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Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Can confirm there is an offer on the table to Hemsky that he is considering at this time.. Believe it to be a 2 year deal. #tradecentre
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I’m nervous.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Further to @TSNRyanRishaug tweet on 2 year deal offered to Hemsky. Offered last night. Believed to be $5 mil per $10 mil total.#TradeCentre
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That is a fair bit of money for Hemsky considering his year this year.
In all honesty why would Edmonton want to retain him? I would think they would be better suited to try to move him for defensive help. They have 3 great young forwards, 1 good young forward (Gagner) and two vets (Horcroff and Smyth). Is it really necessary to retain Hemsky (they also have Omark and MPS and are likely acquiring Galchenyuk this summer). They need D men and a goalie for the future (I am not convinced on Dubnyk one way or the other).
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d love to have him if he didn’t have splodeybones
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
All the Edmonton guys I follow on Twitter have me convinced that Hemsky is way more valuable than the Oilers think he is.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
They’re not wrong. Hemsky is the best/only forward on the roster who can be put on against tough competition and still move the puck in the right direction. At some point, you’ve got to say enough with the tanking and rebuilding, and do your best to retain players like Hemsky when you’re lucky enough to already have them.
Horcoff’s fucking terrible and isn’t Smyth a UFA?
Cynically Sarcastic
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Yes and yes.
Someone said today they’re looking to re-sign him soon.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I mistakenly assumed Horcroff was at least okay because he was their captain. All signs point to them resigning Smyth.
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s there until eternity and the rest of the team can’t drink in the USA*. Who else would be captain?
*Khabibulin can’t drink in US because of the DUIs and the rest can’t legally.
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You fuckers are chatty today.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Feb 24, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You chatters are fucky today.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just wait until we trade this year’s 1st round draft pick for Steve Ott on Monday.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
hate you
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t recall if trade deadline last year was all that crazy.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Yes, it was.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
huh? other than the Penner trade, nothing really big went down on deadline day
versteeg+Kaberle was like 4 days before
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought birky was referring to the hype around it. Crazy proposals were being put forward as legitimate.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Geez!
The smell of playoffs has heightened our hysteria?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh stop it
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I can see them being interested in Ott…but not THAT interested!
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
blarg. is there an e-mail for tech support with SB nation i can bug about getting fanshots available in the app?
I’m gonna miss everything on my ride home now (Jeff Carter pouting face)
Skinny, can you front page this?
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Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Not using the app works.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t bring my computer on the bus
by elseldo on Feb 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t you have a browser on your mobile device? Go to the mobile site.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can’t bring my computer on the bus
by elseldo on Feb 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel the same, slight differences
I can’t bring vodka my computer into the cell bus.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of cells,
Have we figured out yet whether not norm is incarcerated in:
a) Kingston Penitentiary
b) The psych ward
c) The Alzheimer’s floor
d) The psych ward portion of the Alzheimer’s floor in Kingston Penitentiary
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Kingston
My kinda town.
The Waterfront…. A Fire Pit downtown… And 7 Pens within easy commuting distance.
Fuckin’ A.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a surreal artist. Or Hunter S. Thompson re-born.
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The cannon is untouchable in trade talks RT @ProjectPsion: @BlueJacketsNHL Do we still have the cannon, or did it get traded too?
The Blue Jackets twitter has been active in a hilarious way today.
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Howson will trade the Cannon for a .22 or something.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
From what i’m hearing from friends in Ohio…Howson isn’t calling the shots anymore…Craig Patrick is
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
The Columbus Blue Jackets have traded their cannon to the NRA for two .308s and a pistol to be named later
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
that’s pretty amazing.. until the Cannon gets traded..
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I’d trade Komisarek for the Cannon straight up.
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It’d play better defense…
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s all it does, I hear it’s a good puck-mover also.
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One hell of a shot too
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really slow foot speed I hear, and makes Kyle Wellwood look like Kate Moss
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… makes Luke look like the Roadrunner…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Probably no NMC, unless the Cannon has a shrewd agent.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Relevant to earlier convo
NHL Blue Jackets @BlueJacketsNHL
Roster is full at 23 players RT @JoshSTrueblood: @BlueJacketsNHL is there an open spot on the roster? I’m willing to play tonight.
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This ploy has worked, I’m officially following the CBJ twitter until these stop.
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The intern controlling that twitter is both hilarious and going to be fired.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This will be a fun weekend. By fun i mean heartattack inducing of course.
by aapd on Feb 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This weekend will feel like watching a 72-hour long 3rd period of a Leafs game (recent one).
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
In answer to Leafer on the other thread "when did Gunnar become a top 20 Dman"
He didn’t. It isn’t about how good Gunnar is or how valuable he is around the league. It is how valuable he is to us. Until we have other defensively reliable defenseman we can’t afford to trade Gunnar. We are already having to play Gardiner on our 2nd PK. Without Gunnar he is on the first PK and the second PK is Liles/Aulie or Komi on the off side.
Phaneuf (unfortunately) can’t play both sides for 60 minutes a game and until he can or we acquire another defensively responsible dman we can’t afford to let go of Gunnar.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 8 recs
unless we trade Gunnar for a defenseman that is better then Gunnar, say goodbye to the playoffs.
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
we were so much worse this past week without Gunnar.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally Gunnarsson would be on the 2nd pair, but given how bad most of our defence is at defending and how cheap Gunnarsson’s contract is, I’m glad to have him around.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Great pic. WTF is happening there???
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
He just saved 15% or more on car insurance.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
" I heard they’re trading you to Columbus."
" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 25, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Topics of the day, in case reading 1000 comments seems like too much work on a Friday
Trades?
Sign Grabbo faster!!!
Lol Ottawa Goaltenders.
Jack Johnson sucks
TRADES?
Rosehill and Boyce waived
MORE TRADES?
If chemmy mentions you on twitter you get 800 followers instantly
ARE THE BUBBLE TEAMS EVER GOING TO WIN ANOTHER GAME? (Ed. Note: I am cool with ‘no’.)
Winterpeg is currently in the playoffs. (Ed. Note: This is not acceptable)
No, really, Jack Johnson sucks. Like “Wade Belak” levels of suck.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
by Ubiquitous on Feb 24, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Am I the only one who would trade 1 really good beer for 2 half-decent beers?
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I think there has to be a 5th round pick in there as well to balance things
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Gouda!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Never tried it. I was referencing that cheese commercial where the mom asks the kid to run to the store to get gouda, and he says “Gouda!” with his mouth full of cheese while ordering, and when he returns home his mom opens up the package and says “Havarti?”
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t the commercial that he’s trying to remember it’s Gouda the whole way, and he gets to the store and he tries some Havarti and gets that instead?
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He does say Gouda the whole way… but I’m pretty sure he also says “Gouda!” with his mouth full.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
one slice of havarti.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’d do it.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’d do it.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they’re half decent, I’d do it.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pierre – “Hey Gill, you’ve been traded”
Gill – “I have? Where to?”
Pierre – “I’m not telling”….runs away cackling maniacally
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
what a clown. I would hope for him to be fired, but I’d also like to see teh Canadiens go down in flames for a few years.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
He needs a 5 yr contract extension. I love what he’s doing with the Habs.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
destroying them from within? Yeah, me too.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Man, some GMs do weird shit. Lombardi said last night that Howson wouldn’t even tell him if the Kings were on Nash’s list or not, which is a stupid way for Howson to behave.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve always loved you
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Your grandkids are going to see me in their nightmares.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This must have been a lot easier for Mike Tyson
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I finally got the prom dance I’ve always wanted!”
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by Paperwork Ninja on Feb 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Touch Kessel again and I’m putting your head on a pike
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
by Ubiquitous on Feb 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hold me closer tiny dancer.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hold me closer, tony danza
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Clarkson:
You loved my father, I know. But so did I. That makes us brothers, doesn’t it? Smile for me now, brother.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't necessarily feel this way, but I couldn't help myself...
"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman
by Jeremiah Stanghini on Feb 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry for being a dick about this… but that movie has the thumbs backwards according to historians. A Thumbs up meant kill him and the thumbs down meant spare them.
Thumb up- Aww yeah kill that son of’a bitch
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So, to apply to the "captioning contest..."
This would be a vote of sparing CanadianMaple09… or, more concretely, a vote FOR him. lol
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by Jeremiah Stanghini on Feb 24, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Whew, glad that’s all cleared up!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard they don’t actually know whether it was thumb-up or thumb-down for kill, so in the movie they just used thumbs-down for kill because it looks more badass.
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They don’t know 100% as there was no conclusive video evidence showing he left his feet.
But 9/10 historians agree that it was thumbs up for kill.
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I had been told once that by popping up the thumb into the thumbs up position, it basically was saying “off with the head”
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
And the guy watching in the stands wearing a watch… twice in one movie. Geez! And the flaming balls of twine being catapulted at the barbarians that were never actually used in real life. And the…. oh dear lord, I give up!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
They also have women dispersed throughout the Coliseum watching, though in historical reality they had to sit at the top in their own area.
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you just dropped some knowledge on me
that i’m never going to forget. Now I can be the pedantic guy who brings that up every time that movie is on. THanks!
