Blowout Sale! Everything Must Go!
by birky on Feb 26, 2012 8:47 AM EST
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Recap from MarliesHQ
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Its deja vu
All over again.
Seriously, I feel like I’ve been reading the same book for years.
But this time the disappointment stings a lot worse bc (imo) of how they held down a playoff spot practically since day 1.
They still have a shot, yes. But simply “having a shot” is not acceptable when u had (very recently) held ypur fate in your own hands.
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by mass9 on Feb 26, 2012 9:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
so its deja vu except for how it`s different?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
A death spiral, killing all good will and most all their playoff chances?
Nah, youre right, this is very different indeed.
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by mass9 on Feb 26, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
except for the part, where before, the Leafs started shitty and then put in a surge at the end of the season and gave us hope of a playoff chance before falling short
exactly the same thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Fair point, but I submit: whats the fundamental difference if the swoon is at the begining/middle or end of season?
its so frustrating is all.
We’re dying for a post season appearance, and just when we collectively start to believe it as a reality, the wheels start to fall off.
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by mass9 on Feb 26, 2012 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
indeed, it is very frustrating, and it sucks pretty bad, but people need to have some friggen perspective
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a very different situation, late season surges feel great but losing a playoff spot we should have had a firm grasp on feels like shit
This team is Jekyll and Hyde
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
derp
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
At the Sens/Bruins game last night I heard 5 separate “Leafs Suck!”from random parts of the crowd. I felt sorry for those guys, I really did. Then I looked at my phone and it was 3-0 Caps, and I wanted to punch those guys.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
You loathe the sens cause their fans don;t like leafs fans in their building???? Leaf fans boo our captain in his own building. You loathe the sens cause they make the playoffs….something the leafs have been having a problem with.
no, we loath Sens fans because instead of cheering for their own team they often result to Booing the Leafs, you will hear more “Leafs sucks” chants out of Sens fans than you will “go sens go” at a Leafs VS Sens game, it is kinda pathetic really
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t a Leafs game. Why would the Sens fans be thinking about the Leafs?
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by furcifer on Feb 26, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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CBJ hasn’t talked to Leafs in days. Tor will keep trying, but like NYR and Del Zotto, Gardiner remains untouchable.
by Tothelinebutnotout on Feb 26, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions
CBJ is bent over on this one. NTC cause and a very short list means they are stuck dealing with whoever is on the list. If TO and NY are the only teams on it that are interested and neither wants to give up a prized young d-man then CBJ isn’t getting one. Piss Nash off by not trading him now and the list could get shorter.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
why would Nash shorten his list if he was angry? so he could be stuck in Columbus even longer?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
If it’s true that they asked him to wave and then are unable to do it is a massive bitchslap. He signed the long term deal to stay there asked for a NTC to prevent being auctioned off to a destination he wants no part of. The situation could turn severely toxic quick and makes the organization look even worse than it already does if that’s possible.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt very much Nash is stupid and petty enough to cripple the organizations options and make himself more unhappy just to settle some petty vendetta
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Some would argue he was stupid enough to sign that deal in the first place with that organization. None of us can say with any certainty what another individual is thinking nor how that person might change their mind over time.
Look at Richards, wouldn’t waive his NTC at any point. If he knew he wanted the NYR as the story goes he could have helped out Dallas by letting them trade his rights to the Rags for a couple of picks.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Richards was a UFA, Nash has 6 years left on his contract, that is slightly different
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not the point. Point is the player is not obligated to maximize the return for the team attempting to trade him away. Nash has been a circus for 2 weeks now. Dude has bags packed and is ready to move on. To yank the carpet out from under him now might/should piss him off
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
the point was, Richards could get pissed off and not waive because in a few months he could have his pick of where to go and there was nothing the Stars could have done to prevent it
If Nash pulls that shit, all Howson has to do is say “ok, hope you like columbus for the next 6 years, I hear they are building a new strip mall, and it’s gonna have a jamba juice! because i am not trading you for scraps”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Then he parks his increasing salary boat anchor contract ass in the dressing room and plays even further below his value. Good luck rebuilding around a sulking superstar captain.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
if that’s the kind if giant baby rick nash is, then it’s his own fault
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, wanting to be traded is one thing but having a temper tantrum and playing like shit because you weren’t is just childish
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
He is the guy who decided to sign with Columbus. I will never understand why these big name players re-up with the teams that drafted them instead of going to the open market.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
because the team had just made the playoffs and looked to be on the way up?
oh and they offered him 7,8 million fucking dollars a year to stay there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’d still turn them down. But then again, I think every player That grew up a Leaf fan should pull a Lindros-type thing but say NOWHERE BUT THE LEAFS!
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
no you wouldnt, if I was a hockey player and the ottawa senators offered me 4 milion dollars a year to play, you bet your ass I’d play for the ottawa senators
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
then you’d be an idiot
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think his options were 7.8 million in Columbus or 4 million on the open market.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
and I don’t think you have any idea what it is like to be drafted by a team, live there for 6ish years, start your life as an 18 year old, be a huge part of the community, see the club finally start to turn around and be relied on by said club as its leader and best player
so easy to walk away from, especially when they essentially give you the key to the money vault for the next 8 years on a team that looks to be finally putting it all together thanks, in a big part to you
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And after one year he wants out. And he does want out.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
He’s not demanding to be traded. He’s willing to waive his no trade clause – Big difference.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh so would I, but if the Toronto Maple Leafs offered me 3.5 instead I’d go there
That’s just me though
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Uh I wouldn’t. If I was drafted by a team and I was in my prime earning years I’d go for the money. Who knows what the future holds? Injuries etc.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus asked him to wave not Nash asking for a trade. Massive difference. If Nash asked to be traded or was forcing this his list would be longer.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
how do you know Nash never wanted to be traded before?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
because the team had just made the playoffs and looked to be on the way up?
oh and they offered him 7,8 million fucking dollars a year to stay there
Gonna assume he never asked since this is only the second yr of the long term deal he was only too happy to sign. Keep trolling and antagonizing though.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
so he couldn’t have wanted out last year?
you keep building straw men
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Right he signed a long term deal one day and asked for a trade the next.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
no, more like 2 seasons later, he signed his extension with one year left on his contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He signed an extension almost 2 years ago. The team came to him and asked him if he’d be willing to waive his no trade, not the other way around. Now he has had to be shopped for a while (which must suck beyond belief) and he just wants it over.
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Nash is probably not that stupid or petty, but I could see some agents trying to pull a stunt like that, thinking they are teaching the team a lesson.
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the agent represents the player, why would he do something that is bad for the player on purpose? that’d be a pretty shitty agent
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Plenty of agents have done things that weren’t good for their player before – having them hold out, posting stupid things on Twitter, etc etc
That being said, I agree with you that it’s unlikely that happens since it really looks like he wants out sooner rather than later.
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lots of agents do stupid things at the requests of their players, or at least with a blessing from them
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it would have to be at the players’ blessing, but I’d imagine that an older fellow who negotiates for a living could convince a young professional athlete that all kinds of silly things are in his best interest.
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and if that is the case, then the player deserves to be fucked over
Nash is 28 years old and a grown ass man, I am sure he has a pretty good idea of what is best for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I’d imagine that an older fellow who negotiates for a living could convince a young professional athlete that all kinds of silly things are in his best interest.
Agree. Case in point: Theo Fleury.
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by rift valley on Feb 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Nash can become a .925 goalie, then I hope Burke doesn’t ante up.
Don't trade Grabbo
by CoolJ90 on Feb 26, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with all the names above with the exception of Grabovski. Under no circumstance do I want to see Grabbo go…unless somebody better is coming back the other way, and that’s not bloody likely.
I’d prefer a very good prospect than a 1st. The type of team picking up Grabbo for the stretch drive is likely a playoff team and that means it’s a pick at the bottom of the 1st.
I’d rather have a 20-something skater tearing up the AHL who’s ready for an NHL job with us.
Ideally? It’s a goaltender ready to be an NHL starter who for whatever reason hasn’t done so yet or hasn’t been given the chance. I dunno if that’s Schneider or Harding or Bernier or what but if we’re trading our best overall player (at all ends of the ice) then surely it behooves us to get the thing back that we most need — above average fucking goaltending for once.
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This is what Ive just been saying on twitter
if grabbo is going we need a young top6 center coming back. They dont have to be good now, but they have to be top6 in a couple years. They cant be a Colborne type prospect who might never make it. They have to be playing now.
Time to think of examples.. probably Couturier, players like that.
Whatever we need to add to get him, fine
Yes, the guy who has one assist in the last 9 games is a definite keeper.
