Congo?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hans
I’ve figured it out, Germany is ripe with oldschool hockey players that would help the Leafs be successful. Start recruiting there for our advanced scouting department.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Save for shooting percentage, I don’t see any real difference in Crabb’s numbers over Lombardi. Lombardi has been much better in the past (and is only one year older than Crabb). Cap space isn’t an issue this season. I’m fine with keeping Lombardi.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think Lombo will likely bounce back a bit next year after having a whole summer to recover, but $3.5 million is a lot to pay him if he’s not going to be playing in our top 6.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah, he’s way overpaid. Doesn’t mean he’s worse at hockey than Crabb.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
someone said Jason Blake 2.0 last night. Pretty much reminds me of just that. Skating fast about to blow past a Sharks player WITH NO STICK and he shoots it right into the chest of Niemi. Fucking drive to the net for fuck’s sakes.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s 1 part waiver status and 1 part giving them big minutes on the Marlies that’s having Kadri and Connolly down.
One interpretation of that is that Burke isn’t planning or expecting to make any noise this year, but focusing on the development.
We should all be ecstatic if the worst move he does at the deadline is nothing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri andConnollyColborne down
obvious typo
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
i agree, but if we don’t make a move, we’re not making the playoffs. That’s my bet. I guess I’m okay with it, since we’d have our 1st. Not that one guy will make us a better team and suddenly a contender – no, I’m not an idiot. I just think this roster, as it stands, is not doing the job and can’t do it. Too many mediocre guys being propped up by actually good players (e.g. Kessel)
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
since we’d have our 1st.
I’m really hoping we don’t trade the 1st for anything but an impact player or a good prospect.
Trading it for fucking Nabokov or whatever would be ridiculous.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Burke isn’t that much of an idiot. You don’t trade a 1st for a rental unless you’re a contender. We’re nowhere close to that, our pick could easily be in the teens.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
our pick could easily be in the teens.
I’d be SHOCKED if it wasn’t.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
well we could tank and potentially finish in the high 8-9-10 perhaps.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Nah there are a lot of shitty teams.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
There are a few really, really shitty teams, but 8th and 15th in the east is only split by about 7 points IIRC. We could easily tank to make up, say, 4 of those points. We won’t and I’m not advocating it, just saying its possible.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
@SunGarrioch
SJS contacting teams to see if any interest in A. Niittymaki. If a team says they’ll claim he’ll go on reentry FRI or SAT .
Oh boy.
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Wasn’t clearing waivers a pretty good indication that no one was interested?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Nash-Kessel year by year
Rick Nash Phil Kessel
18-19yo 74gp 17g 22a 70gp 11g 18a
19-20yo 80gp 41g 16a 82gp 19g 18a
20-21yo - - - 70gp 36g 24a
21-22yo 54gp 31g 23a 70gp 30g 25a
22-23yo 75gp 27g 30a 82gp 32g 31a
23-24yo 80gp 38g 31a 82gp 42g 45a
24-25yo 78gp 40g 39a
25-26yo 76gp 33g 34a
26-27yo 75gp 32g 34a
27-28yo 82gp 27g 30a
Yeah, I’m not getting it. They’re two completely different players who play very different styles.
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I’m just writing that in response to the asshole doug maclean who said the leafs would be nuts not to trade kessel for nash
That Keseel … he’s a slippery little devil. Shocking really.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lebrun
Kings would probably do it if it was Schenn and Matt Frattin for Brown… Likely too rich for Leafs
LeBrun
Kings would probably do it if it was Schenn and Matt Frattin for Brown… Likely too rich for Leafs
Too rich? Are you kidding me?
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by leafer1984 on Feb 24, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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What such a trade would do
Put Brown on the 2nd line and push Kulemin down to the 3rd. This is a good thing.
Free up a spot on the backend, 3rd pairing, for a guy like Holzer to finally get his shot.
Save Toronto’s lawnmowers from almost certain death.
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Want a top 6 forward with size and grit? Hey look, it’s Dustin Brown.
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WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHERE A PLAYER IS BORN
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What the term for Canadians that’s akin to calling yokels in the states ’mericans?
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hosers
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by Future_considerations on Feb 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Quiet you
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The correct phrase is
Take off eh, ya hoser!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa, dont insult me like that.
I kid i kid
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correct me if im wrong, but did i hear something last night about how the Leafs are the only team in the league without an ontario born player?
Cant think of one off the top of my head… Boyce?
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri born in London, Ontario, no?
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96553
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
They were refering to the roster on the evening.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
He’s with the Marlies which i think brought the number to 0.
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THINGS THAT DO MATTER:
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by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
YUP
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How dare you be so stereotypical in that you actually identified the origin of a name by the name itself!?!?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
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Does it at all matter to the team?
Absolutely not.
Was it an interesting random fact?
Yup.
Will jingoistic morons take it and say/believe stupid shit?
Unfortunately yes.
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sure, but i wonder if that was a first for the Leafs. Leafs always have a couple home grown players
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wrote about this earlier this week: http://theleafsnation.com/2012/2/22/born-and-bred
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
by Leafer87 on Feb 24, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, pretty much this. I’m confused as to why people still don’t understand.
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It would also save Toronto cap space. We would be upgrading in an area Burke says we need to upgrade and offloading salary in the process. It’s a crazy deal to not make.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
The only question is would we be selling Schenn at an extreme low. (His value was probably much higher last year for example).
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Also, where do Kadri and Colborne fit in? We’re obviously waiving Crabb/Boyce, and then we’ll also need to somehow get rid of Armstrong, Lombardi, and someone else on our roster (hopefully not Grabbo)
by Holidays in the Sundin on Feb 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Waive Rosehill scratch Crabb/Boyce. Kadri/Colborne lead the MArlies to a Hershey cup.
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Holy shit I think Hershey has won it too many times
A Calder cup.
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
haha forgot we still had Rosehill
I guess I mean more like next year. I’m not sure playing 3 full years in the AHL is good for either of their developments
by Holidays in the Sundin on Feb 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
maybe as an NHLer.
Not many teams have enforcers anymore
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Matt “future 50 goal scorer” Frattin?
Noooooooo!!!!
/psyche
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
we must get dustin brown. he is worth the 3 and change per year.
by power-forward on Feb 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Frattin is a guy id like to hold on to. Schenn is not, at this point.
This deal would get us uninvested in Schenn and allow us to just grab one of the 1000ufa #4 d men that are available every year
by Ben Schnell on Feb 24, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn is not untouchable for me, but I still don’t want to necessarily sell him low. Frattin I’d really like to hold onto. He’s already just about good enough to be a NHL 3rd liner.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Brown is still better and is only 27. If we are lucky Frattin turns into Brown but a bit less physical
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
He’s 27? Man, he’s so old. He’ll be crap by the time he’s 30.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
If we trade Schenn AND Frattin, I’d like to get a salary dump in there like Armstong or Lombardi for Penner. Probably dreaming but I do that sometimes.
If we give them 5 million in salary and get back only 3 million that isn’t good enough for you?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not really, Frattin’s on Marlies so i wouldnt count his salary and it’s not like Schenn’s contract is a burden like Lombardi’s or Conolly’s…
This season? One could argue Schenn contract is.
He has been a healthy scratch many times, where as the other 2 have played unless they were injured.
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Schenn’s slow foot speed has everybody trying to skate by him. Once they get by him he usually panics and sends a suicide pass or flips it into the neutral zone. #!$%!$.
Someone mentioned last night (kinda funny) Reimer skated to the bench and passed Schenn
by GettinGiggy on Feb 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Brown is absolute best case scenario for what Frattin could be. Do i take Dustin Brown for a guy who if everything goes right could be Dustin Brown? HELL YES!!!!
by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Frattin is only like 3 years younger. Doubt he turns into Brown.
