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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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PrintNow that the Superbowl is past us, we can all stop pretending to like the 4 hour light beer commercial called football and focus 100% on hockey. Speaking of which, there's a game tonight. Cool beans. Here are some links to tide you over until then.
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Hell yes!
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
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by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 7:04 AM EST reply actions 11 recs
I would go postal if the Leafs made a Stanley Cup final and then played as badly as the Patriots did last night.
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by article1 on Feb 6, 2012 7:05 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
they played pretty lousy against the Ravens to get to the SB too. Tom Brady’s probably still the QB I pick if the game is on the line, but I think their luck just ran out and the Giants played well enough to win.
A healthy Gronk probably changes that game, too.
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Two dropped passes in a row and the safety killed them. Brady is still a great quarterback.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 6, 2012 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brady’s great, but I would definitely take Drew Brees 10 times out of 10 if the game’s on the line.
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If I was down 20 at halftime, I’d pick a Stafford – Megatron combo
by m3smth on Feb 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d for Lions love. Detroit sports have captured a soft spot in my heart (except for hockey).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
Wes Welker catches that pass, the Patriots get a first down , another 2 1/2 minutes off the clock (at least), and probably a field goal (at least). Thas pretty much the game their.
Then again, Assante Samuels dropped a routine interception and a perfect season 4 years ago.
Meh, lots of little things could go either way.
I think Deion Branch’s catch at the end was in bounds, he drags both feet. It wasn’t even reviewed. That puts the Pats 15 yards closer for the hail mary OR
Had they not taken the safety it would have put them in field goal range down 2 points.
If the defense didn’t blow it with 12 men on the field that’s a pick and takes away a New York TD, OR
If Brady doesn’t throw the bizarre pick at Gronk (which he also did against Baltimore) OR…
The Patriots didn’t execute very well. I think the Giants had a lot of stuff go their way (three recovered fumbles), but the Pats didn’t play well enough.
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If the Patriots didn’t lose they would’ve won
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats not what he’s saying.
I remember when the Saints beat the Vikings 3 years ago. The Vikings had the ball on the goal line twice and came away with no points because of fumbles.
Saints win coin toss in OT, kick field goal, go to Superbowl.
Raven’s miss the field goal, Pats go to Superbowl.
49ers somehow flub a punt return in OT, Giants kick field goal, go to Superbowl.
Such is football. It’s all about execution; the team that makes the least mistakes usually wins. I just don’t have the psyche for that.
If you take out the first 13 games of the season…
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But on the flipside, the Patriots had a shot at a last second TD which never would have happened if Brady didn’t convert on a 4th and 16. That also could’ve been game for the Giants right there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Habs Eye On the Prize has an interview with Jay Baruchel up about Goon.
if you’re interested you should probably watch it and then go and comment on it since no one there will.
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by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 7:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you’re not banned.
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by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe thats why comments aren’t common, too heavy with the ban hammer
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by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leafs play 4 games in 6 nights this week starting with the first game of a back to back tonight. I hope Wilson isn’t planning on using Reimer for every game as I don’t want him getting burned out. I’d like to see Gus start tonight against an easier Western team and have Reimer start in Winterpeg to see if he can bounce back from the last game he played there in front of his friends and family.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 8:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would actually roll Reimer tonight to let him get his 3rd straight shutout, then play Gustavson on the B2B
by Ben Schnell on Feb 6, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the way to roll but with the game in Winnipeg you just know Ron will start Reimer in front of his family
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Could depend how much work he gets tonight
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by PPP on Feb 6, 2012 8:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Winnipeg fans boo anyone who dares to even THINK about trying to do something that doesn’t lead to a JETS win. I know lots of teams have homer media, but seriously, check out what’s coming out of Winnipeg this season.
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They’re excited to have a team but they have to remember their team is the fucking Atlanta Thrashers
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by BlindSight on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The one thing I do envy is their home crowd. The atmosphere there is brilliant. It’s a real throwback in the way Chicago and Philly were places were the crowd noise gives the team a real boost. If they ever became a powerhouse it would be a nightmare to play there.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs should really just change their home arena to ScotiaBank place. Sounds a lot better than the ACC
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by BlindSight on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i havent been to an ACC game since pre-lockout, but Scotiabank is great for Leafs-Sens. The Go Leafs Go cheer always starts first, and its always the loudest. It’s a nice arena too.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
oh god yes, but at least there’s a convenient bus that takes you right there. On the way back its full of drunken fans, and when the Leafs win its nuts.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
The shuttle is helpful, but it still takes forever on the way back, and kills momentum if you’re planning to go out after. You basically need to start your night over
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by BetterThanBester on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I saw a guy jump out at one stop, piss, and jump back on while people were still getting off….it was close though.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The shuttle bus sucks unless being packed like sardines with drunken undergrads is your idea of a good time.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
it’s not that bad, at least not in my experience. I just wait for a bus I can grab a seat on and chill.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Creepy groping for everyone
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doesn’t the bus leave super early also? you barely have time to go to the washroom after the game ends
not really, there’s usually 6-10 buses there right when you get there and a few more arrive after. Besides, there’s no point in trying to go to the washroom before you leave at the end, it’s jam packed. You got to time it right.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
At the game on Saturday Leafs jerseys way outnumbered Sens jerseys. Almost the entire 300 section was Leafs fans. Crowd wasn’t even 50/50, I’d say it was at least 2/3 Leafs fans.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much the norm for the past year and a half I’d say. Last year in March when we still had a shot at the playoffs I went to the game we won 4-2 agaisnt the Sens…..easily 2/3 Leafs fans, the atmosphere was insane!
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty convinced this is why other teams hate us so much.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
it helps having a small stadium, but it’s true their fans are passionate. I know people here disagree, but I do think having so many corporate owners of platinum and gold seats (right by the ice) hurts the atmosphere at the ACC. So many times I see douches on their blackberries during gameplay instead of actually paying attention.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. I’ve only sat in the lower bowl twice, both times the tickets were corporate give-aways, and both times there were more than a few people sitting around me, talking business instead of paying attention to the game.
I understand the desire for lots of corporate sponsors, but it kills the atmosphere.
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Does it give them a boost? What’s their home record lately?
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Wow, looking at their schedule is nuts. From game 23 to game 38 they played on the road twice.
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Did the NHL do the schedule before or after the announcement?
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before-ish I believe. I think they released a schedule for both Atlanta and Winnipeg.
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It would make sense that they play a lot at home and then a bunch on the road due to proximity
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the Jets are catastrophically bad on the road this year are they not?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Further proof of their home ice advantage.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Winnipegs home ice advantage is other teams having to spend the day in fucking Winnipeg before the game. That would throw even the most professional players off their game.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah maybe players have been playing in winterpeg with small stab wounds without disclosing it…makes sense for the city.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
9-16-4 on the road (62 point pace)
15-8-2 at home (105 point pace)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Most teams are worse on the road, but that’s a big gap. For reference:
Detroit: 20-2-1 Home, 15-14-1 Away
Leafs: 15-8-4 Home, 12-11-2 Away
St Louis: 22-3-4 Home, 8-11-3 Away
Damn, Detroit is insane at home.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
they had a bit of a rocky start with both datsyuk and zetterberg nursing injuries, but they have been just on for the past 3 months
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
the home town crowd is about as influential on the team as the colour of the gatorade.
they’ve been getting favourable reffing and scheduling all year
fuck the jets
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I think there’s some compelling data that the home crowd influences the refs a lot, so
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well yeah, the refs sure, I’ll buy that. especially after the disgusting showing the officials pulled out last the leafs were in the peg, especially the clear
/play happens, incidental contact or something
//2 seconds go by
“BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”
///another few seconds
////ref’s hand goes up, leafs get penalty
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, exactly. That happened constantly in the last Leafs – Jets game.
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seriously, that was fucking atrocious
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I was watching the game with my girlfriend that day and after the Franson holding and Crabb charging penalty, I couldn’t take it anymore. I’d never seen such terrible reffing before in a game.
It helped that we left to go get some drinks with friends but ugh…
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I wonder if some refs are more susceptible to it than others, eg. older refs may not be influenced as much as younger ones. I doubt there’s stats that specific, though.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
If you have the time you should be able to pull game sheets and yank all the data out.
Home/Road penalty splits per ref and then we could sort by age.
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Typical Montreal
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by leafer1984 on Feb 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the only hands that go up when they Boo in Montreal are the goalies
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
http://www.economist.com/node/18330455
What the evidence does show, however, is that referees favour home teams in judgment calls, particularly those that happen at a crucial stage in a game.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my origional statement was directed towards the players more than anything
“hey! those guys are cheering EVEN HARDER! I AM GOING TO SUDDENLY BECOME MORE TALENTED”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think that has much of an effect. I’d think the potential multi-million dollar raise for being good is a better motivator than people clapping.
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I think home-ice-advantage simply comes down to having last change and perhaps a little to having a less tiring day without travel.
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Last change is important in hockey, sure.
So home team advantage is likely a combination of last change and referee bias based on fans booing.
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I’d add knowing the arena as a very small factor. Some arenas have weird bounces and angles, and home teams can take advantage at times.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, there’s always the ‘lively boards’ factor at places like Detroit…..except everyone knows about them and they rarely come into play.
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The ice at MSG can sometimes be terrible. I remember one game back in 2007 where they played the day after the circus was there, and the puck was like a tennis ball on there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
not so much an issue as it used to be, everything is standardized, and most of the buildings are new, this was more an issue back when every home rink was build by some random contractor who usually built actual barns
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I was thinking of some the really old arenas, which there are a lot less of these days.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
apparently ushers could kick the boards in the corners at the Aud to make the puck take a funny hop.
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That seems like a good way to break a foot.
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As long as it was an opposition foot!
It was the 70s. Blatant cheating was legal.
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Have you ever been hit in the foot with a shot in men’s league? No way am I, with a dress shoe or sneaker on, putting my foot up to some rickety board to deflect a shot.
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one time I was playing pick up with some guys from work, one guy had played for the London Knights, but never made the cut to the NHL, I was just cutting across the net and he took a one timer that hit me right on the toe of the skate, it felt like i had been stabbed in the toe
I dont know how NHLers block guys who have “bad” nhl slap shots let alone the Fransons or Charas of the world
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
a mix of adrenaline, crazyness and desperation?
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
You know the zamboni doors? What the guy would do is when the puck was ringed around the boards he’d kick one of the doors creating a little bump so the puck would hit it and pop out infront of the net. At least thats what Marek mentioned on the MvsW podcast a couple weeks back
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Like the Islanders game when Grabbo fired it off the glass and it ricocheted right into the slot for the tying goal
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think the whole “having to put your stick down on a face-off first” has some effect. Anybody have any stats as to what faceoff% looks like for home vs away?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’d think the potential multi-million dollar raise for being good is a better motivator than people clapping.
I don’t think these guys really associate day in day out play with their next contract. Like the Caps said about playing in Florida: sometimes it’s harder to get amped up for a game. I imagine it’s tougher to get amped up for road games than home games.
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the last change in hockey certainly helps. it explains Kessel’s home/away splits. although, he said ‘fuck that noise’ on Saturday.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ottawa = kind of a home game anyway.
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by JP Nikota on Feb 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
someone (probably dirk hoag) did a study a few years back and found that home teams get about 52% of the penalties (and who knows how much they get away with.)
Except for Toronto. The road team gets less penalties in the ACC.
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You know I wonder if Gustavsson’s PK work in Dec/Jan is a compelling reason to start him tomorrow. If we know the Jets will be on the PP a lot…
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I would actually roll Reimer tonight to let him get his 3rd straight shutout…
Well, scratch that from ever happening now. Way to jinx it, jinxer!
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by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like to see some stats on how often a jinx actually takes place.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’d need an objective criteria as to what constitutes a jinx – is it a broadcaster saying it? A fan of the team that is actually getting it? Fans of the opposite team? When does it have to be said – during the game, before the game?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
At this point, we just don’t have sufficient data to account for all the variables.
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 6, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I said Leafs were undefeated in games I was at before I went to the game in Ottawa on Saturday, and then the Leafs won 5-0. The only possible conclusion that we can reach is that if you say something will happen, it will.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh snap
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I distinctly remember this comment, and all of the criticism you received for saying. It’s that type of ignorant backlash that leads me to believe we need to quantify what a jinx is. For the record, I’d like the jinx removed from the vernacular of the informed sports fan. (I’m with you.)
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
The only real jinx that pisses people off is the “Sh__out” jinx
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I too am worried about Wilson leaning on Reimer a bit too hard, especially since Gus hasn’t sucked this past month. Reimer did fade a bit down the stretch last year. I hope Gus gets the nod tomorrow even after we win tonight.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 6, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
That seems reactionary.
Reimer played every game down the stretch last year because Jonas had been exiled and Giguere`s groin was being held together by Scotch tape.
Gustavsson`s been a competent backup this season and the Leafs have something like 30 games in 60 days. Wilson won`t have a choice but to use both goalies.
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yeah I think its fair to assume Gus will start tonight while Reimer will get his hometown team on Tuesday. Most B2B games will be split between them as long as both play reasonably well.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don`t see the need to play Reimer in Winnipeg again when he already did so in December.