I like Grabovski but he is 28 years old and this team is probably 3 years away from seriously competing and with his small size you never know how his body will hold up. He has never had a 60 point season and he is asking for over $5M on a long term deal. I say if we can get something good for him wish him well and send him on his way. If he becomes a UFA and finds no other teams willing to give him his long term deal maybe he’ll come back and accept the Leafs 4year $20M offer. But to suggest a pending UFA that you are having trouble signing should not be traded is just the wrong thing to do. It’s the equivalent of trading a first round pick (maybe more) for a rental and if Burke did that Leaf fans would go crazy.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 26, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First off, I believe that I added the caveat about “unless somebody better is coming back”. Second, Grabovski will likely sign, for close to what Burke wants him for. Dude wants to play in TO. Burke won’t overpay. Everything going on now is standard contractual posturing. As per his point production in the past nine games as something that makes him expendable…Wut? While he may not be lighting the lamp at the moment, he’s still on a good place, even though he’s playing alongside a stone cold Kulemin and a streaky MacArthur.
He’s top 20 in points/60 over the last three seasons and number 1 overall in CORSI REL over the same time period. He creates pressure out of nothing, and is probably next to only Kessel in his ability to bring me out of my seat. Even when he fucks up, he looks dangerous doing it
Aaaand, he forechecks like a motherfucker, and when hit in the head, activates superpowers which are capable of destroying opposing teams with a withering glance and a nifty spin-move. Do I have to even mention the pineapples??!!!?
So, yeah. Unless it’s Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin, the Sedin twins, Tavares or Columbus’ first, don’t want.
Grabbo for life.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Statsny, while younger makes more money than Grabbo is asking for (IIRC)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
he is also better, which is why he makes/will make more money
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
It was a great article. Had it ready to paste in if the conversation continued…;)
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, the guy who has one assist in the last 9 games is a definite keeper.
This is the epitome of small sample sizes. At this time of the year the biggest mistake somebody can do is overvalue recent play (or undervalue it).
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by BCapp on Feb 26, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, the whole team is in the shitter in those last nine games. Clearly all Grabbo’s fault
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by CameronSorley on Feb 26, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
It’s like a megazord of both combined.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I love Grabovski but I have to agree with Birky, he’s probably gone.
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what scares me is that if he isn’t gone at the deadline, Burke probably signs him to too much for too long to prevent losing him for nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
woudln’t be about saving face, it would be about retaining a player who is pretty good in an area that is terribly lacking for the team.
It’s called not having options, the same reason he signed Tim Connolly
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Then he should sign him before the deadline if he wants to keep him. Otherwise I wouldn’t take the chance.
Grabbo for a 1st, even a later 1st > Grabbo 5 yrs/5 million per
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
That late first might never become Grabbo. That late first is potentially 3-4 yrs away from stepping into Grabbo’s role now
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
so you’d rather have him walk as a UFA or have Burke sign a 28 year old, only recently good, probably going to decline pretty rapidly, non-elite player to a long term 5 million plus dollar contract?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
If the gap is so wide that there is no hope of reaching a deal then yes you have to explore the idea of trading him for anything but it’s compounded by the fact that the Leafs are still in the hunt and he is a key component. If they are a million and/or yr off on term then a deal can be reached before July then you have to risk keeping him
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Burke has to ask himself what is best for the team
does he give into demands and possibly tie down a struggling bubble team with a potential aging boat anchor?
does he cut losses and take the best assets he can get?
does he run the roulette table and risk the first, or possibly end up with nothing at all?
if you ask me, Burke isn’t really in a position to gamble, he has to take the assets
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
In the end it all comes down to how the negotiations, which we are not privy to, are going.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
If all they get for Grabbo is a late 1st i would rather see him walk. THey need to get at least a =nother good prospect with that. Grabbo is a #1 center. Maybe not an Elite one but a #1 none the less.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
you would rather have nothing than a late 1st? that’s stupid
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would take the late 1st but that should never happen, If thats all he gets Burke got fleeced
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
if that is the best offer Burke gets, he can’t exactly demand more and make the GM’s pay it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Then i keep Grabbo and try to sign him. If the best offer is shit you dont have to take it just because its the best. If a late first is all you can get there is more value in resigning him.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
by signing him to a long term too much money contract that will extend way past his years of being useful, what a great idea
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Just because he demands it doesnt mean Burke has to pay it. There are just as good odds that he signs a reasonable contract as a late 1st becoming the player he is.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
so he walks for zero return
what a brilliant way to use assets
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t be the first guy to walk for nothing. Free Agency has been around for a while.
If all I can get is a late 1st I take my chances of getting him back on a reasonable contarct. No more risk Than taking a late 1st back.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Late first turns into Hugh Jessiman, Thats awesome asset management.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
and if it turns into Ryan Getzlaf it is terrible asset management?
a mediocre prospect is better than no prospect at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
If Grabbo signs for 4 years at 4.5 per is that terrible asset management?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
nope, but why would he sign for that much? if that is all he wanted, he’d be inked already
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Even 4/4.75. Grabbo on a decent term is better than a mediocre prospect.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Grabbo won’t sign for the same or less than Ruutu nor should he.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
he could easily get 5+ x 5+ on the open market, if you were a money hungry agent? tell him to sign for less with the leafs and lose over 200 000k?
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
grabovski wants 5+ million for 5+ years according to all sources, what makes you think he’ll take less?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Hemsky taking 5 million for two years gives Burke more leverage and everyone knows Ruutu was an overpayment.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
so one under payment has more leverage than an over payment?
how does that make sense?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
makes as much sense as an overpayment having more leverage than an underpayment. You can’t throw out my comparable and keep yours.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I am not throwing out yours, if you look at comparable players, take in the increasing cap and add in the fact that he is a UFA, every single sign points to overpayment
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Noone knows for sure what the cap will do and was Hemsky not also UFA?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Hemsky is one example of a home grown player taking a sweet heart deal to help his team
all other examples point to this not being likely for grabbo
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
If Grabbo gets any more than 5×5 as UFA he is worth more than a late 1st in Trade which makes this conversation pointless.
I’m not against trading Grabbo I just think if you are getting pennies on the dollar for him you are better off taking your chances resigning him and trading him at another time.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
dollar value and trade value are two separate things
UFA’s cost more because teams don’t have to give up assets, and thus there is a larger bidding war
if a team has to actually give up something valuable for a player like a 1st round pick, they are more likely to baulk because they are losing more than cash money
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really see Burke only getting a late 1st for him?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
no, but if that is the best offer come 2:59 tomorrow, Burke should snap that shit up
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hemsky has also not exactly lit it up since coming back from injury, and third year in a row he’s missed significant time
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by red army line on Feb 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol at 4 @ 4.75, not happenning, agents play a big part in this
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
oddly im with jfl on this one
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
also, agents are greedy, the difference in agent salary between 5 @ 5.5 and 5 @ 4 is well over 200 000k at a minimum
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
agents want the best for their clients, so they have to be greedy.
if you arn’t getting the best deal for your client, or at least trying to, then you are doing a shitty job
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, the agent is driving the bus and grabbo is sitting in the back, and the agent is trying to get the best deal for his player cause thats more money in his pocket, if im a player who is filthy rich i could care less about making an extra mil a year
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
you missed the part about “getting the best deal for your client” that doesn’t strictly mean straight up dollar bills. it means getting the player what he wants, be it long term security for them and their family or a fair paycheck based on other comparables
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
sure, but if burke wont pay it, which he would be stupid to, grabbo walks for sure, people saying he will take a discount to stay with leafs are kidding themselves, the agent will say, fuck that noise, we are walking
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
and hang on jfl, im just shoring up your defense here, agreeing that getting a 1st is better than getting nothing at all or signing grabbo to a terrible deal
by power-forward on Feb 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Canes chose the terrible deal with ruutu because the carolina is not nhl players first choice on a team to play. Oilers have struggled on signing defenders too. Whatever choice Burke makes it will not be perfect. We know there is a chance when overpaying with size and term, the contract can be burdensome as in the case of a Komisarek or Army. And he does have skill gaps that need to be addressed.
maybe they agree on dollars but length is the sticking point. Grabbo loves TO and wants a 7yr NTC deal, do you do it?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
no
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Then it’s unanimous.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
No NTC. I’d do 7 years only if the cap hit drops significantly.
Grabbo wants 2 year deal? I would probably give him 6. 3 years? High 5’s. 4-5 years? 5. He wants to take 7? I don’t think I’d give him 4.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t like when people blame “the agent”. The agent acts on the directions that the player gives him.
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And if he didn’t, he’d be fired.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Grabovski has said that he doesn’t pay attention to the negotiations, hasn’t he?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but that doesnt mean he hasn’t discussed with his agent about how much, or how little, he is willing to take
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Then he’s lying, or an idiot.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
or, you know, he is focusing on hockey
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Although the Leafs still could make the playoffs i think selling off a few pieces is probably the best move for the overall health of the franchise. We aren’t going to truly compete for a cup for a few years as much as i love Grabbo he will likely be on the decline during what hopefully is a period of sustained excellence. If we can get a few good assets for him I’d pull the trigger. I’d also move mac because his value now is close to as high as it will likely get. Of course try to move Armstrong, Lombardi and Komi if anyone is stupid enough to take them. Connoly I don’t really care if they move him now or next year at the deadline.