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
he wont, not even close, if he had that skill he would have broke into the NHL 2 years ago
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
He was busy trying to redeem himself and finish his University education. Remember he missed over a yr because of his suspension. Went out to work in order to pay for the rest of his University because his pops cut him off for getting arrested. Not all stories follow the same a,b,c script.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, see you missed the point, if Frattin was anywhere as good as Brown, he would not have been a 4th round pick, and he would not have been in college hockey for 4 years, had he that skill level, he would have made the NHL sooner
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
thats why i said absolute best case scenario.
by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Im not so sure want to use an asset like Schenn on Dustin Brown.
The guy is solid, don’t get me wrong. But if Schenn is worth something, I’d target other players.
If we are talking about Luke Schenn trade rumours, I’d rather target a guy like Sam Gagne.
I actually wasn’t a big fan of the rumoured JVR swap.
Gagne is a young talented centre, his possesion numbers are decent, and he is probably entering his prime… now. Fits our timeline well.
I dunno, Im not a big advanced stats guy but JVR is 22 was on pace for 20 goals+ 50ish points when he went down. Probably a guy that can score 30 in a couple of years. No chance on a deal until at least summer now
I’m fine with standing pat and tryin to get him in the off-season. I’d take JVR before Brown.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Gagne is 32 in a couple days… and he’s a winger… he’s old and oft injured
Gagner on the other hand only makes sense as a Grabo replacement in hopes he blossoms with the Leafs like Grabo did
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha
Thanks for the assist.
I’d want Gagner, and also to keep Grabbo. Hell, lets get Brown too! Then our lineup can be:
MacA – Grabbo – Brown
Kulemin – Gagner – Kessel
Lupul – Colborne – Kadri
Whatever
I’ve taken the liberty of vaporizing a few players.
It is pretty similar to this years. If you switch Lpul back onto Kessel’s wing than you have swapped Bozak for Gagner (slight upgrade), MGK has probably taken a slight upgrade with Brown and our third line has downgraded at C to Colborne but upgraded on the wings with MacA and Kadri.
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If you take away Gagners ridiculous 8 point game Bozak has 4 more points in the same number of games
I know you can’t take away points, I just wanted to show that if Gagner is good for one extreme game a season, the other 81 Bozak has a slight edge.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Except Gagner is 4 years younger and now has 4 of 5 seasons from 18-22 at 0.6 ppg or better. That is actually really good. I thought he was underrated before the 8 point game and overrated after it.
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So since he’s overrated now we should overpay to get him? Also he’s going to be more expensive to resign than Tyler
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
rosterbating to that seems like a waste of time, usually our suggestions are at least a C cup thats more like an A cup
by schennsational on Feb 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve taken the liberty of vaporizing a few players
el oh el!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
BCapp said it:
Except Gagner is 4 years younger [than Bozak] and now has 4 of 5 seasons from 18-22 at 0.6 ppg or better. That is actually really good. I thought he was underrated before the 8 point game and overrated after it.
well
that line is good for..
15g – 30g – 25g
20g – 20g – 40g
20g – 10g – 10g
sum of 190g.. not too bad
Heh Gagner
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So basically – Kings traded Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, Jack Johnson, 1st and 2nd for Richards and Carter…
Good propsect, future 2nd liner, offense only dman, 1st and 2nd for two top Cs in the league, bravo.
they sure miss Simmonds though. That’s a guy I’d love to have on my team.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Ya if Mike RIchards didn’t get that concussion, no one would be saying that
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What? They arent similar players at all.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Why do they miss Simmonds?
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hard forechecker, makes space for other players, solid depth player
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Richards forechecks, can score more, physical and isnt a depth player but a top line player.
Tell me again why they would miss Simmonds if they had a healthy Richards?
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because scoring depth on the LA kings is non-existant.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Richards is also a top 6 centre, Simmonds is more of a top 9.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Thats not true. Richards is more of a top3 center and Simmonds is a top 6.
by Ben Schnell on Feb 24, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
A person might say there are almost 3 times as many…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
dreger
Busy day ahead. Leafs will push CBJ to make decision on Nash. Would like to know by tomorrow. NYR will likely do the same. Brown is plan B.
OH FUCK NO.
No Rick Nash, please.
Also, I could see the Rangers going hard for Brown, he fits their team well.
I dunno if I would say Callahan is more talented….
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what does Brown have to do with this?
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Leroy Brown
He’s the baddest.
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by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is a man who just traded Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson and a conditional first, and who won’t be employed at the end of the year.
We may actually manage to get Rick Nash for Komisarek for Armstrong and a third.
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
The funny thing
is if somehow we do end up getting Nash, I’m probably going to be pretty fucking stoked.
It’s just the godamn asking price seems so damn high.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
they sold low on Carter. Who knows what Howsen does….that said I doubt we get Nash.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
If it happens I will
A) Get his jersey
B) rationalize giving up the assets
C) be fucking stoked because we have RICK NASH
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Where does he play? With Connolly? Nash on our 3rd line? Weird.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Nash plays wherever the fuck Rick Nash wants to play.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
For sure. It’s just interesting to have such depth. I certainly wouldn’t mind having him on the team. People say, oh, he’s no better than Kessel. That’s fine. If he is exactly as good as Phil Kessel, then, by all means, play for us. I know the cap hit is larger, but still. It’s the best player rule. And maybe if we can score more goals we can make up for goaltending.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
And maybe if we can score more goals we can make up for goaltending.
Ugh I hope Burke isn’t thinking like this. We still need to address goaltending and defense. It’s just not the only problem.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. But adding Nash doesn’t necessarily prevent us from fixing those other problems.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
be nice if he told Howsen “I’m only going to Toronto so make a deal”. That’s only way we’ll get him
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes, the Leafs fan dream scenario.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like quite a few people here are going hard for Brown too.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Now that I think of it
The Blackhawks should be trying to grab Dustin Brown. The guy would fit well throughout their lineup, but particularly on Dave Bolland’s wing. Strengthen that checking line, and give it more of a scoring threat.
I think they primarily want defense/goaltending
Also, If LA wants Schenn and Frattin, who would the Hawks send? Hayes and Leddy?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think we primarily need defense/goaltending.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
True, but I don’t see LA trading him to a conference rival that they’re fighting with over a Playoff spot.
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How I read it
CBJ withholding a decision on Nash holds up other deals around the league. NYR could be in on Brown if Nash isn’t moved. Etc, etc. Doesn’t mean Leafs want Nash.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Burke may not be interested in any of the names but having the Leafs on that list of teams interested sure spices up deadline day!
GO RATINGS GO
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure it means the Leafs are at least passively interested in Nash.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Or
they’re saying they are to force LA to take less for Brown. I beleive it’s called “the mindfuck.”
by billbarilkodisappeared on Feb 24, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
That only works if you can make a deal with LA before Nash is dealt though. If you want Brown, it’s better to do it while supply (Nash being available) is at its peak. Why force a decision on a guy who’s driving down the price?
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
It could also work in reverse… using Brown to drive the price down on Nash.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Also true. All of this just reinforces that if the Leafs actually are trying to force Columbus’ hand as reported, then they have some level of interest in Nash. Otherwise it makes no sense.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Agreed. The best thing that happened to Burke is that Carter went to LA freeing up Brown.
However the team I think that should make the biggest push for Brown is Vancouver. Good thing for us however is I doubt LA trades within the conference.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
“Would like to know by tomorrow” seems to be in conflict with that reading. I mean, why would the Leafs especially want to know? If it’s purely about holding up other deals, wouldn’t the whole league want to know?
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by Bower Power on Feb 24, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I read it as Burke has a somewhat lowball offer on Nash, but now that Brown is available he wants an answer so he can go hard after Brown if necessary.