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Did any of the devils vote me underrated? I WANT NAMES DAMMIT
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Feb 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wasn’t he voted most overrated?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
He wants the ones who voted him underrated so he can send them a fruit basket.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Makes total sense!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
somehow i read this as “full brisket”. weird.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Im really tired today. fuck
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Don’t drop the soap.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hee hee! That hasn’t been touched in years!
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Elisha not doing her job?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, you know what they say
“Once you go Avery, you get kind of wavery.”
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by Paperwork Ninja on Feb 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not since the trade.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I killed Mufasa
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by Shield on Feb 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Rec’d for Lion King.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!
by jbabco on Feb 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gee your hair smells terrific!™
Kids, the untradeable prospects of our future! Develop them well in the minors.
by The Blue Spirit on Feb 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light? /jokered
by Jo4nny on Feb 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t quit you!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I got two solid fists but I haven’t fought in months. So the question is, punk, do you feel lucky?
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I must break you
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
“THIS IS NOT MY REGULAR ELECTRIC RAZOR”
Let's Go Blues!
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by Paperwork Ninja on Feb 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But it is your regular reply fail.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And yet you were able to figure it out.
Good for you!
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by Paperwork Ninja on Feb 24, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m feeling as sharp as a marble today.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
“As sharp as a razor” contains significantly less comedic value than I had hoped to achieve with my comment.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Is Burke back from Austria with Starkbaum yet?
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uh oh
#SNtrade With Carter gone will it make Nash market stronger? As of now it appears only 2 teams with significant offers in. #Rangers #Leafs
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Fishin’ For Rick Nash!
OPERATION TANK IS A GO.
In an unprecedented move 9 teams in the Eastern Conference have decided to officially "pass" on the playoffs
Rangers are greedy hoarders.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
They know they can sign whomever for whatever. If they do a bad deal Montreal will trade them draft picks and good defensive prospects for the poisonous contract.
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That Gomez deal, with all respect for the Phaneuf and Lupul deals, will always be the biggest fleecing in my mind.
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Worse than Courtnall for Kordic even.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2008/02/courtnall-for-kordic-was-good-trade.html
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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If DGB says it was a good trade for the Leafs then it was.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
that could be argued for one of them
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
50/50 odds, if you don’t consider the quality of the offers. Otherwise its probably Rangers/Leafs, 99/1. At least I hope.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
If Burke does this he’ll have fallen into the classic Leafs GM trap. Do something rash and un-needed today by selling away your prospects.
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depends on what teh offer is. Maybe he lowballed it, who the hell knows. I can say I won’t mind have Nash on the team as long as we don’t sell the farm.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
It better not involve Gardiner.
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he’d be insane to trade Gardiner, kid just played ~27 minutes last night, more than Dion or anyone for that matter. He isn’t that stupid.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but he fell into a “howson” trap
Mwahaha Burke I got you now, you must give me Connolly, Komisarek and Greg Scott for Rick Nash and Ryan Johansen
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Deal isn’t done yet because Howson is insisting on Zigomanis.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
CJB would ask for Dubinsky + Del Zotto + , from NYR.
Can Leafs match that?
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
no. Wasn’t Del Zotto an untouchable in NY?
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
yes
They were saying Dubinsky+ McIlrath+ Christian thomas+ 1st was about what NYR were offering… we could beat that and keep most of our top prospects
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
Mcllrath by a country mile
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
The correct word for a comparison is worse.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’m listening to an English grammar lecture right now. I’m in ‘grammar Nazi mode’. Sorry.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
correct term for a grammer nazi is douche
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
How about spelling?
grammar
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
This would be indicated by capitalizing the word ‘Grammer.’
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I like this game.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
me too
it sure beats doing anything productive at work.
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also, your first word is missing an article and is not capitalized, and you have no punctuation to complete your sentence.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also schwartz, Forbort and Tarasenko
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
There wasn’t an equivalent of Cam Fowler on the board when the Leafs took Biggs.
Cynically Sarcastic
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the closest is Grimaldi
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
high upside, high risk, high levels of crazy.
Don’t like that combo
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know too much about the prospects in the 2011 Draft but wasn’t Matt Puempel’s name thrown around a lot.
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
here it was yeah. I don’t think I ever heard Biggs’ name pre-draft
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone who put time into thinking about who the Leafs were going to draft, were upset with the Biggs pick
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they were but we also didnt analyze him much. I actually have witholded judgment on that one for a few more years. He is a long-term project.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
me too, I know next to nothing about junior/NCAA players
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
all I know is they usually take all four years, 3 if they are so good its clear they can make it in the AHL.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Biggs was ranked 15th I believe by Central scouting
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Leafs were set to draft Puempel….the sens got him at #21…and anyone paying attention knew about Biggs and the fact that Burke wanted him…
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
high levels of crazy?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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His religious Twitter rants.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
So that makes a player have high levels of crazy?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Feb 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Consider yourself rec’d.
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t recall them word for word and I don’t want to make up things for which my recollection is vague… but yes, they were crazy.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck it, I’m not getting into this at 4:40 on a Friday.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
the one about women struck me as pretty fucking crazy, but I am living in the 21st century. Grimaldi may not be.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It does in my books. Being religious is one thing. Constantly tweeting about Jesus and how women “don’t dress well these days” (paraphrase of his words, not mine) is pretty crazy in my books. But hey, I’m an agnostic.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
So you’d rather him tweet about how drunk he got and how many hotties he’s with?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with leafer1984 on this one
Fuck it, I’m not getting into this at 4:40 on a Friday.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t look favourably on that either
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
The mentality that it if you don’t support one extreme you must support the other annoys me.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
constantly? he did it like once
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
The anti-religious attitudes on this site can be quite over the top sometimes, if you have never noticed.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shush you, or it’s a burning at the stake!
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 25, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
nope, not even close
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I want Thomas. Mostly though because he is Stumpy’s son.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Draft all the Leafs offspring!
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dylan Corson too!
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I'm telling you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie)
Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni
Twitter me this.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
You know you are getting old when a kid comes into the league and you can clearly remember his father playing. *weeps
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnarson + Gardiner + Colbourne/Kadri? Our 1st rounder is much more attractive then NYR’s.
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Agree. But that’s what it would take to beat Del Zotto, Dubinsky
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nash will be a Ranger….whether it’s by Monday..or at the draft…BB is going in a different direction
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
the two goalies he is alledgedly inquiring about..are Lindback in Nashville and Bishop from the Blues AHL club…..I say alledgedly because the only info Bob McKenzie evr puts out there falls into two categories….speculation..and the products of his hash induced dreams
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
mmm hash.
I mean Nash.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
uh…he’s been “connected” to far more than two goalies
Nabokov, Bernier, Harding, even Khabibulin
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wait are you saying that Bob McKenzie does not have good sources? Who do you think has better?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
oh? do you have a comparison chart worked up?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
His Time On The Blower is just huge.
Huge.
(huge)
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
did you hear this from a friend who knows?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bob Mackenzie never said the rangers were a lock to sign Nash
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
that is all he has been saying for the last 4 days….that,and what everyone is suggesting…the deal gets done in the summer
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
“everyone’ also said Nash was going to LA
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
they are in full silent mode until after t5he deadline passes…he won’t take any calls….
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
so what you are saying is that you don’t really know anything about where Nash is going?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
not saying that at all…just that what Burke stated publically on Wednesday is closer to the truth than what anyone at TSN has been saying….
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
what did Burke say publicly about Nash?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
there is also a huge element of prayer involved here…that Burke stands pat rather than fuck up three years of work restocking the shelves…a goalie who can actually win consistantly is something he and 29 other GM’s want….the speculation about Bishop makes sense only because if St Louis dosn’t promote him by March 1st he will be UFA this July….so,do you keep Halak and Bishop? Elliot and Bishop? or Halak and Elliot?….I can see a deal with the Blues happening…..they won’t get Hiller…and Khabibulin is off the market…according to Sportsnet West
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
what does he have to do with Nash?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Translated into Tswana, both names mean “Aging Churchman.”
Or “GM product.”
Bit of debate around which.
/happytohelp
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nash aint coming to the Leafs at the price the Jackets are asking…..the focus is on goaltending now
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
we have no idea what the Jackets are asking, and will not till a trade is made, all there is is massive speculation, most things that are speculated are wrong
concentrating on goaltending is nice and all, but adding a prospect who has never even played in the NHL before is probably not going to affect this season at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
what the Jackets are demanding as a starting point is out there for anyone to see and read….the top two prospects in the organization…a young player off the NHL roster and a 2012 1st round pick……
by wayne scarlett on Feb 24, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
demanding you say? did Howson tell you this? or did some talking head on TV/Radio say it was so?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is incorrect. What has been reported is that Howson isn’t asking for anything. He is letting people come to him with offers.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Little known fact: Nash is an excellent goaltender.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
He’s got the size needed to be an effective Allaire goalie.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Future Vezina trophy winner Rick Nash of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I believe I did make this point earlier this week. With Myers injured, the Vezina race is wide open this year…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 25, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Nash plays for columbus. Columbus needs goaltending.