The things i wouldn’t do are sell off picks or prospects to push for a first round exit. I also wouldn’t make a panic move for a goalie. If a move is going to be made in net I think it would be better to wait until summer and go after Schneider or someone else who may not be available right now. No sense wasting an asset even if its just a 2nd or 3rd round pick on renting Khabibulin or Nabokov. Don’t trade our 1st!!! Right now its a top 10 pick.
there’s no point in bringing in immediate help right now unless they’re a long-term piece. Grabovski is a good player, but he’ll be 30+ when the Leafs are actually serious about making a run. If they trade him now, they could potentially add a good young player who’d be controllable for several years and ideally would be ready to contribute at an ideal time.
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i think that with this sudden downturn the leafs dont want to play for coach wilson! burke is obviously taking his job as making money for his company rather than spending the money to make a competitive team! i think he should step down and take his american buddy with him!
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions
the comment you have posted is too dumb, please type something smarter and try again
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
leafs shouldnt HAVE SANDWITCHES yet!
i think that with this sudden downturn the leafs dont want to play WIFFOUT SANDWITCHES! burke is obviously taking his job as making money for his company rather than spending the money to make QUALITEE SANDWITCHES! i think he should step down and take his SHITTY SUBS with him!
/adjustedforcomprehension
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by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
sammich!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
qualiteee
Glenn Healy = Raw sewage.
by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
at least you understand what i meant so it cant be that dumb lmfao!
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
people posting lmfao after their own comments is another sign of idiocy.
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by furcifer on Feb 26, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the “self-reply while actually meaning to reply to someone else” is usually also a pretty good indicator.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
In other words, Ron Burgundy was the balls.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m glad this is continuing.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe a little too harsh?
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 26, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
no, if he died in a fire im not sure there would be too many people sweating,
except the people sweating from the heat of the fire
What the hell are you talking about?
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by leafsportugal on Feb 26, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
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rather than spending the money to make a competitive team
Leafs have the largest front office and scouting staff in the league.
Leafs have the newest practice facility in the league.
Leafs have one of the few private team planes in the league.
Leafs spend up to the cap which is all they’re allowed to in this league.
Enlighten me on where you’d like Burke to throw more dollars in order to improve the team.
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by furcifer on Feb 26, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the linkage. Don’t mortgage the future Burkey!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions
what are the chances we can get nash?
anyone know?
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions
Unless Nash turns into a top pairing shutdown D or a goalie with a .925 he can stay where he is for the price we will have to pay
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
your name is my fantasy team’s name.
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RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Slim to none
Brown is a good player and all, but it will probably cost more to get him than he is worth, and as the last several weeks have shown, we are not good enough to compete yet so why bother acquiring guys who will be too old by the time we are ready?
Regarding what he’s worth,I think his two way play and intangibles are overrated but his penalty drawing skills are massively underrated
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by red army line on Feb 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If they can get a 1st plus a prospect for Grabovski I'd say do it.
As much as I like Grabbo it has always been telling that they never saw him as a 1st line centre and I don’t support signing your 2C to a 5×5 deal until he’s 33.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions
i agree!
he is a hefty price tag for having no production
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
3-4 soiled jocks seems like too steep a price for another team to pay
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by T.Dot_Bronco on Feb 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’m fine with keeping him for 1 more year as a 2C. Plus we could always deal him at next years deadline as an expiring for a nice return. This depends on how close you believe Joe Colbourne is.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
colbourne is the question
zigomanis is the other question
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Zigomanis is not a question
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
he's the answer
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by T.Dot_Bronco on Feb 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
only if the question is “who is that old guy who is pretty good in the AHL, but absolute garbage in the NHL and won’t help the Leafs at all?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
precicely
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Feb 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with Jared on this one Zigomanis holds the most value exactly where he is right now. The goal is to make the Leafs better not worse.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly think he helps the Leafs organization by being a very good AHL veteran and mentoring the prospects. He is one of hte highest paid AHL players to do that and I am quite happy with it like that.
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yup
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
He was our only tweener last year at forward (between Boyce, him, and Crabb), who didn’t take the 105 000 AHL contract (makes it easier to call up). To me that strongly suggests he is happy being in the AHL. (he makes 300K this year in the A).
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At the end of the pre-season, Aulie and Ziggy were two of the last cuts from the Leafs. Eakins told them to take a day off and skip practice the next morning. Both guys showed up at the rink early anyway, ready to go. I’d be willing to bet Ziggy told Aulie that it would make a great impression on the coach if they did that. That’s probably why he’s making $300k in the minors.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of people were suggesting Ziggy said that at the time.
I really like him and very happy to have a guy like that down there if he is pleased. I don’t want a Marlies team full of AHL vets, but a couple guys (4 or less) spread out between forward and D is probably helpful.
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Zigomanis sucks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
But Don Cherry says he should play
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well Colbourne because you don’t know if he’s ready next year. zigomanis is not an option.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
what about kadri? let him play the season in the big league?
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Top 9 forwards under contract/control next year: Kessel, Lupul, Bozak, MacArthur, Connolly, Kulemin, Kadri, Colborne, Frattin ?
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta deal Lombardi for whatever you can get IMO. Maybe a 4th.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Lombardi might respond well to a full offseason of training. Hopefully he can find a set of hands before next yr
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Are you by chance a GM in the NHL?
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
even if he doesnt, I think he is a valuable asset, he is coming off of a concussion that kept him out for a long time, I agree the summer of workouts will do him good, I think he gets alot of un deserved hate around here.
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by CameronSorley on Feb 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
He has never has hands, dating back to his days in Cgy where I saw him play quite a bit. Infuriating with his speed that he never developed any touch around the net.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 26, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
The guy who missed a year with a concussion? Lets give him a summer to get bakc into shape.
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eh, I’d trade him if someone offered something better than a 5th
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
He was back for the pre-season and is among the fastest players on the team. It’s not about being in shape, which he clearly is, it’s about not sucking at hockey.
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So all of a sudden he sucks at hockey? When he didn’t suck at hockey for the first 5 or 6 years of his career?
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Because he got his eggs scrambled. Look at Liles. Concussions are terrible.
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horrible timing on that extension, horrible
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Liles still played the same shitty defense pre concussion, now that his offense has slipped its more noticeable
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Liles is a pretty one-dimensional player. Always has been. He isn’t MAB or Jack Johnson bad at D, but he is probably slightly below average. Hopefully he refinds his game and becomes a good PP QB.
One of the reasons I dislike his resigning more and more, is that we already have a young guy, who in the long run will likely see sheltered ES minutes and a fair bit of PP time and be expected to put up some ES points (Franson). Now we have two players we need to play like that…
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I agree with BCapp that Lombardi might improve next year with a full off-season to get back in shape, but $3.5 million is still too much to pay a 3rd line winger so I’d be looking to trade him.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t there a condition strapped to Lombardi? If he plays more than X games over two years then the team surrenders a 4th-round pick? Not that surrendering an extra 4th is a huge cost, but it might complicate things a bit.
I’m pretty sure it was like 40 games this year and he’s going to beat that if he hasn’t already, so Nashville is getting an extra pick
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lombo has played 44 games so far
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The deal also includes a conditional fourth-round pick that Nashville acquires if Lombardi plays more than 60 games over the next two seasons.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
16 games in 2 years? hell, even Armstrong can manage that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my numbers were way off but he might even get 16 games this year
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
What I want to see is a really good top 6, rather than a good top 9. Our third line was supposed to be really good coming into this season. I’d rather see a Lupul – ____ – Kessel, _ – Grabbo – Mac/Kulemin. That means a Parise and a Statsny. Obviously thats a hard thing to do, but I would trade the assets for it. Look how Chicago, Detroit, Pitts, etc. do with a great top 6. obviously its not easily emulatable. Doing that though means that we can shelter some prospects that wouldnt have big cap hits (kadri, colborne) and just run some utility players (steckel, brown, bozak).
I would like an elite top 12. Just sayin’
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
The 30 year old career AHLer with no NHL offensive talent?
He is the answer to “who can we get to mentor our prospects on the Marlies?”
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I also don’t know if Colborne is #2C material. Remains to be seen.
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Started out playing 2pts per game with Crabb but in now putting up .8pts per game for the season. Quite the fall off since his demotion and Crabb’s promotion
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly think we shouldn’t. Every game he gives Lombardi or Joey Crabb some amazing scoring chance. I really think that if he were on a line with someone who had some finish, we wouldn’t be complaining about his point totals. He’s also been relatively healthy, which is more than anyone expected. His deal is off the books after next year; reëvaluate then
by Holidays in the Sundin on Feb 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Nice use of umlaut, I approve.
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by rift valley on Feb 26, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson
I’m surprised that it’s being suggested that Burke will fire Wilson. He hasn’t done it in previous years when things have entirely fallen apart and I don’t see it happening now or any time soon.
by Twisted Sittler on Feb 26, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions
Coach given terrible roster, gets expected results
coach given slightly better roster, team does better
roster gets better, team does well, then inexplicably collapses due to poor systems
things change
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
We’ve definitely been solved offensively by good teams.