Reimer tonight. Gus tomorrow. Back to Reimer in Philly.
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Did Gus play both ends of a B2B in January? I think Wilson runs him until his first loss.
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Difference was that was right before the ASG and week off. This is the start of 6 games in 10 days.
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Exactly. We want Reimer in Philly and again vs Montreal for Sundin night. Therefor it makes more sense to play him tonight so he doesn’t have to play 3 in 5… that extra day could be huge.
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What about Reimer in for EDM and WPG and let Gus have the Philly game, Remimer is then rested in time for the Montreal game.
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Except Philly is the hardest game. As much as Sundin night means to the fans, Philly is the team we need to make sure we have Reimer for.
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Or we protect Reimer from Philly let Gus take the hard game and keep Reimer on a Roll (I assume he will beat Edm and Wpg).
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We can do whatever we want if it means we get more points now.
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Uhh this doesn’t make sense. Lets start our backup against the tougher teams and let our “better” goalie have the easy games? We’ll get more points this way?
No we want Gus vs the lesser teams as he should win those games and hope Reimer steals a game from the better teams
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Hey I wasn’t trying to say it was the right idea. I am mostly just trying to say that at this point I don’t care about the effect of our current games have IN the playoffs. I want to do whatever it takes (with the current team, not blowing development or stupid trades) to get into the playoffs. If that means selectively starting Reimer? Great. If it doesn’t? That is great too.
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Reimer hasn’t even started games against a lot of the top teams this season (e.g., NYR, PHI). Gus has already had the majority of the ‘tough’ games.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
In that case you are on team Gus for the majority of the games+ playoffs?
Bottom line is if you think Reimer is our starter in the playoffs we start Reimer for all the tough games as he’s presumably give us the best chance to win those games.
If Gus is your playoff starter than he gets those tough games.
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Yeah that makes no sense. Let’s shield our presumed starter from the teams he’s likely to face in the playoffs.
Resting him because of the way the schedule works out is one thing; hiding him from teams he would have to beat in the playoffs is another.
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I agree, but we need to make the playoffs, we have a greater chance of beating Edmonton, Winipeg and Montreal than we do of beating Philly. I think we need to play the goalie that gives us the best chance of winning against those teams which right now is Reimer. Since he can’t play all of the games (I assume), I would rest him on the day the Leafs had the least chance of winning.
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Actually I think we want Reimer against Winnipeg more than we want him against Philly.
Philly is “found points” if we squeak out a win. We’re not competing with them in the standings. If we lose a game this week it’s not only the most likely candidate it’s the best one to lose.
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Knowing this team, we’ll lose to a terrible team and somehow come out with a win in Philly.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
thats my feeling, we’ll lose to edmonton tonight
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I think its more likely (and worse for us) that we lose against Atlantapeg.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree 100%. Philly has been struggling lately and we are only 6 pts back of them. A win against Philly is a step towards a higher seed. Winnipeg is 6 points back of us AND we have 2 games in hand.
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I guess. I don’t think we catch Philly though, and I’d like to make sure Winnipeg doesn’t gain ground.
Hopefully January Gus shows up tomorrow and it won’t be an issue.
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Gustavsson likely to start in Winnipeg tomorrow.
Sounds like Reimer tonight, Gus tomorrow.
Fine by me, Reimer’s been meh against the Jets this season and Gus shut them out once. I’d rather see his hot shutout streak destroy Sam Gagner tonight.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Winnipeg: averaging 1.4375 goals for over its last 16 games. Edmonton: 2.1875. Phili: 3. Gus gets the lowest. Reimer the highest. Seems like the way to go.
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I hope so. I’m a big fan of splitting up goalies in back-to-backs, even if one has a great game the first night.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
It`s not the back-to-back that I care about as much as the fact they`re about to play 5 games in 8 days. There`s still a third of the season left and unlike last year we don`t have to go pretty much undefeated to make up ground.
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we don’t have to but we have several games against teams below us in the standings that we should be able to beat up on and get the two points (edmonton, atlantapeg, montreal). Win those three and we’re flying high in the standings and pushing teams below us.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
And dare I say it… I don’t want to run Reimer into the ground before playoff time.
Yup… gotta keep Reimer relatively fresh for the 1st round.
OK getting too far ahead of myself.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking 2nd round… but yes, too far ahead, too far ahead.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer’s played 20 games. If he finishes the regular season with 45GP he won’t have been “overworked”.
Time to run with him, the goal now is 6th place: we want Florida or Washington.
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Also I’m confident the leafs can go up against most teams in a 7 game series except Boston
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i would agree with you if it looked like our backup wasn’t capable of winning games, but based on the way Gus played most of January I’d say he gives the Leafs a chance to win most nights. We’re not forfeiting points just by sitting Reimer.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind running with him but we need to be smart about it. 4 games in 6 nights is not smart. Gus needs to play one of the b2b. Or at the very worst Philly.
However after the 3 in 4 Reimer could potentially play the next 4 after that. Montreal Sat. The b2b in Alberta next tues/wed and it would leave them with 2 days rest before Van on Saturday.
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It’s not the absolute # of games necessarily – but if he plays almost 30 games straight right before the 1st round?
I’d call that “overworking”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
just look at his drop-off in SV% last year by month.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
technically, if each month of data is a ‘sample’, then it would be unlikely that it’s only regression to the mean, unless his actual SV% is something like .890.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
He started out at something like .950 after his first ten games or something.
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oh, there’s no doubt in my mind that there was some regression. i’m just saying that in a technical sense if we’re using monthly averages as a sample, then each month he gets worse, making each previous month the ‘extreme’ sample.
it’s post hoc ergo propter hoc that it’s regression to the mean. there’s some of that there, but one can’t rule out the other factors (i.e., fatigue).
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I still wouldn’t roll with him in the back to back. I would basically be cool with playing Reimer every game but back to backs from here on out, but I really dislike goalies playing both games of back to backs.
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agreed, we have 4 games in 6 days this week, it’s a good idea to split them as best we can.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
3 in 6 for Reimer works fine for me.
especially since there won’t be much of a practice on Wednesday besides a bit of a skate around so the legs don’t tighten up too much.
Reimer will get a game tonight, Morning skate tomorrow to loosen up the hips, light skate Wednesday to loosen up the hips again. Game Thursday when legs should be back to 100% (69 hours later.. teehee 69). Then 48 hours of light skates again before playing Saturday.
Plently of time off.
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Per Jonas Siegel it’s Reimer tonight, Gustavsson tomorrow.
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Gustavsson likely
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The first official call up to the big club, as Reimer backs up Joey MacDonald in a game against the Colorado Avalanche. The call up was the result of an injury to starting goalie Vesa Toskala, sadly for Leaf fans, it was not career ending.
Ahahaha
by HACKEY17 on Feb 6, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Joey Mac is back. Played for Detroit on Saturday (or was it yesterday) and played pretty well…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Joey Joe Joe Shabadoo, uh, Jr.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
that’s the worst name ive ever heard
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wait, Joey Joe Joe!
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why am I the only person to have rec’d this great string of posts?
C’mon people!
by c_gee on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn’t figure out if it was a string of pearls… or a row of rabbit turds.
Then noticed Jared was in it.
Sudden illumination. Confusion resolved. No Rec.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember going to a game against the Canucks in Vancouver during that atrocious 0-7-1 run and Joey Mac was in net. Stopped something like 28/30 shots.
Sadly, he was probably the best goalie the Leafs had pre-Giguere that season.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I’m a hockey guy first, that was an exciting Superbowl to watch.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Fact:
I didn’t even know who the Patriots were playing in the superbowl until Saturday afternoon. I flipped by and saw the score was 17-15 at about 9:30, then I went to bed.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
FACT
I won $10 from a woman who loves the Pats. When she gave me my money I showed her a pic of Tom Brady dejected, and then I laughed.
Its been a good Monday
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fact:
I read for my classes during the Superbowl. Went to NBC.com for the last 2 minutes. Saw who won, was sufficiently satisfied, then proceeded to finish my reading for the night.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Fact: Football is boring. My life was richer for planning my takeover of New Vegas instead.
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by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fact:
Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This week in hockey is hopefully going to be awesome. Game today, tomorrow and thursday, and then Saturday Mats’ number gets the place it deserves up in our rafters.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I might get smuggled into a private box that night.
god I hope that happens.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
I’ve hit up everyone i know who gets work tickets, no luck so far. considering going up to the 6th floor and pleading my case to the CEO
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Even Leafs TV is having a Mats lovefest all week.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Platinum box that night baby! First row behind the Leafs bench. Look for me on TV, I’ll be the devestatingly handsome guy in the Sundin jersey weeping like a baby.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
by daoust on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Total fluke, this is my first access to platinums in a 3 or 4 years. So pumped.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
which of the nine divines blessed you to get that? wicked regardless.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think to get platinum seats it must have been a daedric prince…
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
perhaps sheogorath looked favourably upon him….this time….
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheogorath might be fun to watch a hockey game with…
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
might be fun, might be totally awful. you just never know.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i’d make a joke about you being rich if this wasn’t so incredibly awesome.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
impressive restraint.
actually has nothing to do with me or my job. a friend has access to his company’s seat, he ended up with these tix via a ‘trade’ with another co-worker.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Why would another co-worker ever trade away those tickets
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It was a helluva BJ.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I bought tickets to a concert before they announced it.
My PVR will be set that night
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m trying to convince my dad that it’s a good idea to bring an advertising exec along to a corporate shindig for which i have no affiliation to…fingers crossed
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
you know what goes well with advertising? traffic. need one of those guys there too
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obligatory: no one needs a psych student
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
What’s more useless than a psych student? a psych teacher.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
who’s more unemployed than a psych student?
an art history student.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
unemployment isn’t just for philosphy majors, useful people are starting to feel the pinch
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I went to Laurier and don’t get this joke.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t know who Don Morgenson is? You obviously didn’t take Psych 1st year or had an awful prof.
http://www.wlu.ca/homepage.php?grp_id=281&f_id=1
This was him 25 years ago…
http://images.ourontario.ca/Laurier/2326727/data?n=15
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hey now
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Monday Morning Poll:
How many points will the Leafs pick up this week?
Schedule:
Monday, Feb 6th: EDM @ TOR
Tuesday, Feb 7th: TOR @ WPG
Thursday, Feb 9th: TOR @ PHI
Saturday, Feb 11th: MON @ TOR
I’m going to say 5 out of 8 points.
Wins vs. WPG, MON, SO loss to Edmonton, regulation loss to Philly.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Screw 'em all
We’re getting 8 out of 8
"The Passion Continues..."
by WendelMadeMe on Feb 6, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 13 recs
rec’d for optimism
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for “Fuck yeah”
and you thought it was over...
by Bullets on Feb 6, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think 6 is very manageable. We can beat Edmonton, Atlantapeg and Montreal.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Edmonton is always a wildcard. They seem to suck but then every once and a while one of their 22 year olds gets an 8 point night.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very true, they have offensive power, but I think we can shut them down by playing a solid hard-hitting game – punish them for trying to generate chances.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, happened last year, too. Leafs creamed them 4-1 in one game and lost the other 5-0.
That 5-0 loss I was at a bar in Edmonton and literally the only person wearing a Leafs jersey there. It was a harsh day.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Flyers are not exactly tearing it up right now. Good time to face them. I’m going for 7 of 8.
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by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They have like 9 concussions and their goaltending has gone from questionable to awful
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whereas the Leafs are pretty well healthy and their goaltending has gone from awful to questionably solid.
I like where this is going.
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by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that would be excellent, and a big boost in the standings
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’de say reg win against edm, OT loss to winnepeg, SO loss against phil.
I think last nights win could have lit a fire under montreal, but I still can’t bring myself to say the leafs lose to them, so regulation win, fuck ya!
6 points.
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by kudzupo on Feb 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leafs will win against Montreal saturday for Sundin alone. Give him a pair of skates!
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Suddenly: Power Centre
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
by Brunswick Bruiser on Feb 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
5pts would be ok, 6 is basically punching our ticket to the playoffs. Leafs need to go something like 14-12-4 to make the dance.
5pts: 2-1-1, means Leafs need to go 12-11-3
6pts: 2-0-2, means Leafs need to go 12-12-2
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
As far as I`m concerned, the bar is set at 90 points by Game 78.
Because then they close with Tampa, Buffalo twice and the Habs.
Get to 90 by the end of March and they`re probably good.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think 6 points is manageable – 3-1-0.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really we need to pick up points now while the opponents are still decently winnable…. we have a tough ass schedule in March.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
exactly. Now’s the time to dig deep (seriously!) – if we pick up easy points, it makes all the wins we get agaisnt tough opponents a big bonus.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I just got a chill down my spine
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
4 points. Wins tonight and in Montreal.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want another Claude Noel Sourpuss Press Conference
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Seriously Claude Noel might be the only guy in Winnipeg who seems to hate this team
Cynically Sarcastic
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They are playing in the Peg. Which means 8 penalties against.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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The fans demand nothing less
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Just how it usually goes.