I think Burke still wants Nash over Brown but Brown is such a good 2nd option that now he’s definitely not overpaying for Nash
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think we overpay for Brown before we overpay for Nash. Just because overpaying for Brown still costs less than Nash at a good price.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Garry Valk
Did anyone else notice Garry Valk up in the stands at around the 10min mark of the first period last night? I mean, it must have been him, because who owns a Garry Valk jersey?
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions
Noticed the same thing too. Wasn’t it a young kid wearing it?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Valks career:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…scores overtime winner against pens in 1999 playoffs…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
About sums it up?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
best
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha ha.. who is Markov saluting? Jagr?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Presumably
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
jagr and the pens
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
He is doing the salute to a player on the penguins in 99. I think it might be directed to Robert Lang
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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a player on the penguins in 99
I think three of us just agreed it was Jagr.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
jump, because the joke went right over your head
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I pretended to get whooshed only to see you get whooshed back…
Jokes on you, sucka!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
New winner for stupidest comment of the day clrk?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by Monday everyone will be using it every other comment. Just you wait
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Boy, what’s that phrase people say when you’re on a roll or something?
You’re on fire, or something? Well, whats the opposite of that, cuz that’s what I think I am today?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
by Monday everyone will be using it every other comment. Just you wait
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Capgeek with
a hella interesting tweet:
Via @dchesnokov, Phil Esposito: “I scored 76 goals and made $18,000.” Today, 207 NHLers make $18,000 or more — per day. For perspective on that, $18,000 in 1971 is about $106,000 today, per the Bank of Canada.
The NHL in 1971 didn’t have nearly the gate draw, TV deals, endorsements, or merchandising deals it does today.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
its almost as if 40 years ago is a different time than now
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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BEES
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
by MLS on Feb 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
CBJ probably figured they could get more overall by splitting up the assets.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, get two first this year than say a 1st in 12 and 13
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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The Leafs seem to be unable to put together a complete game these days. If A goes wrong, B is good. If B goes wrong, A is good.
Dat rebuild
I am very hard pressed to call last nights game a “bad” game, they played against a very good team who showed up and whose goalie played out of his mind and the Leafs only lost by 1 goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Josh Rimer @JoshRimerHockey
Been told very unlike we see Ryan Suter moved between now and Deadline. Both Preds & Suter most likely get deal done after season.
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Just not sure he’s going to leave NJ to sign with a team that, let’s be honest, is crappier.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
NJD isn’t any better than the Leafs without Brodeur and if Parise leaves.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Was just going to post this same thing.
Marty’s last year and minus Parise (especially if the Leafs are “plus Parise”) and we’re better than they are.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
NJD should use this year to forfeit that 1st round pick. There’s a real risk it could be an earlier pick next year
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah at this point they’d probably be stupid not to.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I don’t mean to say he stays, I just think he goes to a better team than us. Especially if we don’t make the playoffs, again.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I have almost 0 faith he comes to Toronto but that isn’t going to stop me from making several blog posts commemorating his awesomeness.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
yeah especially with our whole “we don’t sign terrible cap circumvention long contracts”
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think LA just took themselves out of the pool. I think he could go home though and play for Minnesota
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Not surprised
#TeamParise2012
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been aggressively trying to make it a thing for weeks now.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just got a text from a buddy, “Howson is on tilt. Make offer for Nash.”
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Do you have that power???
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Wait where’s PPP… being Dave Nonis he can advise Burke what to do!
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Alright, you caught me. I’m actually Brian Burke, coming onto PPP to gauge fan reaction to potential moves. Shucks. If you want even more insider information read BCP //thumbs up!
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I don’t want you I want Nonis damnit!
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’d offer him….let me check my pockets…..15$, a roll up the rim free coffee, and some lint.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I have 7.43 in my pocket consider it added to the pot
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
$160 here (just went to the bank yesterday to replenish my “yuppy food stamps” supply).
Either Nash or Brown can have it all if it gets a deal done that doesn’t cost us more than two of our “top 25 prospects”.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I gotta hit the bank on my way home tonight… I have a big weekend of drinking ahead of me. Last weekend of reading week and 2 birthdays.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
and Leafs playing Washington, so whether we win or lose you’re going to want many beers in hand.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’m missing tomorrows game due to alcohol commitments.
Pre drink at my place then bar tonight, have to work overtime tomorrow afternoon then dinner/drinks at my friends house (was supposed to be pond hockey but too warm for ice) followed by more bar time. I’ll catch some of the game at my buddies but he’s not a hockey fan really soo
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
probably the most important game to date given how close we are to washington in the standings. Also, if we somehow beat them, especially in a bad way, they could implode, which would be highly entertaining.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
a roll up the rim free coffee
You can include my roll up the rim coffee cup from this morning too, but, it’s already rolled up and it’s not a winner.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Per McKenzie on the radio, the Kings turned down a 1st round pick and a good prospect for Bernier last year. Wonder if they wish they’d accepted that trade now.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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Also says Leafs aren’t in big on Nash and want an answer on him so they can look at other options.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
“in big on Nash” sounds like “there is an offer, but it’s not very good” to me
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
it’s all up to Nash, he can go wherever he wants. Howsen has very little leverage. Come on Nash, make ’em take a crappy offer and come home! /notquiteserious
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Howson has tons of leverage, he doesn’t have to trade him at all and then he is stuck with rick nash
oh no!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Howson’s whole leverage is, “I can keep you here if I want to”. It’s not nothing but it isn’t much either. I think CBJ has to move him but it’s all about what the best offer is. Sounds like NYR are more serious than anyone
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
They don’t have to move him sure, but he doesn’t want to stay. That’s pretty clear. They’re going to keep him for the rest of his contract? No way. None. So he’s got to move eventually (probably by summer), and he has full controll over where he goes.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I said this above. He probably has a reasonable offer for Nash but will not go higher. Now he’s saying either accept this or decline it so we can each move on to other trades. This to me says Nash is still preferable to Brown, but not by much. If Brown was prefered Burke would’ve at least postpone his offer saying “we are trying for Brown first but if we can’t get him we’ll talk Nash again”
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Also says even though Leafs and Grabbo aren’t close on a contract, can’t imagine him being traded just for futures. Would only do it if they got a roster player back.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
McKenzie also confirms LeBrun’s report that Schenn+Frattin is likely more than Toronto would give up for Brown.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m honestly wondering if the reason Burke can’t make a trade is because he’s looking to turn bronze into gold and is frustrated that no one wants it.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
He does seem frustrated no one is letting him rip them off.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Hate it when that happens
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Frattin’s a good prospect
And Maybe Burke’s looking at 2-3 years for a real Cup run.
As of now, the Leafs are nowhere near being contenders.
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#TeamRe-signGrabovski
#TeamKuleminIsMyGoat
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Frattin is a 3rd liner who is marginally better than Joey Crabb and he has very little upside.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is a case of way over-rating a prospect because he happens to currently play for the Leafs. If the Leafs were considering trading Kulemin last season and the hold-up was that the other team wouldn’t give up a 24 year old 3rd liner we would be laughing hysterically at them.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Frattin is the most overrated player in the Leafs system. The “new hotness”. A lot like Aulie last year…
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Frattin is the type of player who’s not intimidated to get dirty in the corners. Can take hits, dish them out, and pot in 15-20 goals/season.
Great 3rd liner, possible good 2nd liner
I would have loved to see him replace Kulemin for a couple games to see how he play with MacA and Grabbo
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he did replace Kulemin a few games
it was meh
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Someone wisely asks McKenzie if the Leafs would look at adding a defender because they’re bad at defence, McKenzie said it would make sense and the Leafs might be re-thinking a bit because they’ve allowed so many goals lately, but doesn’t think it’s something the team is really looking for right now.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the price for Kyle Quincey. Fuck those prices.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Quincey is a puck-moving d-man, and we’ve got plenty of those, but I’d trade our 1st for a guy his age who played 22 minutes a night and was good defensively.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Last year: Leafs can’t score goals; Brian Burke “We need a stud defenseman.”