We have come full circle
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
the focus is on goaltending now
I fucking hope so
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Why would you want Khabibulin? At all?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Is he an alcoholic or just a terrible person (by which I mean drunk driver). There are many drunk drivers that aren’t alcoholics.
(BTW I have a serious hatred for drunk driving if it wasn’t clear).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Because he was good like 7 years ago, duuhhhh.
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phew, thank god someone who knows nothing about it is telling me Leafs are out of it.
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to add my ignorant 5 cents
We’re making a play for Chelios.
So now you know.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
phew, we could use him on the blue line
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Weird, I had a dream the other night that we got Chelios but he was somehow still really good at hockey.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Zombie
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No way in fucking hell do I do that. Never. Ever.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
HELL NO
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is CJB the french acronym?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
this is going to happen isn’t it?
/sadface
by Evening News Team on Feb 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
they called the LA offer for Carter significant too
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Continuing our earlier discussion
@SkinnyPPPhish when 2 people debate a topic, the first one to resort to name calling is usually the loser. Pretty sure you are the former.
.@SimPro7 You didn’t give a second option there, so how could I be the former? I don’t think you understand how grammar mechanics work.
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This better not be the same guy who tweeted at Burke yesterday that he was glad his son was dead so he didn’t have to see how bad the Leafs were…..
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Different idiot. This is the guy who said
:Orr and Rosehill gave Grabo protection so he could score enough to earn that extra $500k #giveyourheadashake
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
bahahaha, what a maroon
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile neither Colton Orr or Jay Rosehill will be intimidating opposing players from the press box.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
If you don’t knock that shit off, I’m going to punch up your goon teammate.
That’s not very intimidating.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
You’re healthy scratch won’t be so healthy when I’m done with him up here
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
He’s technically right. If you said you are either the loser or the winner and guess what your the former then it makes sense. But you just implied the “winner” part. Colloquially what you said makes complete sense so what he said is still dumb but in the true usage of former/latter he’s right.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
You can win debates AND call people names. The trick is that if you’re arguing that Orr helps Grabbo get points then you’ve already lost.
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We don’t need Rick Nash at the price it will cost us to obtain him. Burke, spend the money this offseason on a Nashville defensman!!!
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we don’t know what it will cost to attain him, Howson is a moron
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
True….so where would we put him on the depth chart? Lupul moves to 2nd line? Or does Nash play with Grabbo?
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nash and grabbo might be pretty hot together, especially with Kulie.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I still love Kulie by the way….he just needs to get his confidence…..somehow.
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I would rather see dustin brown on a line with grabo and kulemin. If this is happening in a vacuum, sure I’d go with nash. I’d just rather have brown on that line if it means we can keep some more good young players on the roster.
I think a lot of people would agree that we don’t want to see major assetts leave for Rick Nash……
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tweet him and tell him that
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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say what?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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we’ve just been rosterbating for like….1500 posts. I thoroughly enjoy it, but yeah.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
per Capgeek on Twitter
Our estimates have the #MapleLeafs at ~$6.8m in cap space at deadline. Without Boyce/Rosehill, close to $8.2m.Is there a player out there who costs, I don’t know somewhere in the ballpark of $8.2M?
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Mal….kin?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well we know someone is being called up, so it’s really $8.2 million – whatever Kadri, Frattin, etc. costs.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
plus whoever gets sent out
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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also minus the “used” capspace for the first part of the season
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
That’s just crazy… just crazy! Is it really true?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs are going to acquire Nash without giving up any roster pieces?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
They will have to give up one in order to make a little more space. They would have Nash’s contract plus the AHL call-up’s contract.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
well we want SOME cap space left over when Burke trades em Lombardi and Connolly
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
BB is clearly trading the Marlies for Nash.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Draft picks?
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
So let’s say that ownership over-ruled Lombardi and Dustin Brown is now off the market; how does it affect the team going forward now that it’s out there that the GM wants to trade the captain and doesn’t think he’s a good leader?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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Being available =/= being a bad leader.
He just thinks Brown could provide more value through trade than his current production for this team.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
McKenzie explicitly said that Lombardi wanted to trade him because he didn’t think Brown was a good enough leader and they want to give the captaincy to Mike Richards.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
not sure how you cant trade a guy after having that sort of thing come out. Maybe not now but fuck.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you think it was ownership that overruled Lombardi? This might also be a bargaining move on his part.
Chris Botta (Islanders guy) suggested that’s usually the reason a player gets pulled from trade talks. I don’t know if it’s true in this instance, I’m just saying let’s consider it.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lombadri is using the Bob Murray motivation tactic on Brown.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Gosh, I sure hope whatever the Leafs do isn’t over analyzed.
/looks around
Oh….right.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
the good news is that no matter what happens, there will already be at least a partial pre-analysis that has taken place so we can just slip right into that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll already have charts and graphs to back us up so haters/lovers (depending on the player(s) involved in trade) can fuck off.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
we should draw up the teams now. Ok, Jared, Draglikepull, and PPP are on team positive. Myself, Chemmy, Skinny, Leafer, mf37 will be on team negative. bcapp, cheapshot, godd till will be on team undecided.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
why do we get weekday dad?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Im lumped into team negative? DOnt confuse anger for negativity dude
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m the fuckin captain
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Even this reply is negative. Of course you’re team negative.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ill take “team on the fence until it becomes clear which side is winning the argument, then joining that side”
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll go with team “Head Not Buried in the Sand” thank you very much.
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why is their sand in your beard then? WHY?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
you don’t want to know
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad somebody else playing the game!
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Your mom went to the beach yesterday.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did she go swimming and eat chicken?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Godd Till is on Team “Make an analogy to some sort of vehicle”
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
WAY TO GO CLARKIE, WAY TO GO BUDDY
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
that’s how you get cut from the team, apparently.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Team Indignant on being left out of the game over here!
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
I'm not really on a team
I’ll just chart the results.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I accept this arrangement only if Gunnarsson isn’t traded. If he is, I’ll hold out and demand a trade to the Western Conference.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll head up team “Better pick up a fucking goaltender or defensive d-man or do nothing”
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
what a HORRIBLE ROSTER MOVE. It’s why we’re in 9th right now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hate. All. Leafs. Now.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
hehe
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Only Siths deal in absolutes
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Are you a Sith?
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
#absolutecontradictions
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
This guy gets it!
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
What if he trades him for Steven Stamkos? THEN WHAT
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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He would be going down a path I couldn’t follow.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
woah, I didn’t know the Leafs had the best player in the NHL!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
And now you do.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping for a trade today so I’d at least have an excuse as to why I’m not doing my paper.
I’m kind of expecting Monday to be boring, though.
I’m in the exact same boat.
/Internet High Five
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
It will be boring but we’ll all be watching TSN / twitter / PPP anyway
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I actually have a weird feeling the Leafs will do something monday. Probably nothing major, but something. I don’t know why, but it led me to take a day off to peruse the television stations (or, well, their free live streaming they are offering on their respective sites)
by Goosemonster on Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping for a trade today so I’d at least have an excuse as to why I’m not doing mypaperjob.
A few of us at work have already pretty much agreed we’re just going to talk TSN TRADE FRENZY all day Monday.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’m off work, getting up at 5am to watch (PST) prolly crash on the couch like I did last year for a few hours as nothing goes down.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 25, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Today’s been the first day I’ve really paid much attention to what goes on (Leaf related) on Twitter.
Holy fuck, are there a lot stupid people on the internet.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions
check out the @askbrianburke feed
guaranteed to make you feel like a smarter, more well balanced person
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they all seem to end up there at some point. Pretty hilarious.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Holy fuck, are there a lot stupid people on the internet.
Never Forget.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Holy fuck, are there a lot stupid people
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah there uh, should be an “of” in there.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh I wasn’t trying to correct the sentence, only to say that there are a lot of dumb people in general. Unfortunately some have access to the internet.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA I didn’t even notice that. I’m really startin’ to look like one of ’em.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
fuck people
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the internet
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Not sure if it was talked about already
But if carter went for johnson and a 1st do you think what was ask from the leafs was something like schenn and a 1st (as to say there were any negotiations) but would kadri and another 1st rounder be enough to pry nash and a prospect from cbj
but would kadri and another 1st rounder be enough to pry nash and a prospect from cbj
Not a chance
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I hope it wasn’t Schenn and a 1st.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
would kadri and another 1st rounder be enough to pry nash and a prospect from cbj
No
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri and a first for Nash and a prospect? Not fuckin likely.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
What if that prospect is Steve Mason, and we HAVE to play him. It’s in the trade clause.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
he’s a project, not a prospect
and I mean houseing project in harlem, not a boss wants you to run an advertising project
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good god that’s a horrible condition.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
That deal would be legendary, wait for it...
dary.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
dingdingding
Everyone else gets wooshes
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wanna try that again?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahahahaha
oh, you’re serious
no
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
sorry i meant schenn kadri 2 1sts
-only defensive prospect burke is willing to move, our top forward prospect
- its been stated gardiner is going nowhere
Jesus why would Burke do that.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
That deal would be shit, wait for it...
it would be fuckin shit.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
that is…well that’s just terrible
no
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Word is that the Leafs were never really in on Carter because Burke has concerns about his reputation.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
This reputation rumours are hear say and not sure what to make of them. This would be a good rumour to drop if one was out low bid on the trade and are doing some damage control. Then again,with the ethics that Burke carries himself I would be surprised if he would be gossiping about a players reputation.