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Clog neutral zone and force speed to the outside.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think its fair to blame a system, I think its rather silly especially considering that the Leafs really don’t do things all that different from other teams except that in the case with the Leafs, the players fail to comprehend or execute them as successfully/consistently as other teams do.
Perhaps there is some blame to the coaches as well but I disagree the teams deficiencies are solely due to their incompetence.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
I don’t think Wilson will be back next season, but firing him at this point in time doesn’t seem like Burke’s MO.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this. Everyone around here seems to be a fan of Eakins as the next head coach. I don’t think pulling Eakins away from the Marlies before what could be a deep playoff run would be wise and i’m not a fan of interim coaches.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
he’s never done it before, if memory serves me, but then Burke has never been predictable
if anything I think he waits till after the deadline so he can see what shakes out
if there are massive roster changes, maybe he gives wilson a shot with them, or gives a new coach a fresh canvas to work on
But if the roster remains mostly static, unless, Burke goes deep sea draft fishing, he brings in an intrum guy to see what he can work with the current roster before he mixes it up in the off season
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
we need to not buy tickets for ACC and make a point to the management ! if only we all could do that! maybe we could push them lmfao
by glennmaygiggity on Feb 26, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
What on earth are you talking about? The Leafs spend more money than likely every other team. They flex their financial muscle in every way possible.
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I think the lmfao implied sarcasm.
Otherwise he gets Burgundy`d
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by clrkaitken on Feb 26, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clarke MacArthur is a 26 year old who is one of three forwards on our team with a positive Corsi ON despite playing a lot of the year with poor linemates. He scores plenty of goals despite not getting nearly the same amount of minutes that a guy like Lupul gets. He picked up plenty of assists last season when Nikolai Kulemin scored more than 6 goals. Man, I sure hope we trade him for a 2nd round pick who will likely never play a game in the NHL!
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I’d trade mac only if we get value for him. There is no gun to Burke’s head like the potential Grabbo situation.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
There is no reason too.
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If someone is willing to overpay I would trade anyone on the team.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
cost controlled for another season, still producing, good team mate, hard worker
yeah Burke wont move him for anything but an over payment
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve never like the idea of trading MacA. Kulemin will be signed to a cheap deal after the year as an RFA coming off a terrible year and can still be paired with MacA as wingers on a solid 2nd line.
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Strickland @andystrickland
Ottawa closing in on deal to land Ben Bishop from St. Louis…#Sens making sure they can sign him beofre the deal gets completed #Blues
Fuck Ottawa.
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meh
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it will work out for him if he wants to suck.
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Lehner is having a pretty bad year in the AHL for the “elite” prospect the Sens seemed to think he was, makes sense they are looking for a secondary option
Leafs already have enough, young maybe’s
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand why he’s considered such an “elite prospect” his AHL numbers are okay, if that.
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 26, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
MSM pumping his tires.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's his age
He also won MVP of their playoffs last year at 19.
Schneider and Bernier’s hype are based around them getting goaltender of the year in the A (Bernier also had hype as a top pick);
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Wonder what that deal will look like.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Strickland @andystrickland
Both sides appear ok with #Sens speaking with Bishop before trade is made. Likely to agree on 1 yr. extension #Blues
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Why would Ottawa hold out on a deal to negotiate for 1 year of unproven goaltending?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
If they are giving up anything of significance i would be looking for longer than a 1 year deal. I know Bishops free agency status is all fucked up, would he be UFA after next year if he signs a 1 year deal?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Craig Anderson hurt worse than originally thought or are they solidifying the back up goalie spot. What does this mean for Robin Lehner?
by scott tubbesing on Feb 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
it means he’d better pick it up in the AHL
contingency plan
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs got anything near league average goaltending we’d probably be the 6th or 7th seed in the East right now. The team has holes that need to be filled, with goaltending being the most pressing concern, but we’ve also got some good pieces in place. If Burke can move out some salary like Lombardi or Connolly to make room for some upgrades in the off-season, then that’s probably a good idea, but if we just get rid of any decent player older than 24 every year until we magically become a contender, we’ll never become a contender. At some point you have to start keeping good players around.
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the only good player the Leafs should trade is Grabovski
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’d trade Lupul. Well, at least see what’s out there. I’m sure Burke is. We’ve seen some crazy deals in the past.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I would only trade Grabovski if Burke is at a point right now where he thinks the gap between them is too far to bridge in the next couple of months. He is way too valuable to this team to move him if you think you can still re-sign him.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
If you can move Grabbo for decent return to a contender, the return could be packaged to a building team for something we need/want.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Again, I find myself agreeing with you. Grabovski is a valuable player for this team when it is performing well. Everyone says last week that there is very little chance a late 1st becomes as good as Kyle Quincey. Grabovski is a better player than Quincey all things considered, so doesnt that chance of finding a player of Grabovski’s talent level, even if it is 4-5 years down the road. I’ll take the chances and keep him.
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by CameronSorley on Feb 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
as we discussed above, you have to be pretty sure that you can get grabbo signed to a sane contract, he is too valuble to risk losing for nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s the opposite – he’s too valuable to risk trading when we’re going to badly need a player like him next season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
which you still lose out on if he wants way too much money/term and he leaves for free agency
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Right, which is why I said Burke should trade him if he knows there’s no deal to be made.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
even if he is unsure
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Grabovski is pretty much the only good centre who will be UFA this year. If we get rid of him, we’re either going into next season with Bozak/Connolly/Colborne down the middle, or we’re giving up significant assets to bring someone else in.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
PARISE!
Seriously though Bozak has had almost as good a year as Grabbo (obviously being carried vs carrying). If Connolly can rebound and Colborne makes a good young C (2 big if’s) it is another bubble team set of top 9 C’s… /Sigh
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
So what? Bozak/Grabbo/Connolly right now isn’t great either
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs sign Grabovski to a huge deal, how are they going to improve at C? They will have no cap space.
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If you can move Grabovski and go out and get someone better this summer, you’ve got an improvement over the current group.
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If Burke knows someone better than Grabovski is available and Grabbo is taking up the cap space necessary to make that move then of course you trade Grabovski. But trading him because you hope Getzlaf or someone will hit the market is dumb.
Right now the UFA crop of centres is all worse than Grabovski. Burke has been trying unsuccessfully to trade for a premiere centre for like 3 years now. Those guys don’t grow on trees. Odds of someone better than Grabbo being available are slim.
Basically it sounds like you want to get rid of our best 2-way player so we can sit around and wait for lightning to strike.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Odds of someone better than Grabbo being available are slim.
Perhaps so. If that’s the case, then it’s pretty obvious that the Leafs aren’t going to be contenders for a while. So whats the point to keeping Grabovski over moving him for a younger asset? So you get to watch him play while the Leafs tread water for another 2 years until his play declines to a point well below his salary? It seems like incredibly short-sighted thinking.
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by birky on Feb 26, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Grabbo isn’t signed tomorrow, we need to move him for assets.
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
One of the challenges here is the asymmetry of info. Burke & co. know way more than we do wrt to Grabbo’s salary and term expectations.
Just because he hasn’t signed by tomorrow, doesn’t mean he won’ t be signed before July 1.
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I think there’s a big difference between re-signing Grabovski and continuing to keep your ear to the ground with respect to other players becoming available as opposed to getting rid of him and then backing yourself into a corner.
Also, I the odds of a player as good as Grabovski becoming available are much better than the odds of a player better than him becoming available. And I think a team with two Grabovskis could be a legit Stanley Cup contender with guys like Kessel on the wing, as long as we can get our goaltending sorted out.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Can we find someone better this summer?
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He’s a winger.
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Probably more than half of the great wingers in the league did. Off the top of my head Kessel, Kane, and Parise were all C’s in junior.
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So what’s the thinking behind switching those players to wing? “You know what kid, you can really score, how bout we focus on that and worry about defense later?” or is it “Let’s concentrate on perfecting the things you are good at before we try to add to your tool box” ? I’m genuinely confused. Why not just leave them at center. I’m sure for some players it’s a size issue but lets use Zach Parise as an example. He’s 5’11 and 195 which is around avg if I’m not mistaken. Why move that?
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My understanding is that basically they were playing C in junior because the best players in junior almost always play C. Now that they are in the professional leagues, coaches put more effort into finding a spot where they can do their best. But not sure…
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I’m going to go ahead and assume Kessel, Kane, and Parise destroyed their respective development leagues. Top NHL talents dominate them, they are too busy scoring to have to worry about D. But once they hit AHL/NHL they are no longer a cut above the entire league.
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Yup. I may actually be mistaken on Kane as I think Sam Gagner was his centre. But the point stands. Kadri would be another example (he looks likely to be a LW).
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I don’t think resigning Grabovski at this point should threaten our cap space too much for the summer. We have hte 10% overage and Burke probably won’t sign the RFA’s right away. Will have to make some moves in the summer to dump overpaid guys, but it won’t be impossible.
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If the Leafs sign Grabovski to a huge deal, how are they going to improve at C? They will have no cap space.