Id love to continue this hot streak. The more we win now the more we can suck down the stretch. Although locking 6th place would be epic.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
6th place would be excellent, as we could beat either the Panthers or Washington. But baby steps….
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
6th is actually a better position to finish this year than 4th and 5th. As those 2 spots will most likely be 2 of Philly/Pitt/NYR (if Pitt continues to be hot and passes them/ Crosby comes back at all)
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I actually like giving the division winners home ice, makes the division race worth something. But I would make 2 slight tweaks:
1) The division winner has to at least qualify for 8th place, otherwise they are out of the playoffs.
2) The division winners are automatically seeded in the top 4 of the conference, but the top 4 are then seeded by actual points.
Sounds fair to me.
I’m trying this optimism thing for a change. Let’s see how long it takes for it to be crushed.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oh Hells No.
Oh Please! Oh Please! Oh Please! No loss to the Oiler’s. I live in Edmonton. All my friends are Oiler fans. I’ll never hear the end of it if we lose. I’ll even get it from the few Hab buddies I know.
by Rythmn Man on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah Also, I’m going to the Leafs-Sens March 17th game…..I may have bought the tickets saturday nigth while drinking and enjoying the ass whooping we layed out…..except the only tickets available were 200 level and cost a pretty penny.
A month ago, a friend at work got me upper bowl tix to the Leafs-Nucks game next week. They only cost me $125 each.
Those tix are now worth around $300-$350 each. I’m torn about whether I actually wanna go to the game and potentially watch see the Leafs lose live (which would be a first for me in over 20 years) vs. a bad-ass Vancouver team) or sell them and make a pretty penny.
Who am I kidding? I’ll be their wearing the power of my ’93 Gilmour jersey
sell those ones, and buy for a less popular opponent,
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Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
ah, well then…
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
And we dance!
and you thought it was over...
by Bullets on Feb 6, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
MOAR
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Less.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Step 1: Make Popcorn
Step 2: Go read today’s What We Learned
Step 3: Eat said popcorn while reading inevitable `FOOTBAUW`comments trashing Lambert.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
that is fantastic.
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
also the comments from those who don’t get it
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
You could spend all day probably posting “This guy doesn’t get it” in response to the comments that post is going to get. Which means brilliant piece from Lambert.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
5/7 comments took it seriously.
FIVE OUT OF SEVEN!
Yahoo! is close to becoming dumber than TSN’s Your Call
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
I love Lambert when he’s on his game…
This is when he’s at his best. The subtle trolling.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
That’s how you get on major networks without having playoff overtimes preempted by horse race pregame shows.
Brilliant!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
March 27, 2011I purchased my Optimus Reim blue T-shirt from a sporting store in the mall. This has nothing to do with Reimers development as a Leaf, or his career arc – it’s just an awesome nickname and an awesome shirt.
Imagine the (pleasant) surprise when I opened one of my Christmas gifts from my wife this year only to find an Optimus Reim t-shirt staring back at me. :D :D Gosh, all it took was a couple of subtle* hints. ;)
*Subtle – going to puckinghilarious.com on my laptop, pointing to the t-shirt, and saying “I want that in a large.”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You’re only opening your Christmas gifts now?
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was told it was “normal” that you only got the gifts a month after the actual holiday. :(
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hehe BHS QoD reminded me of this and I had to post
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Who is the poor soul getting beat down in this again? If I were him, I’d never hear the end of this from my teammates.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Staal wasn’t it?
Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- Bowl of Fruit Lups in the evening gets the playoffs started!!
by TheNadger on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Staal
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I were him, I’d never hear the end of this from my teammates brothers.
oh boy.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you think Eric KO’d him last year
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure its Marc Staal
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Marc Columbus
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
could have been marc staal
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Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re all wrong, it was Mark Staal.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Stahl?
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gunnar Stahl’s lesser known brother?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A Stall?
Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- Bowl of Fruit Lups in the evening gets the playoffs started!!
by TheNadger on Feb 6, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking more along the lines of stall
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
jonasTSN1050: Reimer looks to be the starter again tonight.
Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- Bowl of Fruit Lups in the evening gets the playoffs started!!
by TheNadger on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Reimer Rolls Greatly, Boasts Saves Ridiculously?
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
Lest we forget: Brett Lebda
by kudzupo on Feb 6, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reimer never boasts about anything he is humble to a fault!
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lets try again
Reimer Rolls Greatly, Both Shutouts Ridiculous
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by kudzupo on Feb 6, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Much better :)
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to be honest
The first time I saw GSBR I thought it was “God Bless Sir Reimer”
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by BCapp on Feb 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I can’t help but think of GRBZRKR when I see that acronym.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He could be messin’ with our minds. Those “Jonas’” stick together!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
related...
jonasTSN1050: Gustavsson likely to start in Winnipeg tomorrow.
but I’ll be that has a lot to do with how tonight goes
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I think Gus starts unless Reimer doesn’t let in a goal tonight in which case you gotta let him go again because of the whole no goals allowed streak. You do not sit a goalie on a no goals allowed streak imo.
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whats the record for shutout minutes in regular season?
giggy has it for playoffs right?
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I believe Manny Legace owns it at over 200 minutes.
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I remember that year, it was insane
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently he doesn't own it though
Longest shutout sequence by a goaltender: Alec Connell, 461 minutes, 29 seconds (1927–28)
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not the ‘modern’ record.
when do the 80s no longer become the modern era?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently it is just a Blue's record
MOST CONSECUTIVE MINUTES PLAYED WITHOUT ALLOWING A GOAL: 186:15 – Manny Legace, 2007-08 (Dec. 28 – Jan. 8)
http://blues.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=34119
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Brian Boucher
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
While with Phoenix, he broke the modern-day NHL record for the longest shutout streak by a goalie, going unscored upon for 332 minutes, or 5 and a half games
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I remember that. Brian fucking Boucher, who would have thought. I guess he used up all his talent in those five games.
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I had him in fantasy that year
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Quick had a streak of more than 200 minutes this year.
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Yeah
Looking at his game log, Quick’s streak lasted for around 219.5 minutes.
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Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- Bowl of Fruit Lups in the evening gets the playoffs started!!
mapleleafs.com has a downloadable schedule you can import to outlook or iCal. It has all the games and what channel they are on
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by leafer1984 on Feb 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
best sports app out there BY FAR
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I'm going to the game tonight with Killer Sundin
It will either be the most awesome or most awkward experience of my life, although I’d guess it’ll probably something in between.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why awkward?
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by BCapp on Feb 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because I’ve never met him before, and only know him because of PPP.
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So it’s sort of an extremely small PPP meet up of sorts.
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This site is awesome.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
by Curt S on Feb 6, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’ll rec that.
I’m really excited, we’ve been talking for a while and he’s a really nice guy. We originally tried to get tickets to the Sundin game, but they were too much.
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t leave your drink unattended! I’m just kidding….i’m sure you will have a great time.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best of luck and go leafs go!
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by BCapp on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man, we’ll be cheering loud from our 300 level standing room spot :)
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better than being outside of the arena!
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Hell yes, this will be my 7th game this season and almost every single time I’ve been in standing room, because tickets are cheap.
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Also the Leafs are 5-0-1 when I’m there so someone needs to get me seasons ASAP.
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Yeah everyone I know gives me shit for it, but since I’m still living at home I don’t have to pay living expenses, and that combined with my job gives me money to go to games. I usually just go for the standing room though, and normally don’t spend more than $60 on a ticket.
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so it probably cost you less to go to 7 games than it will cost for me to go to one Leafs-Sens game as all the 300s were sold out.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
maybe not all 7 games….but i’d say 4 of your games = one for me. Still, it’s worth it, I’m going to DC next year so I won’t get to see the Leafs for at least another 2 years, as I will be a broke ass college student.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not all 7 but probably around half. A lot of people have the misconception that all Leafs tickets are $200 each, but really if you know where to look and which games to go to (for example, a game against Edmonton as opposed to a game against Boston or Montreal), you can actually get pretty cheap seats.
Case in point, the market value for tonight dropped to as low as $39.99 on some websites for standing room seats.
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I haven’t lived in toronto for about 5 years, though my friend kept finding a way to get cheap tickets there so I know they arent all expensive, but you need to be able to go on short notice. I have to plan ahead for my wife’s work schedule, and we’re in ottawa where there’s a 15-25% premium for leafs tickets. 200s were about 200 a piece. I figure it’s worth it for the last game I can see in 2+ years.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that’s where I benefit, because friends of mine will call me and say “I found tickets for $40, want to go?”. Happens every few weeks.
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I’m hoping I might get a chance to do that in DC but I won’t bank on it so I’m taking my last chance to see the Leafs live.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, living at home makes you a loser but whatever, your friends are just jealous you have Leafs tickets.
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Pretty much, although I’m still only 18 so I’m not really at the loser stage quite yet. To be fair though I’d much rather be living in residence at my school, if my school had one.
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meh I have 24 year old friends living at home. Not much work in Toronto these days, the whole province is doing terribly.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
you want to see terrible? move to the rust belt of America.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
oh well sure, but Ontario has its own little rustbelt. We banked on manufacturing, but everyone knew manufacturing was dying here. Its going to be a long and depressing decade or so….
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be 28 in March. I still live at home.
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Weren’t you telling us about the place you just bought outside fo the city? LIke 4 or 5 months ago?
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We did die, we are renting until we get married which is in August
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Wait, you own a place but still live at home?
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We rented it out for the year. It helped pay for the first year of mortgage payments.
Our parents were very supportive of it and had no issues with it
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my brother’s fiance did this as well. She’s rented her house she bought for two years. Now my brother lives there and is renovating it for her, she still lives at home till they’re married.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
See I don’t think I could marry someone without living with them on our own for a while first…
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Why would your parents have issues with what you do with your own things?
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Because part of the plan was “continue living at home.”
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So? If they weren’t planning on moving in until they were married anyways it was either “buy now and rent” or buy then. it sounded to me at least they were staying at home either way.
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Sure, but at some age, it’s probably appropriate to ask your parents “are you okay with me/us continuing to live here?”
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Free advice.
Contact a tax professional when you’re doing up your income tax returns and if you ever sell the place.
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I plan on. Gonna write off a lot of stuff
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Yeah, about that…
The reason I tell you to contact a tax professional is because by renting out your principal residence you might be creating a bunch of potential tax problems.
Off the top of my head, there’s a good chance you won’t be able to deduct a lot of the stuff you think you can.
And even if you do, you’d be causing problems with your ability to sell the house down the road without having to pay tax on any Capital Gains.
Get all of your documentation in order and go see somebody soon so you can beat the rush and figure out what you need to do.
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If you want, fire me an email and I’ll give you the name of someone in one of my offices.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. Chances are, I’m gonna take my taxes to the same person who does my fiancees
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes because I have more than one.
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Am I confused? If you’re renting out your principal residence, isn’t it no longer considered your principal residence?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you are living at home.
As it is the only residence in your name it is your principle still.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
Ah yes, I forgot about the “living at (your parents) home” scenario.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
no wonder you’re so cranky all the time.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
by daoust on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna say, only in American (or Western culture) does living at home in your 20s make you a loser. Most places around the world, it’s quite the norm to live at home at least until you’re married. In some cultures, even after you marry, you still live at home.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a new world order coming.
Children of the Boomer generation were taught to move out , get a job and get a house.
Now they’re trying to instill those same values in their children but the economy isn’t playing along.
So rather than admit that things have changed and maybe you need a new plan, everyone under 30 is going hundreds of thousands into debt on places they can’t remotely afford because “that’s the way we’ve always done it”, which continue to be the 8 most dangerous words in our society.
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Give me a break. The economy isn’t playing along? maybe if everyone in their 20s didn’t think it was their god-given right to travel, drink good wine, go out for dinner, have a $600 cellphone, a $2000 laptop, etc etc etc.
The definition of ‘necessities’ has gotten completely out of whack for this generation (mine included). That’s where the problem starts.
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by daoust on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah you’ve diagnosed it better than I did.
But, the whole “move out, get a job, get a house” thing is falling apart at the “Get a Job” stage.
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Well, not really. It’s get a job that allows you to meet quality of life standards. Lots of low paying jobs that leave you below the poverty line out there, but being on welfare pays more. We need a living wage or work-associated welfare where full payments go to those who hold down jobs but can’t get by.
Also, can’t buy a house without going into debt. So living at home while working makes a whole lotta sense if you can do it.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
god-given right to travel, drink good wine, go out for dinner, have a $600 cellphone, a $2000 laptop
IT ISNT???
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I half joke because I have done / own all those things… but only after I’ve been able to pay for it with my own money.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Right. But people are paying it with their own money, then saying ‘oh I have no savings to make a down payment on a house’. It’s bullshit.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
That’s why we’re living in a crappy apartment in Chicago, for the lowest rent we can find… so that once we both graduate from grad school we may be able to get a house… due to the 100’s we saved on rent
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’d do that in DC but it would result in living in a terrible, terrible neighbourhood. No can do, I’m a canadian and I’d like to be safe.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, as long as you aren’t out at 3 AM you’re fine in my neighborhood, but there also aren’t many places in Chicago you want to be walking around at 3 AM
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why we’re living in a crappy apartment in Chicago, for the lowest rent we can find
Cabrini Green?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Cabrini green got torn down and replaced with really nice condos.