I agree that they’re hearsay to me as a fan, but Burke knows a lot of people in the game and maybe he did some digging and decided that there really was something to it.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Carter > Rick Nash
The real question is, with Carter going for so little, would it have been worth it to build a package around Schenn+
Rick Nash is a better player than Carter
Rick Nash’s contract is worse than Carters
it is a wash
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I should qualify that
For the Leafs I think Carter > Nash (based on position, cost, 2 way game, cost to acquire)
and the kicker that probably scared off most teams, Carter’s attitude
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Little bit late for all this anyway
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
especially since before last night, no one in their right mind would have speculated Carter going for so little
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure some random HFboards guy got it right and is reminding all the internetz message boards how right he always is
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
blind clocks and broken nuts and all
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Word on the streets is that Nash didnt’ want to go to LA (maybe wasn’t on “THE LIST”)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi said last night that Howson wouldn’t even tell him if he was on the list or not. What a terrible GM Howson is.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Am told Oilers and pending UFA Ryan Smyth are talking contract extension
In other news, shares in Kleenex plummet.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I was always confused why he cried like a baby. they were 100k apart if i remember correctly. If your going to a blubbering mess, just take the 100k less?
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Totally off topic
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Guessing that’s a joke.
Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.
I dunno man, look at that legit stationary
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it’s a fake, it was up on Reddit a day or two ago.
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 24, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Actually at my old high school, which was in Kanata also, there was a girl that smeared it all over the washrooms. She was dubbed the Poo Bandit. There was even a copycat.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
That happens all the time, they had one of those at my g/f’s high school.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
At my school we called a guy the phantom shitter, He would take dumps in random parts of the school. He was even bold enough to put one in the cafeteria microwave.
by schennsational on Feb 25, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
More like a copy scat.
" No one wants advice - only corroboration " - John Steinbeck
by GreatKingRat on Feb 24, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
What else is there to do in Kanata, Ontario?
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 24, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
You call BATTLESHITS?
The SIGN explicitly WARNED YOU.
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Same thread of off-topicness
My friend finished making this battleshots last week (I’ve seen it before on the internet, but this is the actual one he made):
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
by Shield on Feb 24, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
is there a mousetrap version?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, where are the aliens and Liam Neeson?
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh law students.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Nice place ya got there. Needs more ladders though.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 24, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
it’s… it’s so beautiful! is it dusty in here?
Charter member - Grabbo Lover's Union, Local 84
by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not how you play it… teams of 4 or 5, 12×12 squares of solo cups, ships are shots, misses are 1/4 or 1/3 beers… and then you play beer pong on the table..
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
beer pong is the most over rated drinking game of all time
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
normal style yes… that version of battleship is pretty entertaining
Landmines is also pretty good
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 24, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to pretend I didn’t see this.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
beer pong suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey
what are you hating on beer pong for? Its fun sometimes
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
meh, its ok, its just over rated like crazy
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha its not a hockey player. its a game. and one that involves beer. a ok in my books
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
you know how I like to drink my beer? out of a pint glass while I shoot the shit with friends or watch hockey
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
3rded. Though I will add playing pool.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
I’m with ya there
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
but in college, I liked to chug it!
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
FLIP CUP FOR LIFE
It’s not even close. Even when you win you get drunk which should be the goal of every good drinking game. There’s chanting and clapping and lots of cheering and watching someone try to flip a cup is more fun than watching someone take basketball shots with a ping pong.
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They’re two totally different games, flip cup is more fun and casual, and anyone can play. My friends and I have been doing an annual beer pong tournament over Christmas break for the last 7 years and this year we had about 30 teams of 2. It’s a really fun game (not so much a party diversion because games can take a while) on its own.
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And while Shield’s thing is awesome, your way is pretty damn sweet too.
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Weird previous Frattin dicsussion
Sorry I missed the chat, but why would anyone ignore the fact that he came out of college, and thus… is older entering the NHL…. and therefore, also likely has a different development curve than an OHL player?
Also, why would anyone ignore the fact that he has precisely 1/2 season of professional hockey under his belt? Is he supposed to come in and immediately, his first games outside college, score at his full rate?
This shit is nuts. People running the PPG on his first 37 games with the Leafs – also his first outside college – and then COMPARING it and saying, “3rd line.”
It’s just the worst sort of context-free stats hackery.
How about this. The Leafs have another player who broke in at 24 years of age. Only scored at a .125 GPG rate. Versus Frattin, age 24, scoring at .135 GPG.
And this other kid had never scored more than 17 goals, anywhere, in any minor league season. Where as Frattin got 36 in 44 games at UND.
The other kid? Grabovski.
Or Clarke MacArthur, age 23, with the sabres. Only 8 goals in 37 games. He’d only ever scored 30 and 35 in his age 19 and 20 WHL seasons.
Seriously, I GET that he’s older. But we hear weird shit on here about how a player’s scoring “peaks” at age 25 or 26 or 27. And that’s treated as though he then falls over dead. But the last time someone posted the chart up here, it showed a decline from about .45 PPG to about .40. In other words, averaged league-wide, a decline from their peak of about 10%. With – I would very much suspect – an improvement in defensive play.
But this seems to have become… He’s 24… old for a rookie… likely to peak now or right away…. Therefore 3rd line potential at best.
This is just talking out one’s ass, it’s not about development and context and skill. It’s just ignorant “I don’t like someone” so they’re 3rd line.
FFS people, I don’t know whether he’d end up as a 15 or 25 or more goal man. But 3rd line? Saying he’s a Joey Crabb? He had TWICE as many goals in his final NCAA season as Crabb. Crabb never scored more than 18 goals in any season, ever, until he was age 26-27 in the AHL!
Or people thinking n Mueller is a prospect, when he’s 6 months younger than Frattin, and has 12 goals in the AHL… in 51 games. After 14 all of last year. when Frattin has 12 in 21 already.
He’s not the second coming, he’s not Rick Nash, but he could easily be in the same league and level as a Kulemin or MacArthur. Which ain’t that bad.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
very well said
I didn’t really jive with the “Frattin is at best a third liner” talk that some here were pushing either. His play indicates his ceiling is definitely higher than “he’s joey crabb at best”
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 24, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
no one said he was Joey Crabb at best
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry. I'll be precise...
Frattin is a 3rd liner who is marginally better than Joey Crabb and he has very little upside.
Think I got the jist of it right.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
And also
Frattin is the most overrated player in the Leafs system. The "new hotness". A lot like Aulie last year…
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is. Last summer all I heard about was how awesome Aulie was and how he was going to be the first pairing LD while Gunnar would have to fight ot make the team. I feel it is the same for Frattin now. People talk about him like he is guaranteed to turn into a 20-30 goal power forward when I doubt he cracks 20 goals twice in his career.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
I think you need to name names.
Anyone who thought Aulie was the new hotness deserves humiliation at this point in the season.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe
Anybody thought Aulie was gonna be a 1st pairing LD and Gunnar would have to fight. By the end of last season Gunnar was playing solid minutes and Aulie was only paired with Phaneuf for familiarity and for sheltering.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 24, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I am not sold on either camp with Frattin, but he’s not Joey Crabb at best (and I don’t know if anyone seriously said this). Joey Crabb is a solid 4th liner who can play 3rd line if necessary… I would say the skeptics on Frattin say his ceiling is a good third liner.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
As one of the sceptics (which isn't entirely accurate for me)
I believe that his “ceiling” could be a 2nd liner but he is unlikely to reach it. I think he has a pretty solid chance of being a third liner. I actually like him and think he will turn into a solid 3rd liner. What annoys me is that people think (a) he is awesome and will turn into some incredible power forward and (b) over rate his value ot this team. Every organization has a bunch of guys like him.
I don’t see him as a top prospect so much as a guy that is much closer to being NHL ready. I think a lot of other guys in our system can end up a lot better but are much further away (and much less likely to make it).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
I said he’s a slight upgrade on Joey Crabb, and I’m serious about that. I would be surprised if Frattin ever played more than a bottom 6 role (unless, like Stalberg or Bozak, he’s paired with very good players who can boost his numbers).
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
completely agreed, Frattin has a tonne of potential in my opinon, he needed some better luck and he can probably be a 20 goal NHL scorer
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by CameronSorley on Feb 24, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ok ok. You got me. He’s Bobby Butler. From here on out, whenever we see a college player we don’t like, he’s Bobby Butler. Even though his defence is better, he hits harder, and he scores more often, he’s Bobby Butler.
All I’m saying is, can we look at a RANGE of possible results for a player we’ve only see have 37 professional games? Sure, he could be a Butler. Also, he might be a (good) Kulie.
Because there’s a range of evidence. I just get irritated by pronouncements that he’s Joey Crabb, a 3rd liner, blah blah blah. It’s nonsense.