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by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Our centres aren’t very good. I hope we get rid of the best one.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we dont over pay a guy who has likely peaked and will probably do nothing but decline over the 7 year contract he wants while he takes up near 6 mil in cap space, or better yet, he leaves for nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not what birky said at all.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
We all wish for league average goaltending but how much of that is Wilsons defensive structure?
Look at last night: first goal was brutal. Full stop.
Second goal, Schenn gives it away to semin right in the slot, was it saveable? Probably, however the chance should not have happened.
Third goal (I think) caps crashed the crease and not a single player takes or a player and Halpern roofs it on the 3rd shot
Fourth goal 3 on 2 and not a single forward is back on time and Aucoin goes untouched to the net.
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, if it really is mostly on Wilson, then I would say change the coach and leave the roster more or less the way it is.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I want to see more than anything, I just wish it could happen before the season becomes a write-off even though I know Wilson isn’t going anywhere this season
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by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
goaltending vs. coaching? what the fuck is this? 2010?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
both suck
lets move on to blaming the goalie coach and Burke for not drafting Mike Bossy
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
that was really somethin’
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I know, right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The only game in recent memory where the goaltending was the single reason for the loss was the one vs. the Devils where Gustavsson let in 2 bad goals and one horrid one in OT. In all other cases either better goaltending or better defense could have compensated for the shortcomings in the other area.
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If Burke trades grabbo and we find out that Burke offered 5 a season and grabbo wanted 5.5, all hypothetical, what would your response be?
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same term?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
See repeated remarks about wasting capspace on Orr/Rosehill healthy scratches.
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totally could have used that cap space for…..for…..for?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I coulda won the lotto last week if I bought a ticket
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone is missing the point here. What’s the point of debating guys that actually play hockey being overpaid when your GM has repeatedly burned cap dollars on healthy scratched pluggers?
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because burned cap dollars that would have sat idle anyway are a nothing problem to a team like the Leafs?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Except that can be used to add players at the deadline. But then again that’s not a concern because this team will never be buyers so……….
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if Burke adds significant salary, then he will move some to make room, he’s done it before
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Never be buyers? Seriously man
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Cuz you can waive those guys when you need the space?
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Point is if you are running a 23 man roster there will be nightly scratches regardless of who they are. Rosehill makes near the league min so he is as cheap a pressbox warmer as you can find.
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Wayne Gretzky – You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
That’s this season, next year it won’t matter
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And you don’t think Burke will do the same next year with some other scrubs? He’s done it every year.
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Are there any teams that don’t run with a 23 man roster greater than 80% of the time?
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that doesn’t matter for a contract for next season though
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 26, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Burke has never had the Leafs short of needed cap space, don’t see how having some meh players in the press box changes that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Please show us all the rosters of teams that run 20-21 players nightly saving this precious cap space.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
And what do we get for him? Too hypothetical.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson's Trade Deadline Comments
A Dirk Hayhurst quote (author/ex-Blue Jay/ guy who went through depression):
Stuff Colby Rasmus was feeling sounds eerily similar. Hope folks are understanding. Mental pressures perceived or otherwise, affect play. Unfortunately, fans aren’t very forgiving of players with mental issues since they believe money/fame should negate them.
Obviously depression or Rasmus being tortured by his old manager is a bit different than Wilson suggesting that his Leafs players’ poor play can be partially attributed to the looming trade deadline, but maybe we do give these guys a bit too hard of a time sometimes.
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Not to diminish the effects of stress and possibly depression, especially on a team as young as the Leafs. But there are 29 other teams ot there with similar pressures who currently don’t suck as much as our team…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
29 other teams? what about the 8 below the Leafs in the standings?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
He did say “currently” and the Leafs actually have been the worst in the league over the last 10 games.
It is horrible…
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currently there are 8 teams that are statistically worse than the leafs, and a few more that arn’t much better
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
It depends how you look at currently. Do you look at it as where are they now, in the current time of the season?
Or
How are they playing currently (and for that I would look at recent production. And it i sbaaaad…)
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I hope we take out the first 13 games when deciding how good the Leafs are, because the good games don’t count and the bad games count double.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
True, but the statement was made with respect to the play of the team leading up to the trade deadline, thus the comment applies to the Leafs play over the last 10…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
and they are still better off than almost 10 other teams, what does that say?
maybe that they arnt quite as bad as their record shows?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I would completely agree. My point was that the stress of the looming trade deadline as an excuse for the Leaf’s poor play is not valid as there are 29 teams who are all impacted by the trade deadline, none of whom have played as bad as Toronto over the last 10 game stretch.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
None of those teams play in Toronto. Both National Sports networks, tv, radio and newspapers are all based out of here. Every damn time a name is mentioned they include the Leafs as a team interested.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
its a dumb excuse
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
In phoenix 1 beat reporter shows up after the game with his 20 yr old cassette recorder asking simple questions because his story will be a paragraph long summary on page 11 right after high school basketball vs 20 reporters grilling you for half an hour after an optional skate might have an impact on some.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
it is a dumb excuse. full stop
it isnt the reporting that would “get” to people or else they would shrivel in toronto right off the bat and the trade deadline coverage would be moot
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
But accepting that as a legitimate excuse for poor play is resigning ourselves to an eternity of suckage.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Lame excuse or not since the beginning of January the media has been spewing stories about how much BB likes to deal before the deadline. Anniversaries of past deals are celebrated and dissected. Every passing day comes a new player on the block and the Leafs are in on every deal. Every day there isn’t a trade BB must have several irons in the fire and an itchy trigger finger. Players are humans too. If you knew your job was potentially sending you to Columbus or Edmonton tomorrow it would get stressful. Now imagine you have an overbearing, vocal wife at home reading this shit all day and nagging when she sees you.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
then why didn’t it affect the team last year?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The one name that was widely circulated at the deadline last yr was Phil from Sportschek and if you recall his play went completely into the shitter weeks leading up the deadline. He admitted it affecting him. Is he the only one.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle’s didnt, his name was way up the list compared to pretty much everyone in the NHL
and how about this year for the Leafs? Guys like Reimer or Kulemin arn’t being talked about being traded very much, or Lupul, or Kessel, and lots of these guys arn’t producing right now?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel is slumping again? Lupul playing back down to his capabilities? Reimer still not back to normal?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
seems that everyone has an excuse
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s always someone else’s fault. Just ask Wilson.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
wait, i thought it was the deadlines fault, the deadline isnt a person
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Kessel has 4 points in his last 5 games, which may be slumping compared to the way he’s played so far I guess, but it’s not the problem with this team right now
by Holidays in the Sundin on Feb 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Now imagine you have an overbearing, vocal wife at home reading this shit all day and nagging when she sees you.
Really? Really?
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Also, you have to pretend you’re horny.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger’s wife wanted out of Edmonton. Guess who got their wish.
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yeah, and Pronger wanted to stay!
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What a bitch she must be! And I bet she sucks at cooking.
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by rift valley on Feb 26, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I read that too fast and thought it said something else.
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Well, now I’m intrigued.
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oh baby, oh baby
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by rift valley on Feb 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Conversely, the Capitals are under a lot of pressure as they were assumed to run away with their division this year, and are currently struggling to get into / keep themselves in the playoffs. They have the same worries about possibly being traded as the Leafs players do.
If that was the Leafs playing terrible against the Rangers, then that might be a factor, but against another struggling team trying to make the playoffs, it’s hard to see it that way.
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Of those 8, only Minnie is comparable in terms of play over the last ten games. Even then, the Leafs record is worse.
fun fact, the season is not 10 games long
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Context. Wilson suggested pressure of trade deadline was getting to the guys…thus last ten games seems like a reasonable span to compare…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
NTC question. Does the player submit this at the beginning of the season or does a GM request the player to give their 8 or 12 agreeable teams effectively altering him he is trade bait?
Depends on each individual clause
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by leafer1984 on Feb 26, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Leafs have the worst record in the league over the last 10 GP
2-7-1.
Minnesota is #2 (or 29 depending on how you look at it) with 2-6-2. /Sigh
Our competition:
Florida 4-5-1
Ottawa 5-3-2
Winterpeg 6-2-2
Washington 4-5-1
Buffalo 5-3-2 (3 points back same number of GP)
TB 4-5-1 (5 points back, they have a game in hand).
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by Frag on Feb 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Most underrated movie ever
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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Brilliant flick.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I was surprised that it was directed by Joel Schumacher, director of the infamous Batman & Robin. Very good flick, Falling Down that is.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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Looks like Bishopto Ottawa for a pick. Alert didnt say what round though
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Before trading G Ben Bishop to OTT for a 2013 2nd rd pick, STL signed him to a one-year, one-way contract.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
And so goes any chance of wresting Halak away from the Blues…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Say what you will about Ottawa at least they are taking chances. Some work out better than others but they are taking their shots.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck Ottawa
But yeah, at least they appear to be taking steps to shore up a problem.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
We have some goaltending potential in our system, it’s the ones that can already play hockey at an NHL level that we’re lacking. That’s not a problem we can really fix right away by trading away a draft pick
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Which is why we need to find a stop gap goalie capable of throwing out a s% in excess of .915 with some experience to boot. Not suggesting we trade picks or follow the Ottawa route. But if a deal could be done to meet this need without damaging the future in other areas, then by all means…oh, and Bishop does not meet that criteria…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
The only one really available is Nabokov and the Islanders are going to want a shit load more than I want to pay for him. We need to do something though, that much is clear
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
But Burke is Burke. Any man who can trade Brett Lebda for real live human people who can also play hockey, should be able to manage something. Whether now, or in the off-season, I have faith.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I actually miss Giguere right now.