This year: Leafs can’t stop goals being scored: Brian Burke “We need a stud forward.”
Brian Burke is hockey dyslexic.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
but he traded a stud defenseman for a stud forward, so maybe this year he will trade a stud forward for a stud defenseman?
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I missed the game last night, was at dinner then some charity party at the Thomson hotel. About 11:30 or 12:00 Luke Schenn walks right by me to leave. Didn’t even see him come in.
Also, Keith Richards daughter was ‘DJing’ (ie playing a playlist on her macbook). She wasn’t very good.
That's "Da-ooo". Oh, and I tweet now too @dannyd1976.
Did you talk to him?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Nope. He went by so fast, I almost didn’t realize it was him till he was past me. I wasn’t going to chase him down like a fanboy. Although he was looking pretty dreamy. I was also drunk and probably would have asked him something like ‘so what the hell’s happened to your game since you signed that fat contract?’ which wouldn’t have ended well.
That's "Da-ooo". Oh, and I tweet now too @dannyd1976.
HAHAHA
some guy on TSN radio just cited incarceratedbob as a source
bobbie mac is answerign questions
incarcerated bob has a bunch of moron lackys on the internet who he sends at people who call him on bullshit
people follow him like sheep because people are stupid
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I usually listen to TSN1050 sections that DONT allow call-in portions.
Radio Call-in shows are awful
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Bob loves to knock down the mongers a peg or two
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
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Waivers today: Van Der Gulik, Miettinen, Rosehill, Boyce
by Tothelinebutnotout on Feb 24, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Something’s happening.
Wonder if Burke is bringing up Kadri and Colborne, or Kadri and Holzer?
Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.
Quick, everyone, first impression speculation, STAT!
Involve a trade as well as Holzer coming up
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Clearing room for none other than:
CROSBY
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice title….dick
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
oh damnit that was such a fail on my part
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
why do people get so upset about missing the occasional tittle?
That's "Da-ooo". Oh, and I tweet now too @dannyd1976.
Any excuse to yell at people mostly
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Holzer come up? Burke cleared two forwards from the roster and they already have Komi sitting in the press box. I know it’s because he’s not very good but don’t they have enough defensemen at the moment?
Because this means they are trading a dman for Brown duuh!
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Involve a trade
My speculation was that a trade was involved. For one of our dmen. And Holzer would replace that spot.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ignoring the obviously important part
Miettinen is on waivers eh? He was a solid player in Minni.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Seriously though
About damn time Rosehill is waived.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Progress is:
The Toronto Maple Leafs without a useless enforcer.
<3 Progress <3
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Miettinen the one who was signed by Tampa to a 2 year deal mid season went on waivers and was claimed by Winnipeg?
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really? He put up 15-20 G 40 pts consistently with them.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
which is a lot for a guy playiing on Minnesota
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
They believe it’s only because he was getting 1st line minutes with Koivu.
O! To join the rush / As the season builds
by Back In Black on Feb 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I don’t know how to link haha
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2011/4/20/2121679/minnesota-wild-season-grades-antti-miettinen
by Holidays in the Sundin on Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
#TeamHolzer
#FortheloveofgoddosomethingBurke
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Waivers today: Van Der Gulik, Miettinen, Rosehill, Boyce
I’m on the BBB bandwagon… BRING BACK BRENT!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’m also on the BBB band wagon… BYEBYE BOYCE
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm building a beautiful statue, to make sure that no one forgets you
by jimmyp22 on Feb 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re a stupid comment!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/insert “So’s yer FACE!” oneupmanship
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Boyce and Rosehill on waivers helps clear room for the Leafs to made a deal. Also allows to call someone up if needed.
Jeez, if only Burke hadn’t wasted millions of cap dollars by having Rosehill and Orr healthy scratches for so damn long.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Leafs have like $6.5M in cap space for the rest of this year… I think that’s plenty.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Millions? Orr has been in the minors for half the year and Rosehill makes barely above league minimum.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
And Burke always wants to have a full 23 man roster. Rosehill has basically cost us nothing as he is as cheap as anyone we could replace him with. Orr probably was about 400 000 more than a replacement and was there for half a season…
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Its not Burke who wants that full 23 man roster. The NHLPA would flip shit if a team didn’t have a full roster and had the cap space.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Why? There’s no “you must have a 23 man roster” rule. And more guys on rosters who aren’t playing may eat into escrow for players who are actually playing.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Has any team run longer than a week or two with less than 23?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Calgary a few years ago … but they were forced to by poor cap management.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dreger just tweeted Rosehill/Boyce on waivers
callups for Kadri/Frattin coming? or trade pending?
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
TRADED FOR NASH STRAIGHT UP
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
OVERPAY!!!
Toronto Maple Leafs: Lupul is Lupul backwards
Officially on Team Re-Sign Grabbo
Twitter
by LeafFan1989 on Feb 24, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
say what you will, the Leafs just got a bit less Boyce-strous
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m glad Burke finally took off his Rosehill-colored glasses and started making some moves!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are making Mountains out of Rosehills
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a league of men, not Boyce.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Feb 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t wait for some of our Boyce to turn into men. We have some good young prospects but they still have some Rosehills to climb before they get there
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are surprisingly energetic after smoking a Jay.
by dgriot on Feb 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In Soviet Russia, Jay smokes you!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
just saw on capgeek that rosehill makes same 600K whether he’s in AHL or up on the big club. no wonder he’s just been sitting there in the press box. no difference for salary purposes until now (when presumably we need some cap space).
Also a team that has available cap space having less than 23 people on the roster would have the NHLPA up in arms. I think of all the players we have around league minimum Rosehill was the easiest to stash in the pressbox.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
i will be a sad panda if we move gardiner
by power-forward on Feb 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Frattin love has finally started annoying me
Here is a list of Frattin comparables over the last 5 years
The parameters are:
23-25
First and second year (technically Frattin played a game last year so to include him I had to do this)
Minimum 25 GP
Forward
0.2-0.35 PPG
For interests sake Frattin has a 0.26 PPG.
Viktor Stalberg
Torrey Mitchell
Ryan Jones
Cody McLeod
Tim Kennedy
Darroll Powe
Kamil Kreps
Mason Raymond
David Clarkson
B.J. Crombeen
T.J. Hensick
David Jones
Byron Bitz
Jesse Winchester
Ryan Carter
Evgeny Artyukhin
Andrew Desjardins
Drew Miller
Tom Wandell
Derek Dorsett
Joel Lundqvist
Dan Sexton
Liam Reddox
Cal O’Reilly
Brian Boyle
Matt Frattin
Matt Moulson
Eric Nystrom
Rich Peverley
Joey Crabb
Benn Ferriero
Patrick Thoresen
Christian Hanson
Peter Olvecky
Denis Tolpeko
So we have 35 names there. Roughly half are bottom 6 forwards. A couple are either more or still have the potential to be more (Peveryley, Raymond, Moulson maybe David Jones and Stalberg). At least a third aren’t even NHLers.
I am aware that this is just looking at NHL production and not his “intangibles” or production in other leagues, but honestly it is probably a pretty representative list.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I guess you could argue that Clarkson is a top 6 forward as he has more goals than Parise this year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but imagine if all the attempts he whiffed on this season would have been goals!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
100% of the shots you don't miss go in
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
He could be the next Matt Moulson! Now all we need is Tavares.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t you also set a limit on the maximum number of games played? I think experience level counts for a lot in this comparison and it has more to do with amount of time spent in the league than age. If some of these guys have already been in the league for a while I would say their ceiling is a bit better defined than Frattin’s. I’m not an expert on the game by any means but I think his ceiling is closer to a 2nd line power forward scoring 25-30 goals a year. I’m pretty sure he lead the NCAA in goal scoring his last year so clearly he’s got the offensive instincts. All he needs now is time to develop and I think trading him now would be a mistake (obviously dependent on the return/other pieces of the deal).