As for “over-hyped,” people need to stick that shit back on the shelf. There has been precisely NO hyping of Frattin by the Leafs or the media that I’ve read. And very few of us even bothering with the guy after he was sent down.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen a tonne of hyping of him. Specifically on here people way over hyped him in that top 25 under 25, people constantly say we should call him up, and people act like he was so incredible on teh team.
Elsewhere, last spring all you saw in comment sections around the intertubes was how he would be awesome this year and a 20 goal scorer as a rookie.
Anyway I am just tired of people acting like he is this huge piece and that it would be blasphemy to consider trading him.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Finally
Who said he was Joey Crabb?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Quoted above.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Overhyped in the Top 25?? What’re you talking about?
Amongst forwards, they put him between Mueller and Kadri. What’s so over-hyped about that?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the PPPeanut Gallery and some comments in other posts. Not the actual list
But in all honesty I think it was just one post in there that I remember ranking him way to high, and it was yours:
You had him at 3rd, ahead of Reimer, Colborne, Kadri, Schenn, and Franson
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Also rookie matt read is 25, 1 year older then frattin, great line mates and probably has not peaked in scoring. I think Frattin should be better but maybe this is won’t be the case
My mom went to community college with his parents that makes me like his cousin or something, right? She also said his parents were totally unathletic nerds so its ironic that he made the NHL.
by schennsational on Feb 25, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, it’s true that the average development curve is not a perfect predictor of future NHL success. Some guys break the mould. But generally speaking, guys who aren’t playing a prominent role in the NHL by their mid-20s are never going to play one.
This data is for CHL players, not NCAA players, but Tyler Dellow has shown that players who score greater than 0.5 games in the NHL tend to have established themselves by their early 20s:
http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=4220
Other data on player development curves confirms this – players for a wide range of NHL equivalencies tend to peak by their mid-20s and players who begin their careers later on tend to do worse.
When people point this kind of information out, we’re not saying “See, the data says Matt Frattin has a zero percent chance of ever being a top 6 forward!” what we’re saying is “The odds of Matt Frattin being a career 3rd/4th liner are significantly higher than the odds that he’ll score a lot of goals.”
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, second sentence should read:
This data is for CHL players, not NCAA players, but Tyler Dellow has shown that players who score greater than 0.5 POINTS PER game in the NHL tend to have established themselves by their early 20s
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dude. How does a CHL curve answer the bell for the NCAA players? My point is that they aren’t the same system.
So the evidence you use to support your “generally speaking” statement precisely EXCLUDES players of the type being discussed.
See, with your theory, and what you call “generally speaking,” there can be NO SUCH THING as a player who can complete their NCAA career, and be above 0.5 ppg – because you’re going to be above age 20.
You need to broaden the range of the development curves you’re looking at. That’s all.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Most good players from the NCAA don’t finish their college career before joining the NHL.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
We don’t know if Frattin would have signed after his junior season or not, his season got mowed down
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by happiergilmore on Feb 24, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
heh, mowed down
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not arguing with your point and Frattin himself ( based on his actions in past) would not fit into this category, but wouldn’t a guy finishing college just be smart? Maybe a guy who is really good just wants to get a degree and set himself up for after hockey.
by schennsational on Feb 25, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/7/23/960335/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-matt
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 25, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
What reason do you have to believe that NCAA players, who play in a worse league, would perform significantly better than CHL players?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Errrrrr… worse league how?
For young players it’s significantly harder to score in the NCAA than the OHL.
Age NCAA NHLe
18… 0.42
19… 0.41
20… 0.60 (probably SSS)
Age OHL NHLe
18… 0.34
19… 0.21
20… 0.16
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So, one goal per game from a 19 year old is worth twice in the NCAA as it is in the OHL. Scrub league indeed.
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NCAA is 18-23 year olds
CHL is 16-20 year olds
Pretty evident which is the tougher league to score in.
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I’m not sure it’s a “worse league”. If it’s so bad why is it so hard to score?
“Oh well there are 23 year olds.”
Exactly. There are 23 year olds working against young prospects. It’s a hard league to score in. I’m not sure how that’s “worse”.
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it’s a hard league for young players to score in. but when you have a prospect that is the oldest in the league, when he starts scoring goals like no tomorrow it doesn’t mean you have the next Phil Kessel on your hands
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’m well aware that being the oldest guy in the league means you’re not a good prospect.
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I know, but for others. it’s good to know that it’s not all that impressive Frattin scored a bunch of goals last year. Impressive, but it doesn’t mean he’s a top prospect
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
He’s much older than players that matter in the NCAA. It’s like when an overager puts up PPG in the CHL: who cares?
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exactly. pretty much any half decent hockey player can put up points in junior/ncaa when they are twice the size of half of the league. Kind of like Brad Ross right now
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of like Frattin in the AHL right now.
Oh….
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by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Brad Ross isn’t even in his over ager year, so he is probably a poor example
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Which league attracts the highest quality of players CHL or NCAA (I don’t think many players play in both)? Which has the most consistent level of competition?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 24, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Which has the most consistent level of competition?
What does this mean?
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And at any rate, if you’re talking about player performance it’s clear that the NCAA is a better league, though for the sake of being obvious the CHL generates more great players.
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Let's put it this way so everyone can understand.
It’s easier to separate the wheat from the chaff in the CHL than it is in the NCAA.
Further, the CHL a league with far more diamonds in the rough than the NCAA.
Everyone likes analogies right?
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so you are saying that it is hard to predict what Biggs is going to be based on him being in the NCAA?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
he’s already better than frattin was in his 19 year old season
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Good NCAA seasons:
Heatley age 19 (rookie) 38GP 28G 28A 56Pts (1.47ppg)
Kessel age age 18 (rookie) 39GP 18G 33A 51Pts (1.31ppg)
Not great:
Frattin age 23 (senior) 44GP 36G 24A 60Pts (1.36ppg)
So, Frattin was basically dominant when four years older than good prospects. He’ll never get that luxury in the NHL.
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One big issue I have with this is that there’s almost no research done on the number of games it takes for players to peak. Most big scorers come from the CHL and enter the NHL around the same age, and I would assume most play a similar number of games before peaking. I’d be very interested in seeing how GP correlates for players who enter the league older or suffer from injuries early in their careers.
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Grabovski had a fucked up development curve. No one is trying to say it is impossible that Frattin turns into a top 6 player. Just that it is not very likely.
If he was better at hockey he would have joined the NHL earlier. He didn’t dominate the NCAA (score goals like that) until he was 23. If he had scored like that at 18-20 it would have been (a) more impressive and (b) he would have likely made it to the NHL the next year.
Also who said he was Joey Crabb?
As well. Forget how much he scored. Here is a list of forwards who entered the league at 23-24 (and played at least 20 GP) over the first few years of the lockout (we have some time to see how they turned out).
Petr Prucha
Colby Armstrong
R.J. Umberger
Rene Bourque
Michel Ouellet
Fabian Brunnstrom
John Mitchell
Ryan Craig
Grant Stevenson
Torrey Mitchell
Jim Slater
Brandon Bochenski
Ryan Jones
Patrick Thoresen
Chad LaRose
Alexandre Burrows
Darroll Powe
Ryan Shannon
Cody McLeod
Matt Moulson
Paul Szczechura
Ryan Carter
Byron Bitz
Peter Olvecky
Derek Boogaard
David Jones
Joel Lundqvist
Denis Tolpeko
Brian McGrattan
Drew Miller
Yan Stastny
Brad Staubitz
John Zeiler
Tanner Glass
D.J. King
Andre Deveaux
Ben Ondrus
There are a couple good top 6ers there (Umberger and Bourque pop out to me) and some solid NHLers (Army, T Mitchell, D Jones, etc). But for the most part it is a bad list. The fact that he didn’t make the NHL until he was 23 is a bad sign for his development. Some forwards do turn out to be good players who enter the league that late, but not many.
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Thats my point. There are exceptions, but in general players that don’t crack the league earlier don’t tend to be very good.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna call it as I see it
You’re just manipulating the stats to reach your conclusion, and frankly, it just pisses me off. Why? Because it’s deliberately manipulating data to try and reach a conclusion you already had.
1. See, you started by deliberately choosing to pick just 4 seasons evidence. Four. When trying to find a set of useful data to determine a player’s development curve? WTF is that?
2. Then, you’ve cut it to guys who were 23-24 in their rookie year. So, anyone 24-25, or 22-23, is out. why not 23 and up, for starters? Whatever.
3. Then, you cut it so if they played less than 20 games in their rookie year, they’re out. At which point, it’s clear that you’re completely lost when it comes to the original idea. Which is…. whether or not an older player starting out can make it. So a guy who starts late but plays even fewer games than Frattin, but has a great career, is out? That’s absurd. You’d only7 make that assumption if you were trying top short the list.
4. Oh. Plus, all defencemen are out.
In short, you made a series of decisions that amounted to playing “stats hack” – you added filters to make your point. Cool.
So how’s about I open it up. To guys who came into the NHL late, maybe played even less than Frattin in their rookie year, and who did so in the slightly broader past. Who would get added?