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. Of course, he would have broken his groin playing for Toronto an posted an.880…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
If a trade doesn’t happen for the leafs, does scriven and his blah .904 get another look. And waive/conditioning stint one of the goalies
I don’t want to see Scrivens back up here this year
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
When was there ever any chance of that happening in the first place?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhere between the third beer and second bowl…a man can dream can’t he?
by 300 Stitches on Feb 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
So our chances went from zero to zero?
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
One-way? Oh Lehner must be pissed.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
he should be pissed at his own mediocre play, without it the sens wouldnt even have looked at Bishop
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I heard on Ottawa radio some people think HE is playing poorly because he was mad he wasn’t getting a shot with the big club. Yeah, that makes total sense guys.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
"Is a goalie the kid you want? Cause that’s the kid we’re taking." – Bryan Murray, into Brian Burke’s voicemail just now. #TradeCentre
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Watching the Carling Cup final. Cardiff City has a player named Gunnarsson.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
There is a Kessel playing for Western Michigan.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Its a good thing the Leafs pissed away their easy schedule in February so we can cruise through the nightmare of march!
Bye bye playoffs, it was nice thinking we might finally have you this year.
Dat rebuild
we’re not allowed to have nice things.
Charter member - Grabbo Lover's Union, Local 84
by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Stand pat
And I say that not because I think we’ll make the playoffs (we might) or because we’re actually a top team getting bad luck (we’re not) but I’m not in favour of the panic move to bring in a blockbuster superstar a la Rick Nash.
If we can get picks/prospects for some secondary guys not in the long term plans then OK. But I’m kind of in favour of playing out the stretch and seeing what happens.
As much as the team hasn’t looked good for several weeks, the simple fact is that if we were lucky enough to have elite goaltending all that would be masked and we’d be sitting here wondering if we could catch Boston for the division lead.
We’re not getting a goaltending saviour in a trade and that’s the biggest thing we need. So stand pat.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
With elite goaltending we are easily tied or ahead of Boston.
Superstars aren’t available all the time so when the opportunity arises you at least have to inquire.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
and you can bet your ass Burke has inquired about every superstar or good player that has hit the market and several dozen that havent
just because no one has traded one to him doesnt mean he isnt looking
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
fine
But at his age and salary point I don’t get why we’re moving the farm for Nash. He’s a better goal-scorer than Kessel? OK maybe.
If he can be acquired for flotsam off the roster then I’m game but i dont see how adding Rick Nash, even for an entire season at the expense of lets say Gardiner, our 1st, a 3rd liner and a prospect makes this team better.
We need a goalie, it’s a simple as that. We can have all the long-winded discussions we want about what’s wrong with the PK, should we fire Wilson, what is Grabovski worth but at the end of the day none of that matters if we had a goalie who could put up a .920 from start to finish for an entire season.
And we’re not getting that guy in a trade on deadline day so hence — stand pat.
Is it too early to drink yet?
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
If Gardiner, a 1st, a roster player and prospect were offered by Burke Nash would already be a Leaf.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind, it’s on Sportsnet ONE at 4:00 EST.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
So...
Plekanec just agreed ti waive his NTC
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I’d take him on the Leafs
RE-SIGN GRABBO
by Chris Stoikoff on Feb 26, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
me too
But i just feel a little bit better about the Leafs when i see the downward spiral the Habs are still in. the only sad thing is that they get a lottery pick out of their shitstorm
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Plekanec is at best of comparable skill and talent to Grabovski. And he’s already making $5M. So if it costs any sort of asset to acquire — pass.
I’d rather give the cash to Grabbo and save whatever pick/prospect we’d have to give up for him.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
Plekanec is also a 70ish point player on a good team, and signed at 5 mill for the next 3 years
if grabbo will take 5-5.5 for 3 years? sure
but he wont, assets in for grabbo, assets out for Plekanec
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Plekanec agent just put out the fire. Said he isn’t willing to leave Montreal, hasn’t been approached to waive NTC. Oh well…
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't understand...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/trades/2012/02/25/leafs_armstrong_teams_interested/
Popped a Colboner - Certified Joe Colborne Fanboy
I'm telling you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie)
Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni
Twitter me this.
Welcome home Chaim Weisswasser!
by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions
his bags are packed, I’ll keep the future considerations in my garage until Burke wants em
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
really, the only way this makes sense is if a team has another bad contract they want to off load but it is in a position that they have a glut of
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Army and Grabbo to Vancouver for Cory Schneider and a contract dump. Anyone take that?
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
Popped a Colboner - Certified Joe Colborne Fanboy
I'm telling you I was the King of Spain (now I eat humble pie)
Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni
Twitter me this.
Welcome home Chaim Weisswasser!
by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
they dont need grabbo, and the only dump they really have is Ballard, who is on LTIR
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
My buddy told me he heard there was interest in Army. I laughed at the time.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Fans overvalue players they like and undervalue players they dislike.
We’d be lucky to get a second round pick for Beauchemin
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Also, he has a goal now. His value must have skyrocketed!
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ya from a fifth to a fourth if we’re lucky
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He’s actually ideal for a contending team looking to add a little sandpaper on their 3rd or 4th line. His cap hit blows, but there’s only 25% of it left this season so it’s a little more palatable. Although I guess he has another year left after this one? If a team feels like they have 2 or 3 other players overplaying their contracts, maybe they figure they can afford to have one underplaying.
That's "Da-ooo". Oh, and I tweet now too @dannyd1976.
c’mooooon 4th round pick!
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I wanna know.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
bidding war, Burke is gunning for that 3rd rounder
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
why did you link that? I was just starting to get into a good mood with the possibility of the Leafs moving armstrong
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
the scene where Arnie goes postal in commando is on tv, that helped too
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
fuckin’ love Commando
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when I promised to kill you last? I lied
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t disturb my friend – he’s dead tired.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
give them 1/2 a gravol and turn on the golf.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
MarioKart solves all the problems.
Charter member - Grabbo Lover's Union, Local 84
by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Kings, Canucks, Sharks… the Kings are the only of those three who would need to take salary back if they don’t make any other moves before the deadline.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
“Im not going to look gifthorse in the face! The fans will be cheering in the streets!”
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Armstrong for Pavelski, BOOM!
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Awwwww
Army ain’t that bad. He does some good stuff, it’s just that scoring isn’t so much a part of it anymore.
I know people wanna hate on him, but lookie, last 8 games he’s been back, during Leafs worst stretch, he’s only a -2. Better than most Leaf forwards. And sure, 2 points ain’t a lot. But. The team loves him.
We wish you well, Army.
Bye.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Army ain’t that bad. He does some good stuff, it’s just that scoring isn’t so much a part of it anymore
I agree. This season he’s been really good at giving the puck away, being out of position, making half-assed weak hits and being too slow to effectively forecheck.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
he’s only a -2.
playing 10 minutes a night on the 4th line and being scratched nearly every other game.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Jesus, Leaf fans are hardcore.
I said…. WE WISH YOU WELL, ARMY. BYE.
I can hear Skinny’s eulogy when Kessel’s eventually traded. “Screw you, non-cross-checking punk. Never got us a Cup, didja? Hope you have a great life. With that one nut. Love, Skinny.”
Jeez Louise, let it gooooooo, man.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
“Letting things go” doesn’t really happen around here. In fact, people come here specifically as an outlet when they can’t let something go.
Remember that season when we didn't have a disastrous soul-crushing 10-game stretch? Yeah me neither. tweet tweet @dannyd1976.
by daoust on Feb 26, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
shuuuut uppa your face
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Rec’d for truthfulness
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
truthiness?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
truthiness.
Charter member - Grabbo Lover's Union, Local 84
by Sergei Puckizin on Feb 26, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
/BradRichards
/SteveBernier
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 27, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
Dear Colby,
Thanks for being an overpaid shitty player. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, it’ll probably break your ankle.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
In real life...
… you’re actually PK Subban, aren’t you?
That or Henry David Thoreau.
Thing is, you got more poise than Thoreau, so I’m still thinking… Subban.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Little known fact
Buzz Aldrin was actually first to set foot on the moon.
Had a stroll, a quick smoke, took a dump behind the lunar lander.
Dude was too humble though. Armstrong wanted it, so he let him think that he was first.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
But I saw a wire on said dump. Its all a lie! Lies I say!