No we’re up near the Loyola campus… it’s no Lincoln Park… but it’s not bad (half a mile south is another question)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I had friends living around there (loyola). I also have friends that live in Lincoln Park and don’t really understand what all the fuss is about?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Lincoln Park is a really nice area, especially close to the lake, it’s also fairly close to downtown, it has the zoo, and it’s close to Wrigley
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
In my head you said this with the same voice my old curmudgeonly neighbour would say "get of my lawn"
I agree with you completely but it starts making me feel old…kids today don’t understand the value of money or what it takes to earn something. Hell I even remember hearing my grandfather use that on my dad.
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Oh for fuck’s sake. Houses today are basically twice as expensive for people starting out as they were for our parents.
Your parents saved hard for a $250K starter home? Neat. Doubt their saving would have bought that house for $420K.
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There are a lot things that are a lot less expensive on a % of income basis as well.
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my parents first VCR cost fucking $1000 in 1985, on a household income of probably $40,000. You can buy a DVR at the grocery store for $50 now.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
How does buying a DVD player or not buying a DVD player help me close the gap that houses are about 85% more expensive today than they were 20 years ago?
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If you were just happy enough with a VCR instead of a DVD player, you could afford a house. Clearly.
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Well, that’s a savings of $950. So if you don’t buy approxiamtely 300 DVD players, you’ve saved enough money to put $300K down on a house.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
{Let’s all sell Chemmy some DVD players and get rich.}
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not buying a DVD player obviously doesn’t close that gap.
But everything is cheap now, so people buy everything they want. In isolation everything is a small justifiable expense. In totality it all adds up to the point where people’s ‘discretionary’ spend is absurd. The amount my parents spent on eating out, going to the movies, booze, electronics, clothes, etc was a fraction of what mine would have been during my 20s.
I’m not denying that houses are expensive now and more expensive than they were before. But it’s a perverse reaction to that to increase your discretionary spending and reduce your savings to 0%, all the while blaming ‘society’ and ‘the economy’ for your own indiscretions.
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Real wages change from 1985: 0%
Housing price chage from 1985: +85%
If anyone’s “blaming society” it’s you, the guy saying that it’s no big deal.
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Not going out for dinner once a week or buying second hand clothing doesn’t magically gain me the $200,000 to a buy house today versus 20 years ago.
Also, most of this ‘big’ saving items are one buy items. TV, DVD player, etc… and have little impact over a 30 year mortgage.
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And weren’t around when Daoust’s parents were in their 20s.
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You’ve just been “outed” for being old.
/kindoflikepunk’dbutnotreally
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
But this is part of why you two are both right. The price of housing HAS been out of control, bid up for a whole batch of reasons. Plus, the average square foot per person has exploded in recent decades.
But to compare, the cost of most other things haas fallen. Especially electronics, but also various imported foods, etc. Thus, when people see housing out of reach, and the relative price for electronics has fallen, they shift.
Christ, I was talking with a friend this morning, and we realized our phone is now also our watch, our alarm clock, our post office, our tv, our game center, etc. etc.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The price of eggs, milk and bread are rising at about 10% PER YEAR in adjusted dollars right now.
Nothing’s getting cheaper.
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to be fair, eggs/milk/other dairy are heavily subsidized by the government, distorting prices tremendously and inflating them.
It doesn’t matter why they’re more expensive. It matters that food staples are more expensive.
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Grains and rice are on the way up, too. Vegetables in Ontario have become a little crazy, most seeming twice the price as 5-10 years ago. Meat fluctuates greatly, though hasn’t risen too badly.
I find most people’s problems with food economy is their insistence on buying name brands, specialty products or unnecessary items.
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wal-marts great value brand is actually pretty good too from what I’ve tried
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the only thing I don’t go cheapest available on is Toilet paper and peanut butter.
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I remember “no name”. Gosh, loved the bright yellow color for everything of that brand. It screamed “look at me, I’m ‘no name’!”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The “nothing is getting any cheaper” line is just not true. The price of food is – still – at an incredible decades-low, with maybe a couple of % point blip up and down in recent years.
It’s housing that went ape-shit.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
U.S. food prices rose 4 percent in 2007, compared with an average 2.5 percent annual rise for the last 15 years, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And the agency says 2008 could be worse, with a rise of as much as 4.5 percent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24127314/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/us-seeing-worst-food-inflation-years/#.TzAhUFyqBgg
Price of food rose.
Real wages stayed the same or declined. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_wage)
Somehow people spent less of their income on food.
Maybe they stopped eating?
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40 years ago a house cost something like 150% of your annual income.
Immediately after WW2 when the US was manufacturing shit like crazy and the suburbs blossomed it was normal for a factory worker to save up four months’ pay and buy a house straight up.
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Right, but you spent 25% of your income on food. It’s like 10% now.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Food costs are tiny compared to my housing costs (especially for two adults with no kids, ie. people who want to buy a house).
I’d pay triple the cost of food if it saved me 20% on a house.
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Or to use your example:
If my paycheck then was 100 dollars I’d spend $25 on food and let’s say I spent the rest on the house to keep it simple.
Now I only spend 10 on food but my $75 mortgage is now $138.75.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
poverty – the best diet of them all
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What scares me is some of the homeless people have beer bellies. (a good third of them!)
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Distended stomachs are a common symptom of starving to death.
Without being crass look at starving children in Africa.
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Chart
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Is that percent change on the last year? Because if so that’s exponential growth.
The charts say that as a percentage of income the price of food is falling.
I find that hard to believe if StatsCan is saying bread is 10% more expensive this year than last in real dollars.
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The FRED site is the best place to find data on this.
It’s what Krugman and others use.
But no, food inflation is not running out of control.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I’ve seen the charts.
Real wages have been stagnant for 30 (!!!) years.
Food prices are rising 10% per year right now.
How do I reconcile those facts with charts saying people spend less on food?
The price is up. Their earnings aren’t. Somehow they spend less on food.
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Agreed on the real wages and the housing. They’re the problems. The other stuff, electronics, clothes, cars… prices have been pretty good. Medical insurance in the States is also ugly. Food is iffy. People TALK about it as a problem, because they notice the changes in price, as it’s a frequent purchase. But part of it is seasonal, and they often don’t notice when prices fall back down. Also, there are enormous opportunities to substitute out – e.g. change meat etc.
But real wages and housing? There’s the rub. And you’re right on on that.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
That is percent change from the year before
Meaning it increased every single year since 1959 except 2011
That was my guess. At about 0.5% annually that’s exponential growth.
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Yes, but every price on Earth has risen these past 50 odd years. So have wages. That’s what inflation is. The question is, have prices out-run wages? And the answer is… not really. Not on food. On housing, in many regions, yes, they have.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
But this all doesn’t matter.
I don’t care if food is free now.
You’re saying that because a small part of the budget is now cheaper it doesn’t matter that the largest part of the budget is growing at an extreme rate.
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Ignore that, I misinterpreted your food argument.
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And I agree people don’t notice seasonal fluctuations, though again StatsCan says food staples up 11% year on year.
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You know what? I’ll accept your premise to the extreme: everything is free except housing.
Housing is still roughly twice as expensive as it was in the 80s and it’s THE BIGGEST SLICE OF THE BUDGET for everyone.
Who cares if little things got slightly cheaper?
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Skinny nailed it further up the thread.
Not going out for dinner once a week or buying second hand clothing doesn’t magically gain me the $200,000 to a buy house today versus 20 years ago.
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i think skinny’s wrong. take away $100 on booze a week, $100 eating out, $100 cell phone bill a month, $400 a month on clothing, etc etc. Multiply x 10 years. You’ll probably have a $50K down payment for a house. At a 5% minimum that’s enough for a million dollar house.
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20% is the new minimum i believe. But you can often find a starter home for “only” 250k… (might be more than 20%, that’s how much i had to put down for my APARTMENT)
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This is a joke, right??
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I meant to say a ‘down payment’ on a $1M house. 5% is the minimum in Canada still.
My point is that with 10 years of restraint you can save enough for a downpayment on a $300-$400K ‘starter home’.
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And while we’re all sittting around comparing house pricing, it might be worthwhile to look at historical lending rates. 14.72% overnight lending rate in 1982. 0.5% in 2010. housing prices have gone up in part because the cost to borrow the money has gone down.
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/selected_historical_page1_2_3.pdf
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That’ leaves a monthly payment of $4,399.20 for a 30 year mortgage. Easily afforded thanks to my saving on on a cellphone.
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Yes but you are also saying kids should cut any and all spending which is just silly. Do you expect them to sit in a dark room for 10 years when they aren’t working till they can afford a house? When you and your wife were saving for your place did you guys eat ramen noodles and play scrabble all night long, not have a phone or tv? Only shop at value village?
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I spend $0 on booze, $0 on cell phone, and maybe $400 a year (not month) on clothes. I have a good, middle-class job. I’m still probably going to be close to 40 by the time I can afford a house.
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I spend $0 on booze, $0 on cell phone
Don’t drink and don’t text, or do you somehow get these for free?
No no, dig UP stupid.
Don’t drink, work pays for my phone.
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Lots of people care. It’s Brave New World: bombard people with pleasure and they fail to see how limited, insignificant and powerless they are. It’s actually quite brilliant.
This is the meat and potatoes of North America’s economic problem these past two decades.
Here’s a great chart, as house size has a lot to do with this.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
And this. Just up to 2004. It then went well beyond these figures, before peaking out a bit.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The question is, are the same demographics buying homes or are some subgroups of the population now buying alternative types of housing?
also that better be median home size and not average because otherwise that line is worthless.
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Small pdf of median and average both
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, so they used average which means the person who made the table is dumb, but the trend still holds so i won’t invalidate the whole table.
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I’d happily purchase a 1700sq. ft. 3bed 2ba 2car garage house at 1980s prices.
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At this point I wouldn’t know what the hell to do with 1700 sqft.
Since graduating I’ve lived in a 700 sqft 1 bdrm for a year, a 1020 sqft 2 bdrm for 2 1/2 years, and now a 750 sqft 1 bdrm.
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Stop living so extravagantly Clark.
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Before we moved, my fiancee literally spent an afternoon in our new apartment figuring out how we were going to fit our IKEA sectional into our new living room, because it completely blocked off the living room from the dining area.
We had to fucking Tetris it into the corner and run the TV cable all the way around the living room to the other wall.
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I work for 1800-GOT-JUNK? and you’d be amazed at what people throw out on a daily basis. I’ve been able to fully furnish my one-bedroom apartment in two months (And I literally had not a single stick of furniture before moving into this place) with great stuff. Everytime someone new comes to visit and I tell them how I furnished my place, they think I’m referring to maybe the dining room set or something. Their jaw hits the floor when they realize EVERYTHING (except for my TV and mattress) was something I recycled.
Nothing is gross or beat up. I have valuable artwork, a 7’ tall plant, leather reclining sofas, big beautiful wooden tables, bookshelves.
The most ridiculous part? Everything I’ve brought home was something that someone threw away so they could get a new version of it. Which baffles the fuck out of me.
I’ve recently decided that I’m quite happy with the amount of free space I still have in my apartment and now I refuse to bring home anything else (unless a friend has asked me to keep my eyes out for a specific item). It’d be all to easy to just fill up my place with tons of good stuff that I just don’t need.
Bring it home and Kijijiji it
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 6, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
HOARD MOAR KNICKNACKS
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My fiancee has boxes full of decorative stuff that when I ask why she keeps it her response “For when we have room for it”
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As someone who is currently going thru it. Make sure you have lots of whiskey on hand
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For the fiancee.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, me too
Thing is, we’re all busily shifting blame around, looking for which group benefitted the most from the housing nonsense. When part of the problem is…. we all did. for instance, the US ran huge trade deficits with China. Which funds were then returned to the US, and invested – in huge amounts – in housing. Which helped make for cheap housing, yes, but also… cheap stuff. Electronics, clothes, etc. Plus, everybody gained as the insane “winnings” from the housing game continued.
Overall, I blame the financiers and the bankers and the politicians who knew better, saw the data, and were just too busy getting rich. But otherwise, it wasn’t just one age segment or another.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I blame investment bankers too, but I didn’t wade in here until I saw daoust saying the reason young people are fucked is not because of complex and powerful market forces but solely because they have an inability to live frugally.
That’s not the case at all.
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Why are you arguing with Daoust?
He’s insane.
The Jared of investment bankers.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you should put all money in waffles, tasty waffles
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See? Whaddiditellyez?
fookin genius, that lad.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I never said solely. But if you think young people have no responsibility for their financial circumstances, well we’ll have to agree to disagree.
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Of course young people have a responsibility, however the fact of the matter is making 50K a year at an entry job these days isn’t enough to get you a house anymore after a couple years.
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50k entry level job? WHERE?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Any job that having a specific degree is required…
Engineering, teaching (in ontario at least and if you are lucky to get hired fulltime), Physio and all those other “not quite doctor but still medical” fields.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
if you expect seem to think 500K is a starter house, no. I make between 50 and 70, and purchased a condo in the bay area for $125K approx. Setting realistic expectations is part of buying your first place. my mortage and hoa payment is less than what I was paying for rent. My commute’s 20 mins longer now but thats the sacrifice I make for owning my own place.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
If I could buy a place for $125K in Toronto, I’d have done it yesterday.