Frattin is not scoring 30 goals in the NHL unless he plays on a line with Joe Thornton and Sidney Crosby. I would be surprised if he ever hits 20.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
why?
Sorry if you’ve explained yourself elsewhere already but is there any particular reason? He has speed, he’s really strong on the puck, and he has an absolute rocket of a shot. What don’t you like about him?
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by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He’s 24 years old. Goal scoring tends to peak around 24-26. He can’t even crack the 3rd line of a team that might not make the playoffs. 30 goals would have made him the 30th highest scoring player in the NHL last season. The odds of a guy who can’t crack an NHL roster at 24 while on pace for just 11 goals suddenly becoming one of the NHL’s top goal scorers is extremely low.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I did
First and second year (technically Frattin played a game last year so to include him I had to do this)
They have to be a rookie and/or sophomore. These are his comparisons.
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Still, he could just be a late bloomer. I don’t know exactly how comparable these situations are but we hung on to Gunnar for a long time and look what he turned in to.
Defenseman are very different from forwards.
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True, forwards do peak a little earlier don’t they. Back to the original topic of discussion though (I think) you have me reconsidering whether a schenn+frattin trade for brown would be good. I’d probably take that trade if only because the leafs do need brown now more than they need frattin in a year or two. I still don’t think 25 goals is unreasonable for frattin for reasons stated above. And maybe this is just me being a typical leafs fan with ridiculous trade proposals but I’d rather give up franson, kadri, and a 3rd or 4th rounder than schenn and frattin. We have a lot of puck moving defensemen but no one that hits as much schenn. Also, that deal sends pure offense LAs way which might sweeten the deal for them.
Do you know how many guys score greater than 25 goals in a year?
Last year it was 53. The year before it was 58
30 goals?
29 and 24
Do you really believe that Frattin will be a top 60 goal scorer (top 2 on a team) as a 25 goal scorer or a top 30 goal scorer (best on a team) as a 30 goal scorer?
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Frattin will be a 20+ goal scorer next year
He’s had plenty of scoring opportunities, just a lot of bad puck luck (kind of reminds me of Lupul’s luck last season, kept getting chances, just wasn’t closing the deal).
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
37 games, 5 goals, 9% shooting which is league average on 55 shots playing on the 2nd/3rd lines.
To hit 20, he’d either have to double his shot total (not likely) or double his shooting percentage (even more unlikely.)
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What his shot totals and Shooting % line in the minors… i bet its high…
My guess is Frattin over a full season would put up 125 shots and a 12% shooting. That is 15 goals for those playing the home game.
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He has a very good shot and I think his previous MO of being a goal scorer and having high rates (I assume) in the AHL and College show he’s an above average shooter, who will improve (to a point) in time.
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So after his first 37 games in the NHL, coming out of US college hockey and bouncing between line mates we are ready to say he is unlikely to score 20 goals in the league. How about a full season before declaring him on thing or another? 3SA
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Goal scoring tends to peak around 25 years old. It’s unlikely that Frattin can’t make the team at 24 but that he’s suddenly going to be a reliable goal-scorer at 27 or 28.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
An interesting point
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Teams are only allowed four callups after Monday, by moving Boyce and Rosehill now, the #leafs wan’t to save those.
No no, dig UP stupid.
if i remember correctly, burke absolutely HATES that rule
by allanbester on Feb 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
You would be correct
but he also has to abide by it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
he’ll lobby hard to get rid of it in this CBA. There’s really no reason for it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t see why the call*up* rule would affect the Leafs ability to send players down.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
in case they need to call them back up
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I interpreted it as he wants to send those players down so he could callup (if he doesn’t trade) 2 players before Monday and save the 4 for later.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, that makes sense.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
send them down. If you trade, you have open spots, no roster moves necessary. If not, monday evening/night you call up some youngins.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Something to chew on, get pissed at
Burke wasted nearly $1M capspace this year on 21 combined games of Colton Orr and Jay Rosehill. Together they recorded all of 1 assist and 4 fights with Rosehill picking up an additional 3 minor penalties.
One. Million. Dollars. For that.
Think about this when you’re debating whether or not Grabbo is worth $5 or $5.5M.
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Burke likes to keep a full roster in case of injuries, especially when the team is on the road. Orr/Rosehill aren’t going to stop us from adding salary, and it’s clear that Burke is willing to waive them if we need the roster spot. I don’t think the team needs either player, but I’d be hard pressed to find a way that they hurt us this season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Think about this when you’re debating whether or not Grabbo is worth $5 or $5.5M.
Thought about it. Yup, he is.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Replace them with 2 league minimum players to keep you at 23 players. Burke wasted $322,702.83 on those 2 players. Keep that in mind
The NHLPA wouldn’t allow a team not to carry 23 players if they had the cap space.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So long as the team can field a full lineup every night and stays above the cap floor I don’t think the league can say boo.
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Which is true, but it is a separate issue. At least in my eyes.
Issue 1= Burke kept these 2 garbage goons on the roster
Issue 2=Burke insists on carrying 23 players.
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The NHLPA wouldn’t allow a team not to carry 23 players if they had the cap space.
Responding to that.
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Fair enough. Mine was more a general point to this conversation that Skinny keeps bringing up.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean “wouldn’t allow”? Where in the CBA does it say a team has to carry 23 players?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s what the CBA says about roster limits:
(a) For the 2005/06 League Year and thereafter, there shall be a maximum of
twenty-three (23) Players on each Club’s Active Roster at any one time, provided,
however, that, on the date of each season’s Trade Deadline, a Club’s Active Roster may
be increased to any number of Players the Club, in its discretion, so determines, subject to
Article 50 hereof.
(b) Except in case of emergency, there shall be no reduction of the required
minimum Playing Rosters of the Clubs, below eighteen (18) skaters and two (2)
goaltenders.
CBA explicitly allows teams to carry as few as 20 players. The PA would have no case.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
No the CBA explicitly says they have to ice 20. Doesn’t mention a minimum on the roster.
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It’s not about “icing” 20. It’s about carrying 20 on your active roster.
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A refers to the max where they call it the “Active Roster”. B refers to the minimum where they call it the “Playing Rosters”. I assume A was talking about the 23 man roster and B was who was “iced”
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You can’t ice 20 players if you have less than 20 on your roster.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but it isn’t explicitly stated what the minimum “Active Roster” is. These kind of technicalities are what make contracts so damn long.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but it isn’t explicitly stated what the minimum “Active Roster” is. These kind of technicalities are what make contracts so damn long.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The NHLPA wouldn’t allow a team not to carry 23 players if they had the cap space.
They have absolutely no authority over this whatsoever. The CBA states that a team must carry a minimum of 20 players on their active roster, and a maximum of 23. In the middle? Don’t give a fuck.
Also, the Marlies are in the same freaking city. Burke needs to use that to his advantage and go with a short roster. He can make game day callups if necessary for injuries is both teams are in town.
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I think a team limiting the number of NHL jobs for the PA’s players “unnecessarily” could be a way to go.
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You could counter by saying with a smaller roster, I can pay my players more money.
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Moving forward yes. But this year when the team has the cap space they have no argument.
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Except with it being allowed in the league’s controlling documents. They have that argument.
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They would end up winning because they aren’t tied, but damn they would look back when the PA leaks the arbitration arguments.