Well, Grabovski, for starters. Plus:
Daniel Alfredsson
Martin St Louis
Ryan Malone
Pavel Datsyuk
Tomas Holmstrom
Brian Gionta
Kristian Huselius
Steve Rucchin
Erik Cole
Dallas Drake
Michael Ryder
Viktor Stalberg
Tyler Bozak
PJ Parenteau
Ryan Clowe
Dustin Penner
Ales Kotalik
Andy McDonald
David Desharnais
Johan Franzen
Valeri Kamensky
Jeff Halpern
Matt Read
Sergei Berezin
And maybe….. maybe…. if he hadn’t been suspended and all…. Frattin’s curve would have put him in with the 22 year old rookies….. Which would have oncluded a couple of people. Like:
Selanne, Zhamnov, Vanek, Hedjuk, Zetterberg, Oshie, Kulemin, Bondra, Hagman, Pavelkski, Koivu, Backes, etc.
So what we see is that there ARE development curves that come in later than the standard one. From European players, most obviously. Who seem…. oddly enough…. to again and again come in later, and smoke the NHL.
Because what Burke is after with all this is to get guys OUTSIDE the usual path. So he doesn’t have to burn top-line assets to pick up talent. Which – as the list above shows – is what every other team does, and NOW AND THEN SUCCEEDS at. What we WANT is to find one player, even just ONE, who falls off the “usual” development curve.
But not us. We don’t want that. We’d rather jack-off to bad stats and waste time trying to make our preconceptions look objective.
Sorry kids. We’re not 7 years old, and tarting up our prejudices with terms like “exceptions” and “general rules” looks pretty dumb second-rate when up against an NHL GM like Burke, who is TARGETTING this sort of group.
In sum, whatever Frattin turns out to be…. your list ain’t it.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec’d for anger and passion in defending his position.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
That guy is the wheat, man. The wheat.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 24, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I chose a random 4 years because I didn’t want a huge number of players. I wanted a decent group to compare too.
I didn’t include 22 because that was younger than him.
I said greater than 20 GP not less.
I compared him to forwards because he is, guess what, a forward.
Finally from that group, how many players entered the league at that age in that time? A ton. That is a small group of good players in what were mostly bad players.
For the last time, no one has said it is not possible that there are different development curves. Just that those are exceptions to the rule. It is more likely to follow the rule than to be an exception. Why is this so hard for you to understand.
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
Because what Burke is after with all this is to get guys OUTSIDE the usual path. So he doesn’t have to burn top-line assets to pick up talent. Which – as the list above shows – is what every other team does, and NOW AND THEN SUCCEEDS at. What we WANT is to find one player, even just ONE, who falls off the "usual" development curve.
But not us. We don’t want that. We’d rather jack-off to bad stats and waste time trying to make our preconceptions look objective.
Sorry kids. We’re not 7 years old, and tarting up our prejudices with terms like "exceptions" and "general rules" looks pretty dumb second-rate when up against an NHL GM like Burke, who is TARGETTING this sort of group.
Burke didn’t find him. He was a JFJ draft pick who we signed. There was no targetting going on by Burke.
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I know you chose filters like 20 games. But it’s not a sensible filter. We want to know if players this age can become useful NHL’ers. That’s the purpose. So the exact # of games they played in their rookie year is actually not relevant. See, they might start late, have a lousy first year, and then be great. If so, we want to know that. This isn’t a salary calculation we’re making, and looking for his precise peers - it’s a development curve.
So just on the years you were looking at, this arbitrary filter cuts out Grabovski, Penner, Peverly, Parenteau.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I found another group for ya
Here is every forward who was a rookie at 23 or older from 2000-2008/2009
There are 146 players. From that list the following turned into top 6 forwards (please double check in case I missed any:
Grabovski
Samuelsson
Parenteau
Glencross
Peverley
Leino
Kotalik
Andy Mcdonald
Clowe
Penner
Kunitz
Moulson
David Jones
Matt Cullen
Gionta
Datsyuk
Umberger
Rene Bourque
Huselius
Franzen
Ryder
Malone
Cole
23/143=16%. So yes it happens, but is uncommon. That is what I have been trying to say all along.
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And all I’m saying is that 2 or 3 Top 6 forwards enter the league, every year, who are 23 or older. Which means there are 20-30 in the league right now. Which is significant. That’s 4 or 5 entire teams of Top 6 players.
And in regards to Frattin, if he hadn’t blown up for off-ice reasons, he might very well have seen his first NHL games at age 22, which people would have seen as much more supportive of his chances – even though it’s a bit arbitrary.
Anyhoo…. as always, these debates on a player’s potential tend not to be resolved very quickly, and usually not to anyone’s satisfaction anyway.
So. I’ll stand down for the present.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
As per @SNTonyAmbrogio, #Leafs prospect Stuart Percy is back in the line-up tonight for the Majors
This can only be good news
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by CameronSorley on Feb 24, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
It could be bad news if he gets injured again.
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you’re right. better just bench him the rest of the season so he stays healthy.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 24, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Great news
Really hope this kid has his injuries behind him.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
ok...wrong thread but with new lines and the proper call up...who needs a trade?
ok dosn’t help the goalteding issue but the properly set up forward units = better defensive help for our tenders…lets go with some new lines…
Lupol-Connelly-Kessel
McCarth-Grabo-Lombardi
Kule-Bozak-Brown
Hamilton-Stekel-Army
1. Connelly was brought in to feed Kessel…Connelly’s pt per game with Kessel are pretty good (look at first 2 months of season)
2. Kule’s lack of output but solid defensive play = 3rd line while Lombardi with Grabo and McCarth may be one of the fastest lines in hockey
3. Brown deserves more minutes, his checking and grinding assets are lost on a 7 min 4th line role
4. Army’s pour play (mostly due to injury rust) means…4th line till he shows his footspeed will improve. Hamilton deserves a shot after an AHL allstar apearance and 21 goals as a large frame 6’-3" 230 player
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions
I don’t even know where to start
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
which one?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure if serious with spelling…
Also, a lot of this has been tried or is obvious (First 3 lines have been exactly like that before) calling up Hamilton won’t happen.
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Calling up Hamilton will happen plenty of times in the next three years when someone needs a pizza.
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calling up Hamilton is good for organizational moral for both players outlook and the coaching staff where Hamilton has thrived…including rewarding the Marlie’s only Allstar who has size…something that is lacking on the big team
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
he’s a career AHL plug for a reason, the Leafs are not going to waste a callup on a guy who will never even be a 3rd liner in the NHL probably
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
unless Frattin, Colborne or Kadri play in the top 6 (where there is no room) then Hamilton is the perfect 7 minute 4th liner with size that would be some new blood to work with instead of attempting to inject our prospects into defensive NHL roles they are not ready for….6’-3" 230 on the fourth line works for me
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
why do we need another checking forward again?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
to fill Browns spot on 4th line and get Brownie on the 3rd line = more minutes in a checking role with Kulemin…i would argue a nice checking line vs. other teams top line….relentless wingers with a good faceoff guy who in a 3rd line role im sure will perform better defensively without pressures of feeding Kessel
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
why do we want Brown on the 3rd line? he has zero offence
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Burkie’s phylosophy not mine…not sure why they deviated??
top 6 = offence
bottom 6 = defense
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
if that was his actual mantra, then Frattin and Kadri never would have seen 3rd line time
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
You want Mike Brown to play against top opposition? Do you have some sort of aversion to seeing the Leafs win hockey games?
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kulemin needs to be matched against other team’s top lines would you not agree after watching our #1 line constantly being pinned in our end in Wilsons #1 vs #1 matchups?
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
so Kulemin should displace Lupul on the top line?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
no our top line (at least at home) should not be matched up against the other teams top line…Kulemin should…ask Oivie or Malkin they know about Kule.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
What are their cell #s. I will call them now
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ummmmm……………..the Grabovski line has gotten that matchup all season.
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Why do we need this? These kind of players are a dime a dozen.
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to better equalize the defensive roles of our 3rd and 4th lines
ie. 3rd line checking, 4th line size with limited minutes
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
size with limited minuites to do what? be big?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
yep, if we need to be big…then there is a line option to be BIG…right now there is NO option to send out a BIG line to set a tone or throw some opposition against the glass
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I like my hockey players to be good at hockey
just because a player is big does not mean he is a physical player
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Being big isn’t a skill and doesn’t do anything…
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
A) why do we need another checking forward?
B) Based on what do you think he is good defensively? All you have listed is his size.
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Size? We have plenty of size in crappy forwards (Army, Steckel), if you want size you can call up Colborne. I also don’t think Hamilton is waiver exempt.
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Colborne needs minutes in the AHL…waste of callup…but if Hamilton is waiver exempt then scrap the idea…4th line: AHL callup with size -stekel-Army
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
why do the Leafs need to call up a grinder
why?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
because we have no room with our current top six to add a guy like Frattin or Kadri or a developing Colborne…so bring up bottom six SIZE
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
armstrong is 6’2 and playing tomarrow
is that enough size for you?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
yep thats why hes on my fourth line…
AHL callup with size-Stek-Army
my callup would be Hamilton…regardless if he plays physical…let him know he is being rewarded for 21 goals and an allstar selection and thats his role is to play BIG…if he fails, at least he was rewarded with a callup for good play in the A!