Shoeboxes are going for $300K right now. And that’s giving shoeboxes credit.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
and you can’t buy a place for 125K in San Fran or San Jose or any of the other higher end communites in the bay area. You can if you go further out however.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just checked Trulia. Under $200k I found a 2bed 1ba that looks like it burned down and they painted over it.
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I was looking in the sub 200K market when I was looking, and there were a lot of crap out there, but there were a lot of decent stuff as well. It all depends on where you are willing to live and what you maybe willing to sacrifice off your wish list.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
fall of 2009, just after the crash in prices in the bay area.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
People used to live in shoeboxes. That was the norm. Not Norm Ullman posted a great chart above showing square footage increase.
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Yes, an increase from 1700 to 2300 sq. ft.
I haven’t had 1000 sq. ft to myself since I left my parents’ house.
I probably haven’t had 800 sq. ft.
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The termite infested house you and I had was about 1,400 and came with doorways too narrow to fit a couch thru.
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does that include the uninhabitable sunroom?
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My apartment is 550 square feet approx. There are 5 bedrooms in that each around 75 square feet.
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Oh don’t worry, it had no insulation and oil heat that cost $600 a month.
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Before we moved out, we told them we’d stay if they lowered rent by $800 a month. They told us no, so we moved out and it went without a tenant for something hysterical like 6 months losing them well over $5000 versus just letting us stay for cheaper. They were pretty dumb landlords who overvalued their shit box.
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I’m not looking for a palace. When I say shoebox I’m talking about 499-600 square feet. Usually a bachelor, maybe a one-bedroom if I’m lucky.
I’m actually in a pretty good position because I’ve never had student debt. I made enough each summer to cover my tuition and I’ve lived at home the whole time. I’ve also not blown my money on stupid things like a car or a boat or something. I’ve been working since the day I graduated almost three years ago and I have some money saved up. Even then, it’s nowhere close to enough. I’m not even looking at houses, because houses that smell of cat urine (link) are going for $1M plus in Toronto now.
So yes, I’m seriously considering buying a shoebox, because that is what I, a “stupid young person” who has worked steadily since graduation and has been living as frugally as possible, can reasonably afford.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
your "hoa" payment?
i’d be cuttin’ back on that.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I made 50K a year
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
But if you think young people have no responsibility for their financial circumstances
No one thinks this. Young people right now would need to be spending thousands per month on frivolities to match the gap in housing prices since when you bought.
Your point that young people should be more frugal is utter nonsense.
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Per daoust's comment
He bought a $225k house with a $10k down payment. That’s roughly a $1,000 a month mortgage.
That same house now costs $400k with $1,800 mortgage payments.
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Save up an extra $800 a month for the payments genius.
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Well if I cut out cable, internet, phone, gas heat, electricity, food, and gas I’d only have about $300 more to save.
Would any of you think less of me if I worked a glory hole for a few years in order to afford a home?
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
as long as you’re saving the money for a downpayment,and, not, you know, blowing it all on hats.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
unintentional pun, didn’t even notice it. Was quoting a line from the movie “Hot Shots”
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
go for it dude.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, it’s nonsense. Housing prices being so high is why no one is able to save up a down payment anymore. It doesn’t have to do with people spending more than they should.
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It doesn’t have to do with people spending more than they should.
You repeat this like a mantra.
Do you think people in the EIGHTIES, a decade widely viewed as defined by conspicuous consumption, were somehow much more frugal than people now?
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what were the savings rates then? From what I remember reading, the amount people save of their income has steadily decreased teh past 20 years or so.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I mean seriously, you guys think that on the population level:
- People in their 20s in the eighties were savvy and made smart frugal decisions
- People in their 20s now waste all their money on electric toys
You really truly believe that’s a trait that exists across tens of millions of people, defined only by being born around the same time?
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in the 80’s tuition prices were a lot less than they are now as well. Even comparing when I went in the 90’s to now adays. People are graduating with enormous debt already, which means less money to be able to save for a downpayment.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
So ‘young people getting themselves in trouble using credit to buy things they can’t afford’ is a narrative I’ve made up then??
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You got a point with people in my generation using credit cards willy nilly. It doesn’t help that the education system doesn’t emphasis personal finance.
You can blame the younger generation all you want, but remember “you” raised them.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
You really think it’s only young people that did that? You do realize the housing crisis was caused by people of all ages and walks of life who scraped enough together to pay a downpayment (or sometimes none at all) and could then afford the first year or so of mortgage payments at discount rates, before those rates reverted to what they actually should have been? At which point they defaulted en masse?
Meanwhile in Canada household credit is at record levels (150%+) but as the Bank of Canada has repeatedly said, housing is the primary cause for this.
Ironically, people are not buying houses on their credit cards, they are buying houses with mortgages at record-low levels, because the central banks are ENCOURAGING them to do so, with rates at record-low levels. It’s a twisted cycle.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you and daoust are both correct.
true, housing prices have increased disproportionately due to complex economic factors.
but yes, people today spend much more on unnecessary things than they did 30 or 40 years ago.
but what’s the rule? when we’ve run out of space for threads to move it’s time to let it die?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
this is why we can’t have nice things.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
US Savings rates lowest in recorded history
http://wallstreetpit.com/13428-total-us-savings-rate-lowest-in-recorded-history
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Hey guys let’s all become saves. We can make 1%!!!!!!!!!! That’s only -1% savings on your account….invest $1000 now and lose only 10$ of purchasing power! Woooooo!
Bingo. Savings rates are LOWER THAN INFLATION.
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The “Savings Rate” is very very very very very different from “people saving money for things”.
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From daoust’s link:
Government deficits have caused the U.S. savings rate to turn negative for the first time since the Great Depression, and the gap is widening even as households and companies put away more money than ever before.
Boy if only we saved more money… wait. Hold on.
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It was too difficult to choose between buying a house or continuing their cocaine addictions, so people chose both.
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For the price of a house and an 8-ball in 1985, chances are you’d be able to afford about one-third of an average Vancouver house.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I do. Completely. I include myself in this group as well. People in their 20s/30s now spend way more on frivolous stuff than people in their 20s/30s did 30 years ago. To Nigel’s point below, saving rates are way way down over the last 20-30 years.
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savings rates tend to go down further when you keep interest rates at basically 0%. Our current monetary policy punishes savers. Did so in the early 2000s to. Free money for every mortgage!
Yeah, I don’t bother moving money into my savings account because it generates 0.25% interest. Why bother?
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I get a whopping 1.25% from ING. I used to be getting 4.5% before the crisis. I’m one of the savers being punished, as I’m tryign to save up for grad school in the fall. But really, I make nothing by putting it into a savings account and somewhat lose money due to inflation. I just cut my loses. I can’t go into 100,000$ debt for grad school. that’s 1000 a month for 10 years. No way I want that kind of debt over my head. Trying to get it to ~60-70,000 is tough in these times, though.
Yeah, I get nearly the same cash back from my credit card that I do from the interest in my savings account. Thanks bank!
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I get a whopping 1.25% from ING.
In the States it’s much lower than that.
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Poor policy isn’t to blame Goosemonster.
It’s your fault because you spend your money poorly, unlike everyone before you all of whom were geniuses.
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that’s exactly what i said, thanks for putting it more succinctly.
The fact remains if you’re paying a reasonable rent, the only thing preventing you from putting money aside every month for an eventual down payment on a house is the fact that you’re spending it on something else. The ‘something else’ portion of expenses has largely gotten cheaper, not more expensive, over the last 30 years, so it’s a real mystery where that money is going.
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That money is probably going towards what has become a “reasonable rent.”
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Nobody is convinced that the something else portion has gone down enough to offset the increase in the house portion.
Nobody is convinced that the something else portion has gone down enough to offset the increase in the house portion.
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I think the majority of people ARE putting aside that money and that isn’t the issue. The issue is that it now takes 10 times as much money for the downpayment. Also reasonable rent rates have gone up and real wages have not.
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The fact remains if you’re paying a reasonable rent and don’t have student loans and aren’t in one of the lower income brackets, the only thing preventing you from putting money aside every month for an eventual down payment on a house is the fact that you’re spending it on something else.
Fixed.
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And unfortunately, there is also the little question of where exactly to “set aside” that money. All things considered I’m practically better off keeping it all under my mattress
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, I understand why interest rates have to be low now. I just don’t understand why there’s no accountability for massive and systemic fraud in providing mortgages to people who had no business getting them and who were never told about the risks. The same people who caused our whole economy to crash – essentially forcing our central banks to keep interest rates low to stimulate aggregate demand – are not in jail or at least held fully accountable. Never mind companies that sold people shitty assets they knew were shitty, bet against them, and got away with it.
I just don’t understand why there’s no accountability for massive and systemic fraud in providing mortgages
Because the political systems are run by corporations
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Man, this is bullshit! We should organize some sort of rally… somewhere, where these guys congregate and let them know how we feel!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
And express our dissatisfaction in percentage terms. Like 66%, or something, but maybe backwards
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
to insulate yourself from job loss, market crashes, tragedy, etc?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming I had a 50k down payment sitting in there that’s a whopping $125 a year in a savings account as opposed to my checking.
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you would probably have that in another type of interest earning account though.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
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you would probably have that in another type of interest earning account though.
Like what? Here’s BoA’s CD rates: http://www.bankofamerica.com/deposits/checksave/index.cfm?template=ecommDepRates
0.5% oh baby lock my money up for a year.
I wish I could borrow $50k for a year and pay only $250 for the privilege.
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The only savings account I use is my TSFA because its tax free and even that tops out at 5k a year whoopdyfuck.
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Assuming you`ve contributed the max every year and never withdrawn anything you can only contribute 5K a year.
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Like I said it tops out at 5K a year…
and you can replace however much you withdraw the next year. For instance in 2011 I withdrew 2grand. so this year I can top up those previous years.
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Didn’t you say you’re 23 and a student?
Not many 23 year old students have more than 5K lying around to save.
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Falling real wages for many people and stagnating real wages for others are a more likely explanation. Doesn’t matter how frugal you are if wage gains fall behind costs.
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Assuming that everybody became more frugal and responsible with their discretionary income;
That doesn`t magically bring down housing prices.
That doesn`t magically bring down the cost of inflation on pretty much every basic necessity.
That doesn`t magically raise the return on investments that is necessary to raise enough money to make that downpayment.
That doesn`t magically decrease the cost of rent so that you have somewhere to live while you`re trying to save for a downpayment.
The whole thing`s a vicious circle.
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Oh and we haven`t even mentioned that every single house that is now wildly overpriced is either:
slapped together in six weeks so the developers can make a profit,
or coming up on 30-40 years and in need of serious need of major repairs.
So basically no matter what you`re going to buy an overpriced piece of shit that will sink you further into debt just to make it livable.
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Housing is crazy
And I know when it went crazy.
My wife and I bought our first house in Brantford for $33K in 1986. Small 2 bedroom wartime house on a smallish lot. Good condition.
Then 18 months later we sold it for $65K and moved to Paradise. Been here ever since.
by ChrisFromParadise on Feb 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Which breaks in two years having you buy another. Then another. (same with phones, tvs, computers etc)
Yeah disposable technology market strategies!
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is true. People have to actually realize what necessities are:
-Clothes
-Shelter
-Food
-Water
-Leaf Tickets
That’s the end of that list.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is true. People have to actually realize what necessities are:
-Clothes Jerseys
-Shelter
-Food
-Water Beer
-Leaf Tickets
That’s the end of that list.
by c_gee on Feb 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when it comes to this issue
i’m right there with you. right here:
Move along. Nothing to see here...
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s a pretty simplistic view of things. Young people may be spending their money less frugally but there are powerful market forces at work that probably make that irrelevant.
Look at housing prices from 1993 to now. They’re places to live. Unless suddenly real wages rose four or five times from then to now (and they didn’t, real wages fall year on year) there’s not a lot people in my generation can do.
Perhaps the recent trend towards small luxuries is the only thing a generation completely unable to afford houses either way can do.
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Perhaps the recent trend towards small luxuries is the only thing a generation completely unable to afford houses either way can do.
If that’s what you tell yourself to justify buying $70 bottles of wine and $200 per lb Iberican ham… sure thing.
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Please don’t interpret this as me being holier than thou – I’m guilty of indulging in stuff I don’t really need all the time. I just think it’s bullshit to blame ‘society’ or the ‘economy’ for it.
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Again, explain why houses are 5.5 times more expensive now than they used to be? Is that because the current generation spends stupidly?
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Yes, in part. The current generation doesn’t have the same ‘fear’ of debt that previous generations had.
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The current generation without houses aren’t the ones who took on the debt that inflated the housing market.
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Prices have come down from about 500% of annual salaries to about 475%.
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thats a 25% savings!
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by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Housing prices are still rising at something like 6% per year, way higher than wages. How are prices low now?