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 1:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
One thing I hate about the cap is that every player is seen filtered through a cap hit. If Colby were making 1.5 instead of 3, say, no one would have a problem with him. Or take Grabbo:
“Wow, Grabbo is really good, he drives the play, he puts up points, he isn’t a liability in his own zone. He’s a keeper!”
new contract rumoured to be half a million more than we deem acceptable
“Wow, totally not worth it, I’ll pack his bags myself.”
I hate judging a player by money.
by MrSmithy on Feb 26, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you overpay 20 players by a seemingly insignificant half million each that’s $10million real dollars you aren’t spending on a superstar. If there was no cap they could pay everyone $10mill a season and I wouldn’t be bothered. In a cap world there are real consequences in overpaying players on their deals or having them under perform.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Botta:
Such a shame the job of Maple Leafs coach goes to Ron Wilson, who blames goalies and writers. Only bad coaches do that.
John shannon
For all those asking, there is no chance that Brian Burke is even contemplating a change behind the bench.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Brutal. I would accept firing Wilson and standing pat as a good trade deadline.
Isn’t it better to change coaches (and systems) from a position of strength rather than trade players from a position of desperate weakness?
Overtime loss: The new black.
As much as I wouldn’t be sad to see Ronnie go, firing him won’t actually accomplish anything of significance. A new voice behind the bench won’t magically up the talent level of the defensemen or goaltenders. Wilson will be saved for sacrificial lamb status at the end of the season once the Leafs miss and people need a goat to pin the failed season upon.
by BeyondBeleaf on Feb 26, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
While firing him may not actually accomplish anything of significance, it might. But surely you’d agree there’s a difference between “sacrificial lamb/goat” and “holding someone accountable for doing a bad job.”
Overtime loss: The new black.
I keep saying this, but....
you really can’t spew the amount of tough talk that Burke and Wilson have without sooner or later having to throw yourself on your sword.
It’s been 4 years now? Four teams. Complete overhaul’s of personnel. Wilson cannot get this team motivated at key moments. He cannot get them to execute. Blame the players all we want, he’s had 60 or 70 or 80 to choose from.
I agree that some of the players have to take responsibility as well. Thing is…. we’ve HELD them accountable. And benched them, parked them in the press box, demoted them, traded them and waived them.
These results are unacceptable. Wilson needs to go.
And if things don’t change, then by Christmas next year, Burke has to follow.
I don;t think this is being hard-ass. Seems to me this is part of what “being accountable” is all about.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson is safe until the end of the year. I don’t think he is back next year though.
I’m going to be disappointed if Burke isn’t making a play for Ott, the guy doesn’t have numbers but he plays an edgy hard nosed style and can put guys off their game. The leafs need someone like that since they don’t seem to like to hit guys anymore.
by SanityNoMore on Feb 26, 2012 1:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I would be very upset if we got Ott. He is a health Colby Armstrong. Where do you put him in the lineup?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Don’t really care. The last while the games have lacked intensity. Watching last night it was like they rolled over and died. At least Ott would stir some shit up and have the potential for entertainment.
by SanityNoMore on Feb 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Rather just wait for Brad Ross.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
yes, lets get a guy we dont need, to cap up cap room and assets just so we can watch him run around and smash into things
great plan
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
smashee smashee….. mmmmmmmmm
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Give Bozak to Dallas. Put Ott between Kessel and Lupul.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Dallas do that?
Lebda still gives me nightmares
Bees! Bees! Bees in the car! Bees everywhere! God, they're huge and they're sting crazy! They're ripping my flesh off! Run away, your firearms are useless against them!
why would the Leafs do that? Ott is older, more expensive and not as good offensivly
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
because Burke probably likes Ott. It’s just a dumb trade
Lebda still gives me nightmares
Bees! Bees! Bees in the car! Bees everywhere! God, they're huge and they're sting crazy! They're ripping my flesh off! Run away, your firearms are useless against them!
Burke likes a lot of players, doesn’t mean he’d do stupid trades to land them
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Bozak’s complete drudgery in the defensive zone and his inability to create offense on his own are what’s keeping this team afloat right now.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
and the older more expensive and shitter Ott would fix that right up
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty similar rate of scoring (P/60) and Ott plays with worse linemates. He’s also much better defensively.
Besides, since we’re trading the whole roster for 2nd round draft picks and tanking next year, we won’t need to worry much about his salary.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Owuya is doing alright down in the A.
He has a .924 over 16 games. what does this translate to in the NHL?
I am not saying he is ready or should be called up. No need to throw him to the wolves.
I am just looking for any good news.
Also is there any in depth resource for AHL stats?
At least it's not Lebda.
Ben Bishop: Greatest Goalie Prospect of All-time has a .928 and a 2.26 GAA in 38 games.
Owuya has a .924 and a 2.15 in 16 games. He can’t be that bad according to all the Bishop lovers.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Ben Bishop’s career numbers underwhelmed the hell out of me. Scrivens’ aren’t really far off (albeit smaller sample size)
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bishop is also 25, Scrivens is 24 IIRC.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Scrivens is 2 months older than Bishop. September vs November of ’86. Both are 25.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Clearly, they’ve both peaked.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Holy Shmokes!
Just saw Ben Bishop is 6’7
If his nickname isn’t “Big Ben”, I will kick a kitten
by ThirdLineCentre on Feb 26, 2012 2:12 PM EST via Android app reply actions
E turns you into felt?
Y'all heard about me, you just didn't know it was me
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
did you guys read
i find this all a little hilarious, given that I’ve been making this basic point for 3 seasons.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions
Tomorrow
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
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by leafsportugal on Feb 26, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
presumably news still goes over rocks, just not under them.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
24 hours from now.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
And it’s quiet,maybe too quiet…
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 26, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhere, far far away, in a dark gloomy room is Brian Burke, laughing maniacally at his own evil plan.
Lebda still gives me nightmares
Bees! Bees! Bees in the car! Bees everywhere! God, they're huge and they're sting crazy! They're ripping my flesh off! Run away, your firearms are useless against them!
Prospect Time
After last night’s performance, I’m taking solace in watching Brad Ross tonight and hopefully reporting that he is a solid player who is strong on his skates. He will be matched up against top prospect Ryan Murray. The reason I say this is because by the time Ross is ready to play in the NHL, The Leafs might be ready to play into May.
I do take solace in us having some decent prospects coming up.
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I havent seen a Leafs’ prospects in the CHL post in quite some time. When was the most recent? Maybe i just missed it.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else’s Sportsnet ONE tennis match look like it’s in slow-mo? The video feed seems weird to me.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. Also, some of Raonic’s serves are being skipped. Fuckin’ aces. haha
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
i think they just have bad equipment
i remember watching the highlights on TSN and o’toole was joking it was shot on a Zune.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 26, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Have the leafs bottomed yet?
7-1-1 since the start of slump in the back to back WPG game .
Not sure why the team play and goaltending headed south.
So over the course of 3/4 of a season we’ve basically been a 90-92 point team (ie. a playoff bubble team) and over the course of an unusually bad week we’ve fallen below that pace. So we’re exactly where almost everyone expected we’d be – on the bubble.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except this bubble team got spotted a ton of points in a hot streak to start the season. That raises expectations.
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We had a very good October and January. Terrible February and bad November.
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I think we found the problem. November is when points count.
by schennsational on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
It shouldn’t have. I know I was warning people not to get too excited based on a lucky winning streak. We also shouldn’t get too discouraged by a similar losing streak.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unusually bad month, not week.
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Regarding calls for Ron Wilson’s head in TO, just chatted with Leafs GM Brian Burke. ``I’m not contemplating a coaching change,’’ Burke said
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions
Wilson is probably over for dinner.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 26, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course he’s not. Although we may all call for the firing of Ron Wilson, nothing Burke has ever said or done in the last 4 years has ever indicated that he would fire Wilson for any reason. For some strange reason Burke has decided to hitch his wagon with Wilson’s coaching, even if the team and the coach are clearly incompatible.
I would be shocked if any sports executive ever answered that question honestly.
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Seems to me most coach firings are immediately preceded by a vote of confidence from the GM.
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Honestly
If Burke had even said “I have no comment at this time.”
Everyone would read it as “He is about to be fired”.
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I totally concur with this, I hated when people would jump on Wilson after a bad game over the last few years, but at this moment I’m over it.
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Wilson isnt sending a good message to his players. He just insults them usually and expects that to motivate them. Send a big message to the team by firing Wilson.
Dat rebuild
now that is just crap
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
there you go, wilsoning again!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
robocop will save us
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Holy shit.
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I know, I can’t believe sting used to dress like that either
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus I didn’t even realize that was Sting
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 26, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was so jealous of everyone who had Zubaz. In retrospect, I’m kind of relieved that I never did. At least i have my dignity.
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by furcifer on Feb 26, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Send RoboCop over to Wilson’s house
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so who do we get as the new coach? I would like to see Eakins get a shot…but will BB want to disrupt the roll the Marlies are on? Does BB go back to the well one more time with Randy Carlisle?
by wayne scarlett on Feb 26, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Stoicism
That’s the philosophy the Leafs (and their fans) need. Seems like they get too high and too low. For example,
there is no statistical correlation between who scored the last goal and who is going to score the next one, but if a team gets down after every goal (good or bad) against, and change their play, then bad things will happen. They need to be more apathetic, in the original sense of the word. Play with less emotion, and more efficiency. Just do the job, don’t overreact to good or bad events. Sort of like Gustavson’s goaltending is a metaphor for the whole team. Don’t let the 10-bellers get you too excited, and don’t let the big whiffs get you too down.