“As a Leafs team that had 100 million in profit last year, and 5 million in cap space we decided that the best move was to pay them only 100K a year in the AHL instead of 500K in the NHL because we could”
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So sorry you weren’t good enough to earn an NHL roster spot kid. Better luck next year. Get out of my office.
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“I have an empty roster spot, but you’re right you just suck so much air is better than you, but we want you to stay with this organization”
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If that kind of move offends a fringe NHL/AHLer, I’m sure there’s another fringe NHL/AHLer out there who would gladly take his job
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Phoenix loses $25 million annually.
If they decided to save a couple million on salaries by carrying 21 or 22 players instead of 23 that would be a pretty prudent business decision
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But that is a business decision and the players don’t give a fuck if Phoenix is losing 24 million or 25 million. They would worry about those 3 players who aren’t making NHL money because the Coyotes are “being greedy”
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PA can be angry all it wants, it literally has no case because the CBA that they signed explicitly allows teams to carry less than 23 players.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Game. Blouses.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 24, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I said about the PA would lose a greivance but the team would lose the respect of the players
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we carry 20 players so you’ll never be a scratch.
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NHL players are like a brotherhood to quite a few players or so I’m told. If you fuck with others its going to affect how your team looks at you even if it doesn’t affect them themselves.
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They collectively bargain based on total hockey-related revenues.
If a financially struggling team can reinvest 1 million dollars in its marketing and events and try to lure more fans in, that increases hockey-related revenues and the brotherhood gets a bigger slice of pie.
That`s how economics work
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Yes but that team would still be the team spending that money. If a team did it just so their bottom line would look prettier there would be an issue.
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If a team cut a player who was making 1 million and carried only 22 players and the owner pocketed the 1 million for himself because the team still made 200 million but they only spent 159 million on salaries/others instead of the 160 million so his profit margin was 41 million this year instead of the 40 million if they had that player on the team.
You are saying the players would understand that?
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The kinds of players who would be likely to get placed on waivers probably understand the position they’re in, yes. That’s why guys like Boyce fight so hard to keep their roster spot.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
How pissed do you think players would be if a well liked but fringe NHLer like Boyce worked his ass off to stay in the NHL but lost his job because the owner wanted to pocket his salary instead.
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They might feel sorry for the guy a bit but every NHL players knows that’s how it works and I doubt they lose much sleep over it.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
“Nature of the business”
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The “nature of the business” is to leave roster spots open so the owner can buy that extra jaguar?
Players would shrug that off but it would stick with players. “Owner A would rather save $500k than pay his players”
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I worked as a line cook for many years, wanna know how many nights I got sent hm because it wasn’t busy and they needed to cut hours?
If a team is not making money, sorry kid you’re going to the minors. The NHL is a business just like everything else and the players are the employees
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Are you really this naive? You really think that’s how the NHL works? That it’s those damn fat-cat top 1% owners sitting around in their Jaguars nickel-and-diming fringe players?
And do you honestly think the NHLPA would go to war over something like that? When those same owners are handing out $100M+ contracts to other players, who happen to also be in the same union?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are only 690 total roster spots in the NHL, if every team went to the roster max. There are way more than 690 hockey players. If a team decides to carry less than the max, the only players this really matters to are the fringe ones. And frankly if a fringe player decides that the Maple Leafs have offended their sensibilities, then I’m sure there’s another replacement level player out there who would willingly take his job
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think the players themselves would have an issue if every team only carried 20 players. Even the players who are in the top 600. Cutting 90 NHL jobs to save money would offend more than half the remaining 600 imo. Hockey is a brotherhood. If you saw 90 brothers lose the job to save cap hits you would be pissed.
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And instead of complaining about teams trying to save $1M at the edges of an NHL roster, what about all those teams that are below the cap? For instance, the Colorado Avalanche currently have a payroll of $49M. That’s $15M of cash not going to players. Why hasn’t the NHLPA gone to war with teams for not all spending to the cap? It’s the same logic.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
The NHLPA wouldn’t allow a team not to carry 23 players if they had the cap space.
Don’t think this is true.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No he didn’t. They would have to be replaced by someone. The money he wasted on them is relative to a replacement.
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My response to that
… it is a separate issue. At least in my eyes.
Issue 1= Burke kept these 2 garbage goons on the roster
Issue 2=Burke insists on carrying 23 players.
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Well then Burke, in my honest opinion, is stupid on his insistence to carry 23 players.
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Which is totally fair.
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Just because Burke doesn’t something one way doesn’t automatically make that the correct way. Just a reminder.
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I think there is something to be said for creating chemistry and camradrarie in the room by trying to minimize roster turnover, and not having players on eggshells regarding waiver movement.
And that doesn’t even consider the implications of constantly subjecting certain guys to waivers, whether you think they would likely be claimed or not.
Given the current developmental mindset of the organization, I think a healthy balance between the two would be to keep a roster of 22; with one spare defence and one spare forward to expand the coaches’ lineup options, and use the 23rd to give your AHL prospects periodic opportunities in the NHL without disrupting the roster too much.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 24, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For guys with 2-way contracts, even getting called up to sit on the bench is sort of a reward.
They make 10x as much just riding the pine in the bigs than riding the bus with the Marlies. Plus they get to practice with the big club, etc.
Filling the roster limit to the max could be considered him maximizing that type of reward… except for players on 1 way contracts it doesn’t make nearly as much difference.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Skinny’s point is valid.
If a guy like Jay Rosehill doesn’t merit consideration in your lineup, and he’s just there to take up a spot in practice, its just not a good use of the team’s money and it’s cap space.
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Ya, I tried to touch on that with the 1-way contract thing in my last sentence. It makes no sense at all if he’s going to just sit there.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think the two way thing is important. If you are a guy like Boyce it is a huge reward. He took the sub 105 000 AHL contract that allows him to be called up easier. He makes 5x as much being on the NHL roster. You gotta think he appreciates that.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think players would make that much of a stink over a team keeping less than 23 players on its roster. However, yanking a player back and forth from the minors on off days to save a couple of bucks, that’s a dick move.
To wit, when Colaiacovo was still with the Leafs, JFJ did that for about a month where every off day he sent him to the minors and then called him back up on game days.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I agree. I just really think it is two completely different issues. I am probably just splitting hairs.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Orr had a goal?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Goal, assist. whatever. The blood seeping out of my eyeballs made it difficult to read capgeek properly.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
meh, its no worse than wasting millions upon millions of dollars on useless players like Komi, Army, Lombardi. Combined pay: 10.5 million dollars.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Look he went a few posts without dumping on those 3 guys and started twitching
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who else deserves dumping on nearly that much, on our team?
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know I’m just sayign there are bigger fish to fry. My eyes bleed more from reading that on cap geek than keeping Colton Orr for 20 something games
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Komi – NMC
Lombardi – Actually playing hockey games
Army – Was on LTIR and got concussed.
Rosehill and Orr – Sat in the pressbox wasting capspace.
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Burke game Komi the NMC in the first place. A NTC is one thing. A NMC means the situation is worse than with Finger
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
my thoughts
Burke doesn’t really give a fuck about usable capspace if he doesn’t have a use for it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well sure it is. Other teams would obviously want a guy like him. Do I think Burke deals him? No.
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Dreger and McKenzie have both repeatedly mentioned Gunnarsson, which makes me worried that the Leafs actually would trade him.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
if we do, we better be getting a gigantic boat back, plus a goalie. Maybe a goalie on a giagntic boat.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it was Dreger who said that the Leafs wouldn’t move Schenn except for a huge deal, but were considering moving other defenseman including “Franson, Gunnarsson, and Aulie.” I was very displeased and nervous.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hows about they take Schenn instead.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Other GMs: “So, Burkie, how ’bout that Gunnarso—?”
Burke: “No.”