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it’s not the “current generation” of 16-30 year old buying all these houses. A lot of it is actually Gen Xers who are now adults.
Can we all just agree that is was the generation who was buying houses on ridiculous debt in the early to mid 2000’s that ruined it for everyone?
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Pricks.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did you buy your house on ridiculous debt? aka a house you can’t afford?
I know plenty of people who bought reasonable houses back then. Its the people who spent above their means on houses which ruined it.
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people kept thinging they would just re-fi once their ARM came due to adjust. They had this belief that housing prices could only keep going up, never down. I’ve been saying since 2000 that out here in the bay area the bubble was going to burst on all these dot-com’s. Just like Texas in the 80s with the oil boom.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
And the current generation, left holding the bag, didn’t make those choices because they never had the chance to.
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I don’t know about you, but I can’t wait for 60% of my paycheque to go the government to simultaneously pay down the debt the last two generations rang up and pay for the health care necessary to prolong their lives.
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Maybe you should have sat in a dark corner and hoarded money like apparently everyone before you and I did.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you add up my “unnecessary” (not gas, food, utilities, etc…) purchases over the past year, it doesn’t even reach the equivalent of 2 months rent.
Not sure what else I’m supposed to be doing here.
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Always wondered, what about the “grey areas”? Do you have cable, wi-fi, HD-TV, Netflix, Smart Phone? Would these be considered "necessary’?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is your point that in the 80s people bought food and sat around in their house otherwise?
They didn’t.
What they did was have considerably cheaper housing prices relative to income.
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Getting rid of all of those things would save you almost $1500 a year. Just think of how quickly you’ll get that half million dollar house with $1500 a year.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
when we hit a certain limit in replies, I start to lose track.
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by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since 1980 in the US (32 years) the “price index” for homes has risen 5.5×. Over that same period real waged and purchasing power have fallen.
The price of homes is a credit bubble.
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Yep. I know in the states its horrible. Is it not true that the average person down there buys a house that is worth 20 years of “real wages” combined? For instance a 50k a year real wage person will end up spending close to 1mil on a house
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The ratio of “income” to “housing prices” has consistently risen.
In the late 80s it was about 300%, meaning the median home cost three times the median annual income.
Today it’s about 500%.
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if this is true, does it mean that at about 130% I’m in good shape?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
That was a point I made earlier somewhere. The US is 500%, the UK is about 600%. Canada was still well below that (although I don’t remember the exact number).
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I’m looking for a link here, because with the huge inflation in house prices (especially in SW Ontario), I find that hard to believe. This is because I know that salaries for the same profession in Ontario aren’t much differenct from those in say, Michigan.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
It’s certainly gone up from where it was, but my point is that it never got as high as the US and UK.
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Don’t think that’s right anymore Daoust, certainly Toronto and Vancouver are criminally insane.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver is off the charts for sure. But I’m pretty confident that Toronto is still below the 500-600% level that the UK/US saw.
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If I live like a hermit for 10 years and pay $50,000 down, that’s only a $400,000 mortgage and $1,852 a month. Easily afforded with 2nd hand clothing.
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Like I said earlier, buying a house with someone else (partner / wife) is a huge factor. The number of single people looking for housing now versus 30 years ago is probably a lot higher.
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And what about me? I’m 23 and single. Does that mean I should get screwed out of being able to buy myself a home within the next 10 years because I can’t find someone to spend my life with?
My parents in 1985 bought their first place 3 months after my dad finished school and a year and a half after my mom finished school. It would be next to impossible for an average couple even to do this today.
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Apparently a whole lot of people because it was them defaulting on their mortgages that got us all into this mess.
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Read “The Big Short”.
Read the part about the Mexican illegal strawberry picker, who made $14K annually and got a mortgage for a home worth $732K.
Then weep .
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Yeah that’s stupid but it’s a better indicator of predatory lending than “dumb guy bought too much house”.
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People are naturally going to want bigger houses than they can afford, when they’re being told “no really, you can afford this.”
Misrepresenting the likelihood of people to default? That’s a problem.
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I read the Big Short, it was good. But I don’t only blame the buyers, the mortage companies were giving people mortages they had no business getting. Most people don’t get a financial education, but the companies knew better. People should in jail, but they won’t be. Money buys justice, or a lack thereof.
Well for one a $1M house isn’t a luxury palace. Look at that “FMListing” site. Townhouses in the suburbs are $800k now.
Maybe that’s a decent sign that the problem isn’t as fucking simple as “dumb kids these days waste all their cash”.
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This is what I’m talking about. Those are some pretty shitty places. For a 25 yr old couple on their first jobs out of college, a 2 bed 2 bath place is what you’d expect. But they are now having to pay $800K or 800% of their starting salary for a Starter house.
How can someone expect my generation to actually make that work?
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In the Bay Area a $500k house is in a bad neighborhood and needs to be completely gutted to be livable, forget nice.
In Fairfield county CT a $500k house is a 2bed 1ba on an eighth of an acre. It was built in 1948ish and has never been renovated. You’ll spend $1,000+ a month on heating oil because it needs to be gutted to put insulation everywhere.
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I’m lucky that I’m not planning on living in Toronto, I’ll probably stay in KW where you can still find reasonable houses. For instance a house like my parents 4 bed 3 bath 2100 sqft house that is 23 yrs old but in very good shape could be had for a shade under 500K. And that house is one you could raise your kids in it isn’t a starter home.
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That place in Calgary used to be nearly 500K (very similar specs to my place), but is down to 450K now.
Fortunately we bought 14 years ago for about 235K.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
800K for a starter home is a bit extreme. Some of those listings in that link at that price are more about location and property size than the actual house.
Check mls.com there are still lots of properties / starter homes for less than half of that. My first condo (2003) was 174K for1650 sq ft in Etobicoke I sold in 2009 for 215 and today it is worth maybe 245.
Is it difficult to afford a place in Toronto…yes… but as long as you manage expectations, Size, location and ammenities you can still find something. The problem is everybody wants new remodeled huge living spaces.
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A shithole in a nice neighbourhood is still a shithole.
People are only listing the houses at these hilariously depressing prices because there’s people out there stupid enough to pay them.
As someone who plans to be buying his first home within eighteen months, I’m mentally preparing to tell a lot of people to go fuck themselves.
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My first condo (2003) was 174K for1650 sq ft in Etobicoke
What part of etobicoke?
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RIGHT NEAR DA BEACH.
BOOYYYYYY
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No, The Beach is on the East side of the side. Etobicoke is on the West. Do you even watch the maps of the city?
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We bought a place thats about a 45 min drive away from the ACC (im using that as a landmark as its right downtown) because anything else south of there was too bloody pricey.
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In some cultures multiple generations live under one roof. Some cultures also still have arranged marriages. I wouldn’t want either.
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When my family came here they all lived together until they could afford their own houses
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Mine too. I wasn’t born yet, but my parents lived in an 800 sqft house with my older bro and sis and my uncle and aunt, their kids, and my two grandparents. You learn to appreciate certain things in life more when you have humble beginnings.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Mine too. We grew up eating darts, while all the rich people had ravioli. We lived in my uncle’s bum fluff, all 13 plus the two siamese. Rule was, you get to eat what you kill, so we always looked forward to the arrival of new children and the unwary. You learn to appreciate certain things in life more when you have humble beginnings.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d but for the life of me can’t pin-point the reference.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Some cultures also kill men with small dicks.
So some people are lucky.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes an economically good idea. Aside from living in res when I was 18-19 just for the experience, I lived at home until I was 23. Saved about four years worth of rent money, so if you go to school in the same city as your parents, may as well.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, living at home makes you a loser
No it doesn’t
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depends on age… if you’re 35 and living at home and none of your family needs living assistance, its probably time to find a place of your own.
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Housing prices are stupid now. If you’re able to live at home and save while working, you’re so much farther ahead. Who gives a shit what others think?
If you’re just sponging off your parents and not really making any sort of plan for your future, yeah you’re probably a bit of a loser.
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This is more what I mean… you don’t see many 35 yr olds who have a good job who have lived at home their whole lives.
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What’s hilarious is that in my early 20s I couldn’t wait to get out of Brantford and live somewhere more exciting.
And now I’d kill to find something like my parents house because a similar property would cost 700K minimum in the GTA.
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yeah that was my thinking as well.
happy as a clam living downtown TO until kid showed up, then we couldn’t move fast enough.
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it was in the plans luckily, but man, i loved that apartment. walk to union station, eaton centre, theatre district, everywhere.
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I personally don’t want to live in suburbs anywhere. I dont like driving and I dont like not being able to walk to nearby amenities.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
stay out of subdivisions and you’re fine.
I can walk to the bus station, grocery store, arena, downtown, everything.
it’s all personal preference.
My real dream is to live in the country, but I understand it would make it harder on the kids until they can drive themselves places.
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I’m a city boy, I like lots to do, and I want my kids to be in a place where they can experience a range of cultures, which is not to say all suburbs are the same but that cities provide a lot more cultural activities.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t you live in Rockville? I don’t know that I’d consider Rockville to be very walkable, unless you’re in one of a couple really select locations.
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yeah they’re going to crash hard. Cant wait for all those douches in my old neighbourhood who payed 1 million dollars for a small house get creamed. Superfluous credit-driven spending for the loss. Ideally.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
For that kind of money you can buy a huge huge house in KW or anywhere outside of Toronto.
My one neighbour by my parents home just sold their 2100 sqft house for $490,000 in a great neighbourhood and the house is in very good condition.
My friends parents just bought a place on the outskirts of Waterloo 3400 sqft place with almost an acre of property for $950,000 apparently. It is a friggin beautiful place too.
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The housing market is seriously ridiculous. I live in the south end of Richmond Hill just off of Yonge St., and my parents bought our house for around 350K. That was in 99, and now our house is probably worth over triple that amount.
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Yah Toronto has had a ridiculous housing bubble. Waterloo isn’t nearly as bad thankfully. My parents house has probably tripled in value too but that is over 23 years, and they got it when it was a new neighbourhood, now theres a public school 2 minutes away, etc etc. So the increase is more of cost of living/ neighbourhood improving than any bubble like the TO market.
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house in Leaside in 1993: 350,000
same house in Leaside in 2009 during a lower time in sales: 1 million
Fucking ridiculous, I have no idea how anyone can afford that but townhouses there can go for 500-600,000.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how anyone can afford that
It’s called a 70-year mortgage.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
is that allowed? ING won’t go past 30 years.
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for a brief window they allowed $0 down mortgages and 40-year amortizations. I think now you have to have 5% minimum and 30-year is the max.
this is another reason why the canadian housing bubble didn’t get as crazy as the US. we didn’t have nearly as lax credit/mortagage policies.
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That’s illegal in the US, and probably in Canada.
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My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I bought a condo together when we were 25/26. It was $225K and we borrowed $10k from my grandfather for a downpayment. We sold it a few years later for $260ish, and used the proceeds as a downpayment for our house. It’s still possible.
Typing that just made me realize another point – we were able to afford it because we were a long-term couple already at the age of 25 that was willing to buy real estate together. If you’re single, or even in a non-common law relationship, buying a house can be very difficult. That’s certainly due to a cultural shift – 30 years ago people were married by the time they were 25 or 26 at the latest.
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And today do you think that Condo is only $225K? My first house will probably have a large downpayment than that.
Again: real wages fall year on year. I could afford a $225k house on a ten year mortgage for less than my rented apartment. That’s not an option anymore.
Additionally the real estate market is slowly tailing off: no chance you’re making a 20% return on investment in “a few years” today.
I know it’s hard to understand that things aren’t the same anymore, but they’re not.
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My old condo would go for about $300K now. 2 people in their mid-20s could afford a $300K condo.
No one said things aren’t the same – I’m fully acknowledging that. But this bullshit blaming ‘the economy’ and not taking any personal responsibility for your own financial situation is bothersome.
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It’s your generation that built these credit bubbles.
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You have to have almost perfect credit etc to get only a 5% downpayment. Anything under 20% is highly regulated/scrutinized.
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Yep thats true today. 3 years ago however that was not true and people went crazy.
Now someone fresh out of university needs to spend 5+ years building up their credit AND save for a downpayment of massive proportions for places that are artificially inflated.
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And university prices have skyrocketed so people have to pay off student loans before saving a couple hundred thousands for a downpayment while they pay rent which has skyrocketed…
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Yep. If I wasn’t paying off massive student loans I might have some money left over for things like a mortgage down payment.
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Apparently that is roughly the actual cost of tuition in Ontario. The rest is subsidised (I think it is more like 20 000, but you get the point).
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I’ll be happy to help my daughter’s financially if they need it while they’re getting established in their 20s. But they will not live at my house. Living on your own is a huge part of growing up, I think it’s a mistake to defer that until your late 20s or early 30s. (Sorry Leafer – not picking on you).
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No worries dude.
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for some reason I typed couch.
Fuck you MOndays
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Freudian slip.
You want to be on your couch all day napping (sidebar: Who doesn’t?)
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I do love my couch
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another area that hasn’t been mentioned is that choosing to live at home is only possible if you actually want to be there.
others just want to get the hell away from there
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Yeah, and I still think it’s weird. That, and having such a low birth rate.