I don’t think this is just a Leafs problem, either, but I do think the best hockey teams are the most mature emotionally. Look at how consistent the Red Wings have been in the last decade. I think it has a lot to do with Babcock, but also the emotional tenor of the players. I have no idea what the players on the Leafs are like, but based on the results, I’d say they are a little immature in that respect. They are young, though, so, no problem. I see no need to blow the team up (as suggested in the main article above). Guys like Armstrong, Connelly and Lombardi can be very good for this team (assuming that because they are older they act a certain way, I don’t know if it is true) even if, and especially when, they are NOT producing. Yes, that amounts to an intangible, and I’m sorry there is no stat for it, and I understand that it is difficult to justify salaries based on those things, especially when it seems like it is are not working right now. Teams go through slumps. Is this one somehow different from those that other teams have gone through this season?
Keep calm. Carry on. This is not our season for the Cup. I think the players we have are good, but need to grow together. We need a few more pieces, sure, but unloading those vets will leave the forwards and D in the same situation as the goalies: without mentors who have perspective on the ups and downs of life in the NHL.
I think you give Wilson the rest of the season (because a lot of that is on him: instilling the right attitude), and if they make the playoffs, you see how that goes. But I would also love to see Eakins in there next fall, regardless of what happens now. I think he’s got the right philosophy for a young group like this.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 26, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
If we finish in 10th like last year, that’s not growth. It’s burning years off good young players with a crappy team.
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
last year would have been a lot more satisfying if the Leafs had gotten Hamilton out of it hmmm?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why you send Wilson packing if that happens. He’s the common factor: the players have changed, but the result hasn’t. Not saying you blame him entirely. But I think this team as constituted is better than the last couple of years.
As for burning years off good young players…life goes on. You get a year older, you get a year better, and yeah, maybe you cost more. But selling everyone off when they hit 25 is not a good strategy either (not saying that’s what you are saying, but there needs to be a balance). Also, some of the contracts the Leafs have will be done when it is time to re-sign the younger ones, and hopefully the next cycle will be more economical with the “utility” forwards. In the meantime, it’s not actually hurting us, I don’t think. Have we missed out on anyone for financial concerns that would have helped us win the Cup this year?
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 26, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
@Jared…the kid goalie that the sens just plundered from St. Louis is the same goalie I was talking about earlier in the week…Ben Bishop is much more than a prospect…he is regarded as the best goalie outside the NHL…now we have to watch him play for the enemy
Reply fail. But anyway, the last time the “best goalie outside the NHL” was brought to Toronto… well that ended spectacularly, didn’t it?
I wasn’t replying to Jared…from anything posted today…it was just placed here…I went to the bottom of the page
by wayne scarlett on Feb 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
he’s had one good season in the AHL, the other 4 years have ranged from OK to holy shit that is atrocious
he has 7 NHL games in which he threw up an 899
you know who has been rated as the best goalies out side the NHL?
Owuya, Gustavsson, Rynnas, Hell even Scrivens got some nods
ben Bishop is JUST a prospect, and one with a small sample size of good play
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
then why is everybody and his uncle talking up this kid on NBC and elsewhere as the second coming of Ken Dryden?….I haven’t seen the kid play,or seen any video…
by wayne scarlett on Feb 26, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
because he is huge and was a UFA having a good season, every year there is someone not in the NHL who can be had by “anyone” who gets hyped like crazy
doesnt mean sweet fuck all until they produce results
would it have been nice if the leafs could have snagged him? sure, but in all likelyhood he probably wont turn out, there is a reason he was let go for so little by the Blues
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the trade deadline, he’s the only guy traded so it’s going to get talked about. Also a strange contractual situation that set-up the deal (he was going to be a UFA).
As for evaluation, I’ve only seen his boxcars. Have no idea if he’s the next Patrick Roy or the next Patrick Lalime.
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he’s probably the next Jussi Rynnas
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been considered a decent goalie prospect for a while (even when he was putting up poor seasons in Peoria…he must have good mechanics that attracted scouts/analysts eyes). He hasn’t been able to put it together in the AHL however until this year.
As well if I understand it correctly he was going to be a special type of UFA a group 6 UFA, but I have no idea what that actually means.
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If a player who would otherwise be an RFA doesn’t get a shot in the NHL he becomes a UFA, essentially.
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Thank you for explaining that. Is there any difference between being that kind of UFA and a regular UFA? Like does St. Louis have ot be compensated or something?
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I don’t think so. It’s a rule that means you can’t just stash a guy in the AHL his whole career; he needs to get a shot or someone else can have him.
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They did the same with Gustavsson, Rynnas, Brunnstrom, Da Costa, Bozak, Butler, and The Norwegian Hobbit.
How have those guys all turned out?
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I am wholey unimpressed with Bishop.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
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East by point percentage
Rank/Team/Games Remaining/Point Percentage
1 NY Rangers 22 1.40
2 Boston 22 1.28
3 Florida 22 1.13
4 Pittsburgh 20 1.24
5 Philadelphia 21 1.23
6 New Jersey 21 1.21
7 Ottawa 19 1.14
8 Washington 20 1.08
9 Winnipeg 18 1.06
10 Toronto 20 1.05
11 Tampa Bay 20 1.00
12 Buffalo 20 1.00
13 NY Islanders 21 0.98
14 Carolina 20 0.95
15 Montreal 20 0.94
By games above (or below) 0.500
1 NY Rangers 22 24
2 Boston 22 17
3 Florida 22 8
4 Pittsburgh 20 15
5 Philadelphia 21 14
6 New Jersey 21 13
7 Ottawa 19 9
8 Washington 20 5
9 Winnipeg 18 4
10 Toronto 20 3
11 Tampa Bay 20 0
12 Buffalo 20 0
13 NY Islanders 21 -1
14 Carolina 20 -3
15 Montreal 20 -4
(The order is exactly the same, just depends on how you like to look at it)
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by Shield on Feb 26, 2012 5:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Fun fact, Ottawa traded Vermette to Columbus for Pascal Leclaire and a 2nd round pick that they used for Robin Lehner… today they traded away another 2nd round pick to get another unproven goalie.
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And an Ottawa 2nd rounder was just used to acquire Vermette.
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Yeah, which was mentioned in the Tweet I posted in the comment I was just replying to.
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Normally that would be funny, but this is not good for the Leafs.
by Leaf in Habland on Feb 26, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well on their way to a top 3 pick. Ottawa, Winnipeg in the playoffs, Montreal with a high pick, and we end up 9th or 10th? A depressing and pretty likely scenario…
That makes 2 games in a row the Panthers come back from being down 2-0 to win 3-2….sigh
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
that guy Burke traded for Caputi has a 5 point night running for the Marlies right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 6:33 PM EST reply actions
Amazing what a change of scenery can do for some people.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
looks like they both needed a change of scenery,
by Goosemonster on Feb 26, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
For the life of me I cannot remember who that kid is. But good for him!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
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NYR wasn’t willing to pay price established for Nash prior to today + today CBJ asked for more than they were originally after.#tradecentre
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Howson is trying to get into a game of chicken with Nash. Which is interesting, because Howson might not be in charge of the team long enough to finish it.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, wouldnt surprise me if there was a team not on Nash’s list that has the best offer and Howson is trying to force Nash’s hand
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I could see it being Edmonton, because they clearly need more forwards. And who wants to go to Edmonton?
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my bet is Nashville, they have the depth in prospects and the need to push for a deep playoff run, they make it to the 2nd round and it is probably easier to keep Suter and Weber, or it at least makes losing suter more palatable for the fans/owners
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
If the Preds could acquire him without affecting their roster too much they would be a scary team to face in the playoiffs.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
How could they financially afford it?
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they don’t seem too worried with that Rinne contract, this could be their “big break” gotta make a splash
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Howson doesn’t understand how haggling works. If a team says no to a price you don’t then raise it.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
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San Jose Sharks head coach Todd McLellan leaves game at Minnesota after being hit in the head with a stick.
When did Radulov get traded to the Sharks?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 26, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions
would you trade kessel?
i know he is by far the best player the leafs had and they gave a boatload to get him, but scoring wingers have recently had a peak between 23-25 years old, and kessel would be hitting his peak right now.
Lets say the leafs were offered a package of something like :
(from vancouver):
Schneider
Cody hodgson
nicklaus jansen
1st round pick 2012
2nd round pick 2012
(from Toronto)
Phil kessel
Would you guys take this deal? in my opinion it would benefit both teams
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by rift valley on Feb 27, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah bad proposal
but after going to my first game of the year saturday and then watching the leafs get embaressed something drastic needs to be done. Wilson needs to be fired
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