Other GMs: “Okay, well worth a try… moving on…”
Not so unsettling when you put things in perspective, is it?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right. It doesn’t hurt to ask
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Burke will punch them in the face if they keep asking.
So yes, it will hurt to ask.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Brian Burke will physically assault someone for askign about his player
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Yes that is the joke
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Its a really stupid fuckin joke
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What is with you today? Why are you so damn grumpy?
He made a joke about Burke fighting a guy, which is pretty common around here since we heard the barn story. Lighten up.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
cuz its a dumb comment.
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by daoust on Feb 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PERFECT
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More like:
Other GMs: So, Burkie, how ’bout that Gunnarso-
Burke: Give me your best player.
Other GMs: Whaaa?
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Okay with this, if we're talking to the pens:
Other GMs: So, Burkie, how ’bout that Gunnarso-
Burke: Give me your second best player.
Other GMs: Whaaa?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not convinced Burke thinks defence is important.
He has shown a preference for fast skating puck movers and big bruiser hitting defenders that can’t skate and don’t play defence much better. Gunnar excels at neither.
Gunnar isnt a fast skating puck mover?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
so basically, he is slightly slower than two really fast guys, but he moves the puck
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
He is balanced defencer like Phaneuf and Phaneuf is more gifted puck mover. We know Gunnar is valuable to the team and probably the best defender and with the moves that have been made I’m not convinced management views him as highly as he is on here.
I’m looking at the defensive quality of defender he has added recently – Lebda, Franson, Liles and Gardiner. Gardiner has potential and he traded away beauchi who never played well on leafs. And notthat I want him back at all, I much prefer Gardiner, but he has been ok unloading defensive defenders for the right prospect/player.
he traded away beauchi who never played well on leafs
stopped reading right there, because
A- he traded away Beauchemin because he got a ridiculous return for him
B- Beauchemin played pretty damned well for the Leafs against the toughest competition in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
you want to know why Burke hasn’t brought in many strong 2 way defenders? because they are either very expensive to attain or not available at all because GMs tend to lock those guys up
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Beauchi looks much better on ducks then he did on the leafs. And I agree, he is a very capable shutdown defender who faced difficult competition.
I’m not convinced Gunnar is untradeable and not sure how much Burke values him. And this is different from saying Gunnar will be traded or is being actively shopped.
no one is untradable, but you are basing your “he is more available because Burke doesn’t like 2 way guys for some reason” is preposterous
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure if I meant more available. I was saying Burke seems to value other defender qualities more then defensive defender.
how does he seem to value them more? that makes no sense
that’s like saying Burke values 3rd line grinders more than he does 1st line centers because he gets them more often
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
That is a valid point. It is an observation of the type of defenders he has accumulated over his tenure.
He does talk about his preference for physical players in general and puck moving defenders was a need to be addressed last year but I don’t recall him saying the team need to improve the quality of shut down defender.
Beauch has been the best defensive defender we have seen in the last 4 years.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
probably the best defender
This needs to stop.
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still wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think he literally means defender vs defenseman.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
still wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
He has shown a preference for fast skating puck movers and big bruiser hitting defenders that can’t skate and don’t play defence much better. Gunnar excels at neither.
If this is Burke’s logic behind trading Gunnarsson, IMO, he doesn’t deserve to be Leafs GM.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was only half-joking when I said I was going to start cheering for the Red Wings if Gunnar gets traded.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fixed
I was only half-joking when I said I was going to start cheering for the Red Wings penguins if Gunnar gets traded.
Sorry, can’t bring myself to cheer for the wings, no way, no how.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting some amazing mention on Twitter today
SkinnyPPPhish mirtle Orr and Rosehill gave Grabo protection so he could score enough to earn that extra $500k #giveyourheadashake
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I wonder which Maple Leafs that guy’s been watching all year.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the more Leafs fans I get following me on Twitter, the more crazy stuff like that that I get sent my way. Thankfully, I get plenty of replies too.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I basically ignore majority of the leaf related replies I get from people who dont follow me.
Also I have over 450 followers. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
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are 200 spam/porn related?
I think I have about 100 tweets ever and I have almost 200 followers.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty certain most of my followers are just bots. I have trouble understanding why 400+ random people care about my life.
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I try to report bots and other obvious spammers so I think most of my followers are real people. Or were at one point . . .
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I dont even know how to do that, I have two followers and have never even tweeted. Assuming its bots.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
if you click on their name and see their tweets, you can usually tell who’s a real person. Then, in your followers list, beside the follow button there’s a drop down menu that gives you the option of blocking that account or reporting them for spam or some other things that I don’t pay attention to
I used to do that a lot on the Twitter for iPhone app because it was really easy, but I don’t even know if you can do that on the app anymore, and since I’m on my phone most of the time I’m tweeting I normally don’t block people anymore.
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If you get RTed by weekday dad or weekend dad you’re bound to pick up followers.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
On my birthday last year Chemmy did a tweet saying happy birthday to me and said give me a follow. Holy followers batman
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Yeah, most of my followers have come from Chemmy, PPP, or Bruce Arthur.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
the Leafs RTed me once and I got a bunch of crazy people
by Leafer87 on Feb 24, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You poor thing. If the Leafs ever RTed me I’d be horrified, I’d get a ton of followers telling me that Phaneuf sucks and that we need more offence constantly.
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I’m @MLS122171 ;)
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Real shocker there.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I first used it in grade 10 (10 years ago) when I signed up for a guitar forum. I’d just bought an acoustic/electric with a Canadian maple top. My favourite number is 9. I’ve used it for every username I’ve had since. So in fact, the “Maple” has nothing whatsoever to do with the Maple Leafs. The more you know! ;D
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I don’t follow you just mention me and be like “Hey on PPP I’m (username)”
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Hah, missed a word there. Should have said “Thankfully I get plenty of smart replies too.”
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
that is the best part about getting tweeted by the “big dawgs”
I like playing with the idiots
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
lol thanks for the protection Orr & Rosehill. Without that intimidating glare from the press box, half the Leafs would have been concussed!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
waiving boyce to make room for a trade?
i think you guys hit burke’s plan on the nose… hopefully not boyce’s nose…. his busted-up, owen-wilson’d nose.
Or just to callup one (or two) of Kadri/Colborne/Holzer
Or maybe a trade. Or both.
3 days of crazy left!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
who nose really? who really nose? (peter griffin laugh) “knows.”
by magecanuck on Feb 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Berger, we’re gonna get Ryan Miller lol
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He at least fights back when he gets run over in the net.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
That was wilbur wasnt it
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it was guaranteed from league sources until it fell through….
he just reports the truth, you don't need to be so hard on him
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, if it’s buying low on Miller I’m in.
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Bernier
gives me visions of Justin Pogge all over again, unsure if that’s justified or not. He just seems like he’s primed to be a bust.
well, that escalated quickly
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Steve Bernier is a saint!
Oh… you mean Jon Bernier. Carry on
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That request is proving incredibly challenging.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks
Kings seeking NHL-ready defenseman in deal for Brown, doesn’t appear to be match with Rangers
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Keith Aulie’s been in the NHL most of the year….
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
NHL ready, eh?
Franson, Holzer, Aulie, Schenn.
Take your pick, LA
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Basically ya
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Start a deal with one of them and then add a top six prospect depending on what they need to balance it out.
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So basically Schenn and Frattin
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something about trading for Brown does not sit well with me, at all, and I dont know why
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Did you have burritos for lunch? Maybe its gas
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Maybe the tendancy that overly physical forwards tend to get a lot more wear and tear late into their 20s and get injured more frequently than the contribute?
Just playing devil’s advocate for a sec.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
sounds about right, something about Brown screams major dive in production due to injury
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
A notable and probably realistic concern.