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It’s a joke, by the way. I would have lived at home if it was an option. I’ve spent about $100k on rent in the past six years.
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Ouch.
Well, if you consider living in the ritzy part of the bay area a “necessity”…
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve lived in Fairfield County and now the SF Bay because that’s where the work is.
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Yeah, I threw that out there because I remembered you or skinny saying you lived around there. Also, because I know the standard/cost of living is really high there.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem. I will just leave this here
ES% for goalies with greater than 12 GP
Rank-Player-GP-ES S%-Total S%
1 Brian Elliott 23 0.947 0.938
2 Henrik Lundqvist 38 0.943 0.939
3 Jaroslav Halak 29 0.943 0.922
4 Tim Thomas 34 0.94 0.934
5 James Reimer 20 0.94 0.912
6 Jonathan Quick 44 0.938 0.934
7 Tuukka Rask 19 0.938 0.936
8 Niklas Backstrom 32 0.937 0.925
9 Martin Biron 13 0.935 0.924
10 Pekka Rinne 47 0.934 0.925
11 Jimmy Howard 44 0.933 0.924
12 Richard Bachman 13 0.933 0.912
13 Roberto Luongo 36 0.931 0.92
14 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 25 0.931 0.923
15 Miikka Kiprusoff 45 0.929 0.92
16 Antti Niemi 39 0.929 0.918
17 Jose Theodore 31 0.929 0.916
18 Jhonas Enroth 23 0.929 0.919
19 Devan Dubnyk 26 0.928 0.91
20 Mike Smith 40 0.927 0.92
21 Kari Lehtonen 32 0.927 0.922
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Let me try this again
ES% for goalies with greater than 12 GP
Rank-Player-GP-ES S%-Total S%
1 Brian Elliott 23 0.947 0.938
2 Henrik Lundqvist 38 0.943 0.939
3 Jaroslav Halak 29 0.943 0.922
4 Tim Thomas 34 0.94 0.934
5 James Reimer 20 0.94 0.912
6 Jonathan Quick 44 0.938 0.934
7 Tuukka Rask 19 0.938 0.936
8 Niklas Backstrom 32 0.937 0.925
9 Martin Biron 13 0.935 0.924
10 Pekka Rinne 47 0.934 0.925
11 Jimmy Howard 44 0.933 0.924
12 Richard Bachman 13 0.933 0.912
13 Roberto Luongo 36 0.931 0.92
14 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 25 0.931 0.923
15 Miikka Kiprusoff 45 0.929 0.92
16 Antti Niemi 39 0.929 0.918
17 Jose Theodore 31 0.929 0.916
18 Jhonas Enroth 23 0.929 0.919
19 Devan Dubnyk 26 0.928 0.91
20 Mike Smith 40 0.927 0.92
21 Kari Lehtonen 32 0.927 0.922
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Fucking PK SV% murders Reimer's numbers.
It’s hilarious that he jumped from a .903 to a .912 in Total SV% from Saturday night’s game.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Continued retroactive FUCK YOU to Giguere for playing like shit on a groin that needed surgery
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So do we think he was healthy in his first season here when he rolled a 0.916?
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Don’t know. Don’t care.
He had a big hand in torpedoing the season last year because he played like shit on a bad groin that he refused to get surgery because, just like fucking Toskala, he was looking out for his own contract.
If Reimer hadn’t gone on the second-half tear the Leafs would have given up back to back lottery picks for Phil Kessel thanks to ECHL/AHL goaltending from selfish wanks.
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I hate when players play injured and then get lauded for their heart and grit but put up a sub-par performance. Like Gronkowski last night, if they put a healthy WR in his place, he’d probably be more likely to make a catch when they need it.
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I think Gus would end up in the top 30 in that list, no? or close to it.
imagine a world in which the Leafs have not one but two ‘goalies’.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Someone can double check
But I counted him at 37th (setting 12 GP as the minimum was pretty arbitrary without removing anyone (includeing guys with 1 GP he is 48th).
If you just remove the guys that have 1-3 GP he probably comes in at early 40s. In other words we have a good starter (top 10 in Reimer) and average backup (40ish in Gus) for ES goaltending. To bad the PK is such shit.
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The thing I notice besides Reimer's awesomeness
Boston, NYR, and STL are getting incredible ES goaltending.
STL 1st and 3rd
NYR 2nd and 9th
Bos 4th and 7th
The only other team that makes it twice is Dallas with 12th and 21st.
Also Luongo has really pulled up his season after a terrible start and Dubnyk makes this list but Nikolai “I [Tambellini] think 0.960 is him playing to his true talent” Khabibulin doesn’t.
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hmmm 3 teams who play a tight defensive shell of a game have high ES SV%. What a shock
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There is good and incredible. Those three are getting incredible goaltending.
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Nothing to do with their system?
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Shots against per game:
1. St Louis 26.4
10. NY Rangers 29.3
19. Toronto 30.8
22. Boston 31.3
St Louis yes, Rangers maybe, Toronto possibly, Boston: All Thomas.
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I forget, did anyone ever dispel that myth (with data) that Boston’s defensive system is so good because it allows lots of shots but very low scoring chances? i.e. all to the outside
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I figured as much, was just hoping some one had a link to a ArcicIceHockey-esque blog that dispelled it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I don’t have time to do it right now, but you can pull up the shot charts here if you want:
http://www.somekindofninja.com/nhl/index.php
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All Thomas and Rask. Rask is 7th on that list and actually has the better overall save percentage!
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So, in other words
FUCK BOSTON
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by Frag on Feb 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Halak – lights out since what-his-face took over
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hitchcock. NOthing to do with him tho
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He may have elevated himself to keeper status in my keeper league.
Just crazy good.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
For those who have Leafs TV
Sundin week just started and they’re showing the game where Sundin gets his 1000th point.
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Mark my words, the Leafs will win tonight.
I just went down to do laundry, and my quarters got stuck in the machine… just so happens the guy who emptys the machines walked into the laundry room at that moment. Turns out, Canadian quarter got stuck in the machine.
If that isn’t a sign… I’m not sure what is
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let's just stop and think about one thing for a second:
if we win tonight and tomorrow and New Jersey and Pittsburgh both lose tomorrow, the Leafs wake up Wedsdsay morning sitting in fifth place a quarter of the way through February.
Quite the change from only a couple years ago.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but it definately helps our quest for 6th if we’re tied for that 5/6 spot with the Penguins at this point in the season. It’s also a destinct possibility that we’re in the 6 spot anyway since chances are good Montreal fails to help us by beating the Pens tomorrow anyway
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There’s no Cheering Guide tonight because the only Eastern Conference game is the Leafs vs Edmonton and you already know who to cheer for in that one.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, I was just about to write an open post to you for the “guide” for tonight.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
the only downside to this is I’ll be watching the game with a girl that’s an Oilers fan (slowly converting her, but not there yet) so I can’t cheer too loudly and probably won’t be in the game-day thread… although I suppose that last one isn’t so much a downside for everyone else who, let’s be honest, barely notice when I’m there or not anyway
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by SlickWill on Feb 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m never in a game day thread, but I sometimes go back and read out of curiousity. Yikes! I could never keep up with the constand gif’ing and linking.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my wife loves seeing the gifs when we win.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think my favorite of all time was the one with an alternating BB’s table pounding/RW raise the roof followed by someone who turned the RW one upside down (crab walk). I was laughing hysterically.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Likely on Feb 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You’re going to have to post the whole string described above to impress me.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good morning from Edmonton.
Looks like a Kessel third jersey kind of day.
Bad news is I can’t get to a TV tonight and this game will be blacked out by virtue of being on Sportsnet West. Fuuuuuuuuuuu…..
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
wait, you are in edmonton but cant watch a hockey game which features the Oilers?
who runs that team, Bill Wirtz?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not ownership, it’s the NHL.
I won’t be by a TV for at least the first two periods for school-related stuff. I could stream it since I have Gamecenter but because the game is on a local telecast (Sportsnet West), the NHL blackout restriction will apply to me.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
that makes no sense
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I know its why I cancelled my Gamecentre. I don’t have cable at my place so I got gamecentre thinking hey at least I can still watch all the hockey games. Turns out I can’t watch Leaf games cause they are on local tv.
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Gamecenter could be so awesome. Right now, if you are in the exact right geographical spot its great, but if you aren’t go fuck yourself apparently. They black out every leaf game in ottawa, pretty much. Why? TV rights? Come on, let the fans pay to watch the game.
I know. I am willing to pay you money to let me watch. WHY CAN’T I GIVE YOU MONEY!!!
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Beats me. I think their protection of TV deals is fucking dumb. Just hook people up with a live feed of the broadcast: bam! they watch all the ads and the tv station can accurately determine who is watching them. I get punished for liking the Leafs in Ottawa. I guess the NHL assumes I should pay 100$ a month for cable (which I won’t do) and even then only watch the Sens.
Get LeafsTV interactive. I paid a preseason rate of 40 bucks (I just checked its 20 bucks for 10 games now, so not nearly as cheap) and it gives you 51 games on SNET/TSN/LeafsTV.
If you add in the 18 games streamed for free (in Canada) on CBC that is 69 of the 82 games for $40. Which is pretty good (could be better, but still solid).
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The breakdown
Channel – Total Games- Games covered on Leafs TV -Games free online (in Canada)
CBC-24-0-24
LeafsTV-12-12-0
SNET-29-29-0
TSN-17-10-6 (TSN streams for free Wednesday night games in Canada)
That actually totals 71 games. The only game that could not be watched was the Tuesday January 31st Shootout lost to the Penguins on TSN.
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There was a mistake it was 24 games on CBC so 51 (LeafsTV interactive for $40) + 24 (streamed on CBC for free in Canada) + 6 (streamed on TSN on Wednesdays for free) =81 games available for 40$
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Neither does a lot of things the NHL do.
Since about 40 Leaf games a season don’t get shown on TV in this market, Gamecenter usually makes sense. It’s just nights like this that are frustrating.
At least when this situation happened last week (Leafs-Pens), I could stream it on TSN. Sportsnet needs to at least get live streaming.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
The idea (which I hate) is that if a local distributor (generally a cable channel) is playing the game they have “distribution rights” for the area. Thus no one else can display it. It sucks big time.
LeafsTV Interactive (the online version) clearly has paid TSN and Sportsnet to play games that are on at teh same time though (you can watch a bunch of SNET and TSN games on it), but it is only available in “Leafs Broadcast Region” whatever the fuck that means. Basically sport distribution rules need to be redone.
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my tv has an office
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
My TV has The Office.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Instant rec.
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by MLS on Feb 6, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Does that apply to Calgary too? This makes absolutely no sense why they would black it out in Edmonton…
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Yeah, applies to Calgary, too. They’ll be carrying the game on Sportsnet West there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
What no discussion of Zach Hamill being waived.
Size is not great on the leafs but some teams has to pick him up.
interesting
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
If I were CBJ, Montreal or Edm I’d give it a shot. He could be finding a 20 on the sidewalk… its not like they have anyone better waiting for a shot.
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pretty much.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Colborne in the AHL in Boston because he was stuck behind Hamill? Now that the Hamill era seems to be over in Boston, they have to be regretting the Kaberle trade a bit more.
by Peter Lynn on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why? Because Colborne had a nice month in the AHL?
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I don’t think I need to explain why Joe Colborne is a good prospect that Boston would probably like to still have in the organization. There’s a whole other thread today for that.
Behind Seguin and Bergeron I doubt they’re crying over spilt milk.
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Granted, Seguin replaces Colborne nicely in the scheme of things, but Bergeron is one bad hit away from being the next Savard. Neither one of those guys has Colborne’s size, either; nor did Hamill.
He’s been concussion free for over 3 years now.
he’s as much of a risk as Colborne is.
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Bergeron was concussed by Claude Giroux last May, in the second round of the playoffs, and missed the start of the third round as a result.
Bergeron probably forgot too.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Suddenly the love for KW makes sense.
/braindamadamadamaged
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s neat that he’s tall. He’s now an AHL prospect sitting around 0.65ppg career. He’s 22 and has been basically invisible except for a one month stretch where he tore the AHL up with Joey Crabb.
If we re-did the rankings right now I’d put Colborne down from 5 to probably 10. His stock was helped by him popping 2ppg in the AHL when we evaluated him: that’s disappeared.
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Not sure why we’d use AHL career, considering the depth (and age) of Boston’s players. Is it so far fetched to believe that, while he couldn’t dead-outplay Hamill, he wasn’t getting Hamill’s ice time? From what I understand, that’s been the general take on his time during the P-Bruins.
He’s .84 ppg on the Marlies, where we know he’s seen top-6 ice time. He shot 5.88% in December (29.63% in October, 15.38% in November, 23.08% in January, season average 18.92%, career average 16.2%). He’s still a solid NHL prospect. A 5 spot drop based on a bad month seems a bit much.
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I’m really not sure what to make of Colborne, but to be perfectly honest I see more potential in Kadri, who has shown good vision on the ice and has gotten better each call-up. I think Colborne is going to have to work hard because if he doesnt make the team next year I don’t know what his fate will be.