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
your 4th line is awful, your 3rd line is awful, and your 2nd line is awful
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
ok…you gotta give me your lines then. go…
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul- Connolly-Kessel
Kulemin – Grabovski – MacArthur
Frattin – Bozak – Lombardi
Brown – Steckel – Armstrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough…not bad…but imo we need a more defensively oriented bottom 6…that 3rd line will be a nightmare for 2-1’s goin at us.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think Hamilton is a better defensive option than Frattin? Lombardi is one of the Leafs better defensive players, and Kulemin is far superior to him in a scoring roll
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi’s speed and the Leafs current “speedy” makeup shoudl be utilized in an offensive role…ie. top 6. Frattin is another top 6 type player with speed and hands…I simply feel if a callup is to be made, it should be a 4th liner with smarts, foot speed and SIZE…Hamilton fits that criteria and he should be rewarded for his AHL performance this season…which would also justify the Marlies coaching staffs work.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi is horrid offensively, he has been all year
stop saying SIZE because it doesn’t mean a goddamned thing in relation to the Leafs success in a “bottom 6 roll”
Hamitons AHL performance is ok, but nothing special, Zigomanis is outscoring him, Hamilton isnt even at a PPG pace, the only reason Crabb got the call was because he was scoring at an insane rate down there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
hey…if you are of the opinion the Leafs don’t need size then i believe you are in the minority. I look at every successful NHL team this year and their bottom 6 is full of big rugged players who bang. Crabb should be sent down…exact reason why the current lineup is not working…bring in the offensive guy. I use Hamilton as an example because he is big…Ill take Zigo if he will bang and outmuscle a guy in the corner.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
they need size in the top line department, they need guys like Mats Sundin or Rick Nash who can dominate possession in the offensive zone so they arn’t totally reliant on a rush game, they DO NOT need size in the checking roll as they have plenty there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I totally agree…but my post is about the current organizational roster and the ideal lineup I would throw out there…not about bringing in new personel
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
so why are you talking about bringing in a terrible hockey player to play a redundant roll while pushing players who dont deserve it up the line up?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to try this one more time. Having size doesn’t matter. If you want to argue physicality fine, but size alone is not important.
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ok forget Hamilton and forget Size…yes, the callup should be a 4th liner who plays defensive or at least can add size to our small lineup…Frattin, Colbourne, Kadri is not the player show should be called up imo nor should a Crabb be called up based on his goal scoring prowess.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
why does it have to be a 4th liner? why cant it be a 3rd liner?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Crabb is actually also good defensively and solid on the PK…
Anyway the whole argument is moot because Burke has moved away from the top 6 bottom 6 model. He even said so in an interview earlier in the season and has made it clear by the make up of the team.
A lot of analysts have been pointing out that almost every team goes with a “power vs power” model now and the “elite checker” (think Pahlson in his prime, Draper, etc) is almost gone from the game. Besides a few examples (Helm, Malholtra) they don’t exist.
The Leafs have been rolling the Grabovski line against tough competition and they have done damn well at it. Leave Kule with him for that exact reason. What that ideally does is take some pressure off of the Kessel line and leaves our third line some pretty easy minutes. Ideally we turn that into a sheltered scoring line.
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Why do we need size?
Also we have plenty of size in our bottom 6. Steckel is huge (not actually that physical) and Brown (while short) plays big and very physical. Looks like Crabb will be the 3rd guy on that line. I’m good. We don’t need more poor hockey players.
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the premise of my original post was my ideal lineup structure with our current organizational roster with a top 6 bottom 6 approach which injects more defensive roles in the bottom six…ie. dont call up a Kadri call up a guy who will play on the 4th line to get defensive balance with our other guys.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so you want more defense in the bottom 6. I can understand that. Why then did you include Hamilton who doesn’t have any known defensive accumen. If you are going to call up a player for being good on the PK call up Scott or something.
As well Lombardi is one of our better defensive players so he should probably be down there.
Brown is also atrocious offensively so he should not be leaving the 4th line.
Finally why did you ditch Crabb? He is good defensively and on the PK…
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
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Lombardi-Connolly-Kadri
Brown-Steckel-Army/Crabb
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Brown needs to see more ice (do you not agree?)…3rd line = more ice
ok keep Crabb, no call up…Crabb-Stek-Army fourth line…but IMO the roster is stale…need new blood…ie 4th line callup from the Marlies…thoughts are, reward Hamilton…make the Marlies players/staff feel good. No loss on the big club if he underperforms cus 4th line hardly plays as it is.
Pair Lombardi up with Grabo and McCarth…I like the potential chemistry…and need defensive responsibility in top 6 too.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Brown does NOT deserve more ice time
Lombardi is a piss poor replacement for Kulemin and if anything destroys the chemistry of that line
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
in light of last nights performance by Mike Brown, I remain…
1st: Lupul- Connolly-Kessel
2nd: Lombardi – Grabovski – MacArthur
checking: Kulemin – Bozak – BROWN
4th: Marlie with size – Steckel – Armstrong
by killerninetythree on Feb 29, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the idea is still pointless and wont do anything to improve the team
brown is a terrible 3rd liner
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 29, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Brown’s 4th line clasification but my line combo and “Marlie with size” call-up suggestion was made on a “needed now” premise for the forward units. IMO Brown’s enthusiasm and adding the size element (as in a guy who will bang the opposition for 5 min on the 4th line) is the tone the team needs to set right now to break the streak. 6min 5sec of ice last night for arguably the best leaf forward on the ice…Wilson at his best.
by killerninetythree on Feb 29, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
wont change anything
bottom 6 players will not help this team in any way shape or form
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 29, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I do not think Brown should get more ice time and I have said so many times. His offense is VERY BAD.
Calling up fourth liners rarely makes much (if any) difference to a team.
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i like the potential chemistry between me and a whole slew of beautiful women.
That doesn’t mean that there would actually be any, though.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
how do you gauge potential chemistry?
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
simply feel McCarth, Grabbo and Lombardi have similar skating ability…Lombardi is fairly defensively concious (similar to what Kulemin brought to the line)…Kule needs to be dropped from the line and put into a defensive checking role because he is snakebit and not coming out of it this season.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
so Kulemin is snakebit, but Lombardi who has 12 less points than him is a solution?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
what about Mike Brown? now that guy is FAST!
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
If brown had any ability with the puck at all he would be top 6. The guys hands are as if he is playing with oven mitts
A would have a signature but I am forced to watch this crap.
yes, Kule is the solution to the 3rd line. Lombardi could be a solution if put in the right role…top 6 with good linemates…as the defensively reliable one. Kulemin cannot score this year, i love everything else about his game…needs a new role.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
sure, if there was a better scoring option to replace Kulemin, but there isn’t, Lombardi does not deserve a 2nd line spot, full stop
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Frattin does…but not sure how Burkie and the crew could justify putting Lombardi and his 4 mill up in the press box…just being realistic with what our current roster has to offer. Lombardi is offering more offense then Kule…and his speed would suit Grabbo and McCarth
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell? why is Lombardi now in the press box?
and why does he offer more offence than Kulie? what the hell?
are you drunk? are you even reading the responses people are giving? do you have some sort of mutant form of understanding of the word realistic?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Frattin offers more offence than both Kule and Lombardi…adding Frattin in my top6 bottom6 format would mean an offensive player would have to sit.
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frattin grab mccarth
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by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
man, when did Frattin prove this? Kuli is the same age basically and has already scored 30 goals once. Frattin has done sweet dick all. He had something like 1 point in his first 15 games and then had a good run and got sent down, Frattin isn’t as good as kuli yet, and the likely-hood of him becoming as good, is small.
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
you make it sound as if you think I feel Frattin is better than Kule…didnt say that
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
you said he was a better offensive option
which is wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Reasons for Kulemin’s drop in goals: poor shooting luck, reduced icetime due to Lupul’s emergence, regression to the mean from last year, your own personal feelings due to last year giving you false outlooks on his career.
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I believe it was Henny that suggested the same thing last week during one of the broadcasts. killerninetythree = henny? Everything makes sense now…
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
A lot have suggested that he was really close with one of the guys. His mentor…
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And that’s magically halved his shooting %. Gotcha. I have no doubt it’s effected him negatively, but it’s not going to do a thing to his puck luck.
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Well he’s not coming out of it with that attitude!
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
uhoh, it’s killerninetythree vs dougie… the universe is about t…
by GettinGiggy on Feb 24, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Worlds are colliding!
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 25, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
then why are you calling up Hamilton? what makes you think he can play well defensively?
and why are you taking away the best defensive player in the Leafs top 6 to be wasted on the bottom 6?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
ok delete Hamilton…go with someone else who can play a 4th line defensive bang in your face style who would elevate Brown to the 3rd line with more minutes…not sure who that is on the Marlies? Zigo?…I chose Hamilton because he is 230 lbs and shoudl be rewarded based on his AHL allstar selection.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Brown should definitely NOT get more minutes. We need offence from our third line. Brown provides none.
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I would beg to differ that a Kulemin-Bosak-Brown 3rd line would produce surprising offence and a effective cycle game that we all miss!!