There’s probably a reason he’s being made available.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
reasons
1- long term capspace, they have richards, kopitar,doughty etc locked down
2-aging and probably due for a hefty physical break of sorts
3- Richards is a perfect Captain replacement and sings “fresh leadership”
4- he costs too much on the dental plan
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hypothetical question: Dustin Brown or JVR?
I understand that the demand might not actually be there any more, but Schenn’s name has been involved in both. I, personally, would tend towards JVR, even if that trade doesn’t happen until the draft. I can’t help but feel like getting Brown for Schenn would be getting less than the market could possibly offer us. You want a d-man? Take Aulie.
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Probably JVR
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Can we have both and Nash too?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
JVR probably more valuable, younger, potential, etc.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
JVR, younger, more prime years locked up, bigger, cheaper
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man. If we trade Aulie for Brown, Calgary fans are going to be jumping out the window over the Phaneuf trade…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
JVR because of career progression. A little more of a gamble and Brown is damn good at what he does, but I think JVR stands a good chance of being the current Brown and staying there longer.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Another concern:
If we get Dustin Brown we will have to have guys wearing jerseys with “D. Brown” and “M. Brown”… and that’s just annoying. And then if you buy a Brown jersey it will have the dumb initial and then if the other Brown leaves it will no longer be correct.
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Not that they wouldn’t, but the leafs are under no obligation to use first initials. For a while the Senators had a Smith and a Z. Smith.
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So they only used it for one of them? Would suck to be the one who needed the initial. And is it up to the team or the players?
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It was because Z. Smith was a callup and Smith was a regular, i believe.
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Well that makes sense. I just assume if the Leafs get 2 regular Browns they will go with initials for both, and I actually hate the initials. At the same time, any guy with the last name Brown is probably used to having his initial on his jersey at lots of different levels of hockey.
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Although at 27 I don`t think that`s a significant concern under his current contract
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at worst, he becomes a slightly more expensive colby armstrong
which is ok, i guess….if Burke moves out armstrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
not if he blows out his back and cant skate anymore
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
reminds me of a guy named Armstrong….wonder what happened to him.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Except, you know, better at hockey, their career numbers aren’t really comparable.
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sure, he’s better at hockey. Also a physical guy in his late 20s that could easily get a case of splodeybones/boneitis.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
armstrong never really started missing significant time with Injuries until last season
Brown is 2 years younger than Armstrong…
dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnn
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
has played every game this year
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Franson seems the most suitable IMO
Of course of those I’d hope for Aulie but other teams have scouts too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, which team is JFJ in charge of scouting for?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so you think Carey Price is gonna keep the same number with the Leafs, or should I wait to personalize the number?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 24, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
They can take both if they want.
well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Feb 24, 2012 1:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
think LA is leaning more to a “defensive” guy, they have Doughty
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he’d GO for Gunnarsson but there’s not a chance in hell
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Lombardi says Gunnarsson, Burke says Kopitar
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi laughs and says okay in all seriousness…
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Quick, Kopitar, Doughty, Richards, and Carter are the only Kings I would trade Gunnar for. End story
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When did Gunnarsson become an elite top 20 defenceman?
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When Mike Weaver allowed it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter if he is a top 20 defenceman in the league. He and Phaneuf are the only good defensemen the Leafs have
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Should I order my Dustin Brown jersey in home or away colours?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’d wait and see what the Winter Classic gear looks like
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Ooh, good call.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we’re out of the running.
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WHO WILL IT BE
Leafs will call a Marlie up tomorrow at noon.
Siegal
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Hahaha I love the mystery
My guess is Kadri
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Holzer, after we trade a D-man for Brown or Nash.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Friedman
Trade deadline craziness: Lombardi telling inquiring GMs that Dustin Brown is not available. Can’t wait until this is over.
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Possible that Lombardi or some other team wants to keep negotiations under wraps so they’re deliberately leaking bad info to Friedman?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Brown really isn’t available, my guess is that’s changed recently. Way too much information got out over night involving way too many teams for me to believe GMs weren’t given some indication he was in play.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Soo…. back to quiet deadline? Maybe sellers? (Not Grabbo)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I want it to be Tuesday already...
So this crazyness can be over.
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I would… it would have been Gus on waivers
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I highly doubt it
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I doubt it, too. Just saying, probably the leading candidate for “why are you playing this callup so close to the vest?”
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Oh jesus no not Armstrong
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4 point game against Washington? Gotta keep up our slumpbuster ways.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no man, you turn sideways so you bounce your head and upper chest off the ledge so you die instantly, but flip backwards, spraying your innards all over the crowd below as you spiral bloody mess over heals all the way to the ground
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Have you done this before?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no, I still have all my innards
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
what can I say? I’m a showman
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can push you if you want
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Appreciate the offer but I’d worry your natural predilection towards diving may make this unsafe for you.
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by Chemmy on Feb 24, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
now picturing a slapfight all the way to the ground
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
This here is an acceptable diving joke. Of highest quality. Well done.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Alright I saw the Friedmann tweet so maybe it was a false rumour, but without it I am confused
Why would LA trade for Carter then trade away Brown if they were trying to gain offense? Realistically on a good year for both Carter is good for 30-35 G and Brown for 23-28. So theygained like a 7 goal upgrade? It seems almost lateral.
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
because brown isnt getting it done and Carter was on the worst team in th NHL?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned above I had no idea why he was being shopped. Doesn’t make a ton of sense.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Jack Johnson gave them like -15 goals against though… so it’s a net positive.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
I really hope Johnson-Lebda is a pairing. With Mason in net.
It’s like the perfect storm for a 20 goal against game.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not bad offensively.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Johnson’s career relative Corsi (the improvement in his team’s shot differential when he is on the ice) ranked 222nd out of 228, behind only Wade Belak, Jason Strudwick, Ryan Parent, Oskars Bartulis, Deryk Engelland, and Brendan Mikkelson.
BOOM
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
shouldn’t it be ‘in front of,’ not ‘behind’?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, though if you prefer we can name players for him to be behind, like Jody Shelley, Colton Orr…
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Doing this increases the comedy.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
good lord
he’s still only 24 though, so who knows
Has anyone done a developmental curve for things like CorsiRel or has data not been available for long enough?
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Corsi data only goes back to like 2007.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
James Mirtle @mirtle
Wilson says Leafs are calling a forward up tomorrow for the game.
James Mirtle @mirtle
My guess is Leafs call up Matt Frattin, who has 12 goals in 21 games in the minors. Nothing certain until tomorrow though.
Thoughts?
At least it's not Lebda.
Huge kudos to Frattin if that’s what he threw off the roof of the garage.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah if he’s throwing riding lawnmowers… I want him on the team if only for the fact that he may just hulk out and throw someone over the glass
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He has made people fly before.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let's get real, we're talking about North Dakota
This is probably not much of an exaggeration.
And the beat goes on, yeah and the beat goes on, yeah. -MMRS
Kaaaaaaaaadrrriiiiiiiiiii
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
And now for something completely different RT @mikefisher1212 Welcome Mrs Fisher a.k.a @carrieunderwood to the twitter world
[emphasis mine]
I thought everyone knew that it was Carrie and Mr. Underwood.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions
Chris Botta
When an NHL player’s name is suddenly pulled from trade talks, it’s usually because an owner or team president overruled the GM.
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DIDNT FLEECE COLUMBUS ENOUGH
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
because he made Howson cry?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
My first instinct
is that maybe that happens in NYI but isn’t necessarily true everywhere
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
You definitely don’t want to get on the wong side of the owner.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
So close!
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Especially after that story with Burke and Milbury where ownership vetoed a deal they had in place and fucked Burke over.
Seems like they don’t always see eye to eye in Long Island.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
You definitely don’t want to get on the wong side of the owner.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
That makes sense, given how quickly things have evolved here.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
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