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
no it wouldnt
Brown is terrible with the puck and cant cycle for shit
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
but his energy and physicalness is exactly what the team is lacking ie. need him on ice more to set a tone…cant fly at teams 100mph on all 4 lines.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
No it isn’t. This team is missing more skill.
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I see more skill on the Leafs than alot of teams that have beaten us recently…imo we need defensive role designated lines…starting with the 3rd line.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
the teams that have beaten the leafs lately have beaten them because of goaltending except for the san jose game
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC you said he shouldn’t have been QO’ed last year.
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I thought that was the case, but you have posted so much recently that the search engine can’t find posts from before August. Thus I can not find said quote, so I will retract my statement.
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I’m the guy who wanted to QO Champagne. I want to QO everyone because it’s good cap management.
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Must have been someone else. As I said I retract the statement.
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no they dont, they need someone who can be physical and put the puck in the net and not be defensive liabilities, the most vital part of that is not the physical part
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
BROWN BRINGS THE COMPETE YO
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Based on what? Mike Brown has 23 points in 231 GP. That is 8 points a season. He has never cracked 10 points on a season. EVER. His season high was 8 last year. He is not good offensively. Please understand this.
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i totally understand…but imo we need a checking 3rd line… top 6 score, 3rd line chips in but role is to defend. the current 3 line speed all offense stuff is not working, opposition have adapted to that style.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
the 3rd and 4th lines have nothing to do with the other teams figuring them out
the top line struggling in offensive zone possession and getting hemmed in their own zone, or inconsistent goaltending, or not having another good shut down defender option, these are the problems that plague the Leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
why does brown deserve more minuites?
and the only reason Hamilton got named to the AHL allstar game was because Kadri and Colborne didnt go, that is no reason for him to get a call up into the NHL, you get that call up because you are good enough at hockey to play in the NHL
NONE of the Marlies should be called up to play on the leafs 4th line, the Leafs have a 4th line, the Leafs 4th line is not the problem
stop focusing on the Leafs 4th line
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
moving Brown to the 3rd line is about the 3rd line is it not? im not focussing on the 4th line…you are. Hamilton or Zigo deserves a call-up bottom line…no fit for Kadri unless we get rid of Lombardi, Colbourne is not ready and Frattin would be ok but hes a top 6 imo.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
you are focusing on calling up a player for the 4th line for no reason that anyone can see, you are moving a player up the chart that does not deserve it, I am trying to understand if you have any logic going on here, and we are not getting any closer to that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
simply dont like Wilson’s lines…go go go works on 3 lines for a while but teams adapt to the same look on 3 lines…3rd line checking line that hustles and bodychecks is something that should be considered…calling up an offensive guy wont solve our unbalance.
by killerninetythree on Feb 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
calling up an AHL plug who sucks at hockey solves the problem even less
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
(o)
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 24, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hamilton is a career AHLer and the captain of the Marlies. He is there to mentor the prospects. He ain’t coming up.
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I respect that you have a position and try hard to defend it
But pretty much everything about that is horribly wrong, except the first line. Horribly horribly terribly wrong.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 24, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cash Money signed LIMP BIZKIT
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wow, now I REALLY don’t know where to start
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Drake ft. Fred Durst – Champagne Waterfall
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I’d buy that on itunes
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing not fronting? Durst’s hat.
by Jo4nny on Feb 24, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lil Wayne ft Wes Borland – Gucci Loafers
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Lindy Ruff sucks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile in LA
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related
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Wow, kinda puts the Philly thing in perspective. I mean maybe it looks worse than it is, but I’m sure this is about the last thing an NHL coach wants to catch his team leaders doing.
I’m sure LA will suit them just fine!
Kids, the untradeable prospects of our future! Develop them well in the minors.
by The Blue Spirit on Feb 24, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Things in general were a hell of a lot looser then; I wouldn’t say for example Sidney Crosby is let off his leash often (hard to imagine him going wild anyway).
Sort of the same thing with child actors, I think they devote a lot more effort to ensuring they don’t fuck themselves up too badly these days.
Kids, the untradeable prospects of our future! Develop them well in the minors.
by The Blue Spirit on Feb 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ah puck bunnies.
My rambling tweets
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I leave the computer for two minutes. Come back and look at the twitter tab on my browser.
Says 24 new tweets
I thought the Leafs made their move.
Excitement filled the air.
I click the tab.
Turns out it was just Burtch.
A would have a signature but I am forced to watch this crap.
by SPERO on Feb 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You just got burtchwhacked!
Good luck making your way through the forest of tweets!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god, LeBrun says the Oilers have offered Khabibulin to the Leafs and that the Leafs are currently considering it.
Also said the Leafs are unlikely to trade Grabbo, but then followed that up by saying that all it would take to move him would be a 1st round draft pick.
Ugh. UGH.
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Going 1-6-1 in February not the best plan we’ve ever had. Imagine if we went 3-5-0.
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no no! wait! imagine if we went 4-3-1!
now that would be sweet
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
In regards to NCAA development
Look at the age of players that won the Hobey Baker (best NCAA player). If they are younger they were way more likely to have a succesful NHL career:
1993 Paul Kariya Left wing Maine
1994 Chris Marinucci Left wing Minnesota Duluth
1995 Brian Holzinger Center Bowling Green
1996 Brian Bonin Center Minnesota
1997 Brendan Morrison Center Michigan
1998 Chris Drury Left wing Boston University
1999 Jason Krog Center New Hampshire
2000 Mike Mottau Defense Boston College
2001 Ryan Miller Goaltender Michigan State
2002 Jordan Leopold Defense Minnesota
2003 Peter Sejna Left wing Colorado College
2004 Junior Lessard Right wing Minnesota Duluth
2005 Marty Sertich Center Colorado College
2006 Matt Carle Defense Denver
2007 Ryan Duncan Left wing North Dakota
2008 Kevin Porter Center Michigan
2009 Matt Gilroy Defense Boston University
2010 Blake Geoffrion Center Wisconsin
2011 Andy Miele Left Wing Miami University
Who sticks out to you as a good player on that list? For me it is the following:
Carle, Leopold, Miller, Drury, Morrison, Kariya
There ages?
21, 21, 20, 21, 21, 18
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He was absolutely dominant that year
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John Mitchell just got an assist on the Rangers’ powerplay.
John Mitchell. Rangers. Powerplay.
Yeah they’re trading for Nash.
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so what you are saying is Dustin Brown to the Leafs?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
TSN just texted me that Oilers resigned Hemsky.
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2yrs $5M 0.9ppg.
No way Grabovski gets over $5M on a long deal.
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Exactly. People saying this mean Grabbo gets more. Wrong. Hemsky is a better player than Grabovski.
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yup, only way grabbo gets over 5 by comparo is if he takes term like that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I would live that if we gave Grabbo 6×2. then his next contract (if he’s even worth signing still) would be like 4x whatever
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Except Grabbo is having a much, much better season and Hemsky hasn’t been able to stay healthy.
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body of work is an important factor, also Hemsky still is much better offensively
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Jerred Smithson from Nashville to Florida for 2012 6th Round Pick with 2 years left on his contract.
Small trade, but I think Nashville will try to add another depth centre for their playoff run
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 24, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Still better than actually watching basketball.
by LeafInVancouver on Feb 24, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
When did nascar get a beer league?
At least it's not Lebda.
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2-0 caps
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3-0
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Thank god for Beer.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
That Zidlicky deal sounds awful.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions
Zidlicky boom boom down!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, that’s an overpayment for Zidlicky, right?
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
yes, it so very is
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well the liquor hasn’t totally ruined my brain, that’s good to know.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Whats the deal?
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Considering Liles only went for a 2nd, thats too much
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Liles went for a shitty, shitty 2nd. It was the current cup winners second, so a fair assumption is that it will be low again.
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yup, all quantity
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I guess not an awful deal as I said above. Just seemed a bit high.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 24, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Just flipped on Leafs Tv and saw a Kessel skating off the ice. NCAA game is on. Western Michigan has a Kessel too.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 24, 2012 8:41 PM EST reply actions
Kings have re-signed Willie Mitchell to multi-year deal [2 Years, $7 Million, $3.5AV]
Both Schenn and Komi are longer in term and cap.
BRAD RICHARDS!!!!!
Sorry, that was involuntary.
by MolyHackinaw on Feb 24, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Wanna laugh at the Rangers?
Brad Richards
58 GP 18 G 40 pts
0.31 GPG 0.69 PPG
Tyler Bozak
52GP 13 G 36 pts
0.25 GPG 0.69 PPG
Same point pace. Both signed this summer. One for a billion dollars forever, one for 1.5 million and is younger. Heheheh
Also for fun:
Grabovski
55 GP 18 G 40 pts
0.33 GPG 0.73 PPG
He is better than Richards on both counts…
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by BCapp on Feb 24, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nash is this year’s Richards. We’re not gonna get him, and he’s not worth the cost.
by MolyHackinaw on Feb 24, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny
Cammalieri
16 GP 5 G 8 pts
Bourque
17 GP 3 G 5 pts
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Leafs now 10th place :(
Glenn Healy = Raw sewage.
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