Oh my you mean a 22 year old centre in his first real stretch NHL action on a team with ridiculous depth struggled on the 4th line?
I bet the Bruins hope he clears so he gets more AHL time.
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if no one claims him there’s some dumb GMs out there. That’s like finding a lotto ticket. Might as well pick it up.
His numbers don’t look particularly interesting but he’s a reasonably priced ELC that expires this year so its basically no risk, some reward if you’re short forwards like some teams are.
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Hamill was the “expected” return that Boston would offer for Kaberle.
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If Chris Stewart is available, would the Canucks want him / could they get him?
I thought he’d be a real great guy to skate with the Sedins: Big tough guy that can score / they can bank pucks off of him into the net. At the same time he could cave in Brad Marchand’s stupid face serve as a good security guard.
I’d personally love to see Chris Stewart on the Leafs.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yah but Martha Stewart brings nothing in terms of hockey sense… she would put out good pre-game spreads however
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And that’s a good thing.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t Chris Stewart just Kulemin with a bigger contract/
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And to elaborate, Stewart has a .85 ppg season and a .80 ppg season. Kuli at his best was only .70
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The extent of my knowledge of Chris Stewart is him committing manslaughter on my PPPPP team this year.
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He was scoring pretty frequently in Colorado early last year, then broke his hand or something, then came back, wasn’t doing a thing (I think this was last year), got traded to St Louis, started scoring again, and now I guess under Hitchcock he blows.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC his underlying numbers paint him as much worse defensively than Kulie. But don’t quote me on it.
I have heard this too - but much BETTER offensively than Kulemin.
basically Kulemin isn’t the ideal comparable for him.
Either way he’s a Top 6 24 y/o RFA forward and I wants him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
He could be the new Lupul in a couple years.
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The guy had two years playing at 00.36 and 0.45 GPG and 0.83 and 0.85 PPG. They were both injury shortened seasons but the total of the two seasons was 139 GP. He also has 3 goals in 6 playoff GP. He is the power forward we could use.
He is likely available however because he is having a horrid season (0.21 GPG and 0.42 PPG)
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As long as he doesn’t break his hand and spend half the season on the bloody IR.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he’d be a real great guy to skate with the Sedins:
Did Burrows get injured or something?
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Burrows ain’t a good security guard against the Marchands and Bollands of the world.
That said, Burrows is good with them, and If tyou don’t think Stewart could provide that scoring then its a bad idea.
He has done a damn good job the past few years there
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I’d want the Leafs to get in on that……Fuck the Nucks
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Week That Was: http://50missioncap.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/the-week-that-was-7-thoughts-from-jan-30-feb-5/
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Per the Sabres
Lindy ruff fractured 3 ribs after getting taken out by Jordan Leopold at practice today.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he probably complained there was no penalty on the play as well
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody is going to fire this guy, so we had to take matters into our own hands.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"If Leopold isn’t suspended, it just means that other players will be able to do exactly what Leopold did. You can concuss the team’s coach. You can run him whatever speed he was going, he made no attempt to get out of the way.
"It means it’s fair game on coaches again."
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 6, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The only lament I have on this is the fear that if we don’t have guys looking after each other, that the rats will take this game over.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In the tradition of the Oilers trying to jack headlines, Tom Renney took a puck to the face and had to be stitched up.
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by Ubiquitous on Feb 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So ‘young people getting themselves in trouble using credit to buy things they can’t afford’ is a narrative I’ve made up then??
You’re obfuscating things on purpose daoust. Some people have made poor credit decisions and I’m guessing they also made those poor choices in the 80s.
I’m sorry that from your house you think people have too many nice things, but the widening gap between income and home prices is a real issue that’s a lot more than “kids have smartphones”.
In terms of income houses are twice as expensive for us as they were for you. I don’t care that your condo doesn’t fit that exact price increase, it’s an anecdote and irrelevant.
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The fact remains if you’re paying a reasonable rent, the only thing preventing you from putting money aside every month for an eventual down payment on a house is the fact that you’re spending it on something else. The ‘something else’ portion of expenses has largely gotten cheaper, not more expensive, over the last 30 years, so it’s a real mystery where that money is going.
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THAT’S WHERE THE MONEY’S GOING.
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good thing I invested all my money in the dot com boom
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
shipping 20lb bags of dog food for free? how can we not make money on that???
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been debating on getting the bowflex adjustable dumbells, and with having a prime membership on amazon, that would be like 100lbs of weights shipped free.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Do that and see what the non-prime shipping would be. Then take that money saved and put it towards a down payment on a house which you can also have shipped Amazon Prime.
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already own a place /insert smug smiley.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
A Nigerian prince wants to give me millions! How could this not work?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
You’d be stupid not to accept that offer!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
You really think the overuse of personal credit, and the subsequent financial hardship it causes people in their 20s especially, is the same now as it was 30 years ago? Are you kidding?
And you’re missing my point above – I’m talking about people’s ability to save money for a down payment. They’re not paying for a house yet because they haven’t bought one, so it isn’t the housing expense that’s stopping them from saving.
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You really think the overuse of personal credit, and the subsequent financial hardship it causes people in their 20s especially, is the same now as it was 30 years ago? Are you kidding?
No, as I’ve said from the start though:
House cost relative to money earned has doubled in twenty years daoust.
How is that not an issue for you? Why won’t you acknowledge that’s bigger than “kids spend too much”?
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Why are you making it an either/or? Of course the economics of the housing market have changed over the last 30 years, but there’s also an element of personal spending gone haywire as well.
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In terms of dollars it’s a drop in the bucket compared to housing price increases.
You don’t believe everyone in their 20s spends thousands a month on bullshit, right?
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I think the definition of ‘bullshit’ is the real question.
But either way, no one’s saying thousands a month. Save $250 a month from the time you’re 20 to 30. Even at 0% interest, that’s $30,000. That would allow you to buy a $300,000 starter home or townhouse with a $270,000 mortgage. You could shop around and probably find a mortgage at 4% now. That would be a $1400 monthly payment at a 25 year amortization.
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250 × 12 × 10 = 30,000.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank God you’re not doing my taxes
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Uh, his math is right. 250*12*10 is 30,000.
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Its a fuckin joke
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At current appreciation rates you will need almost $60,000 to put 10% down on that house in 10 years.
Good luck finding a good rate of mortgage with anything more than an 80% LTV
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I put just over 5% and got a good rate
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sorry 10%
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Small difference there, huh?
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And I’m not trying to be an asshole but you lived at home and saved like a maniac. Don’t you think a lot of people would do that if they could?
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Right, like I could have taken a job in Ohio and lived with my dad except that
a) he told me once I got a degree I was on my own
b) jobs there in my field suck and likely going extinct
c) jobs there pay considerably less than other areas, like the one I’m in not.
d) I’d be 27 living at home and that’s just not cool man.
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Actually, to get to 10% i got help from my parents.
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I also am engaged so she had money out away too
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This is my whole point – I’m putting myself in this same category of ‘over-spenders’. I had to borrow my downpayment because I had virtually no savings, because I spent like an idiot. I had no business going out for dinner to nice restaurants 4 times a month, ordering out once a week, going to all-inclusive vacations, buying 1000 CDs, etc. I was lucky I could borrow my down payment, and that I was living with someone to share the expense with, otherwise it woudln’t have happened.
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I had to borrow my downpayment because I had virtually no savings, because I spent like an idiot
So how is that only a problem with “kids these days”?
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Or put another way imagine your parents lived far away and you had to rent. You saved and saved and put up 10%.
Were you wasting your money all this time? I doubt it. You probably lived reasonably and now you’re ready to move out.
Renting a place would have put a big hurt on your savings plan.
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My sister and her boyfriend (soon to be fiancee they’ve been together for 9 years now). Spent 4 years working and saving money while living at home, before renting a place this year to see if they can handle living together before buying a place. Even then they realized they might as well keep saving and find their keeper house now before the prices get even more ridiculous. And even now I doubt they will have more than 10% of whatever house they find.
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the two are kind of related. housing prices increased in part because people were willing to borrow more
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
and could borrow more because rates are 4% and not 15% like they were in 1982.
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this is basically how the Greek crisis started.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
they were borrowing money on Euro (German) rates instead of their previous Greek rates, which essentially no one used to do because it was too expensive and too risky.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I blame the Germas for letting these countries into the Eurozone in the first place. The idiocy of it was pretty clear. Linked monetary policy, but no enforced fiscal policy restraints? Woooooooo Some are going to spend like drunken fuckin sailors.
The French are equally to blame, if not more so.
This American Life/Planet Money has a great podcast about it everyone should download and listen to.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yes, but it’s not like they’re escaping this without blame. France and Germany are the two biggest economies and their populations are in line to basically foot the bill for the Greeces, Spains, Portugals and Irelands of the eurozone.
So it’s not like those guys are going to make out like bandits either.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Basically the people who constructed the eurozone were so spent by the time they actually got the framework put in place that they were too tired to bother talking about actual concerted fiscal policy. In fine tradition, the politicians of the 90s decided they would “figure it out later”
Well, 2012 is later, and it looks like they’re trying to put it off. Again.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
yep. plus, no one wanted to hand real power off to a central agency. although that was what the Germans wanted. but no one wanted the Germans to have that power.
not sure why really.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Basically they wanted the United States of Europe but every country wanted to maintain their own sovereignty as well.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
no no i get that. i was just making a joke that the Ger—-
oh nevermind.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I caught that. Heh.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
even if kids spent too much….who is teaching them personal finance? School? No. Parents? Not really, they’re often in debt and often can hardly explain financial matters. I’ve said for a long time basic economics, micro and macro, as well as personal finance should be MANDATORY for high school students. It’s incredibly important.
Personal finance is offered, but it’s a college level course, so no one planning on going to university actually takes it. Too busy learning about linear algebra and fucking slope, than how to manage your finances.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It should be mandatory, not an option, and not a college level class. Everyone should understand the basics of mortgages, credit cards, etc.
The education system doesn’t give a fuck.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
what? you mean more money towards educating kids?……..we can’t have that.
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Personal finance should be a mandatory course in highschool
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What’s a college kid’s credit line, $5,000?
What’s his student loans, $150,000?
What’s the down payment he needs for a fixer upper, $75,000?
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Fortunately
Most Canadian student loans are not that high. Can’t speak for American.
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They’re not paying for a house yet because they haven’t bought one
This would only be true if the options are “live at home” or “buy a house.” Is there any reason to assume that rent prices haven’t gone up alongside housing costs (even if not a 1:1 ratio)?
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Leading up to the housing crash in the U.S., rents were drastically lower than the cost of buying a home. An out of whack ratio of rents to housing prices is a leading indicator that there’s a housing bubble.
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Interesting (on re-reading, I should’ve made it clear that my above post was a genuine question).
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“If you don’t pay much in rent, you’ll have more money!”
$800/mo for the privilege of living in the shithole that is lower allston? Mmmm, sign me up!
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Go here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/07/20/business/20debt-trap.html
Click the interactive link to see the big chart.
Notice: mortgage debt is rising exponentially, compounded by student loans now. Credit card debt is 10% or less of that, and there’s probably a decent argument that credit card debt is on the rise as people struggle to afford their mortgage.
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Note the huge increase in home equity loans. Are those somehow the fault of non-homeowners too?
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that played a big part of the housing crash as well. People kept refinancing and taking these HE loans, convinced the price of they’re homes would keep going up and up.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 6, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
And now people who haven’t bought a house need to bear those costs: namely that a 5% down payment isn’t happening anymore.
Are young people saving as much as they could? Who gives a fuck.
People with no effect on the housing market are being punished with higher barriers to entry and people already in the market are content to say “no big deal, I’ve got a house”.
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Thanks boomers!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I already saved up. Fuck you, got mine.
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the real fun begins once these guys start retiring, which should be within the next decade. Social security funds are almost tapped thanks to wall street. It’s likely gonna get worse
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yea, I meant to say they’ll all be retired within the next decade
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also how do you downhill from Rock Bottom
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To be honest i blame that generation for al ot. But you just wait. Seniors vote so much more than young people, and one in 4 canadians will be a senior by the 2030s. Guess who will control government policy and ensure spending on health care (unsustainable growth) continues to rise at the expense of other programs?
Guess whose gonna fuck with their pensions?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 6, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
anyone who tries can kiss their political career goodbye
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theirs? hahaha. Look at all the deals being proposed. Current and soon-to-be seniors get their share. We pay for it, and we get jack shit at the end. Wait for it, it’s a safe bet. Young people don’t vote, seniors vote in droves. Easy to know what a politician will do and who they will cater to.
It’s our fault we didn’t save enough to also pay for seniors who don’t want to work anymore who didn’t save enough.
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did you see the hrumph created when the Government floated the idea of pushing benefits to 67 years old,
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I’d pay money to see a convocation speech consist of these five words.
Congratluations, graduates. You’re all fucked.
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This is basically why I went to Law School.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, same here. A political science undergrad was only gonna get me a government job, or a Starbucks job.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I took the former. although I wasnt quite in poly sci. My masters is in international affairs though. I have been considering law school later on, perhaps copyright or international law.
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actually I’d like to study copyright law because i think its in need of fundamental reform, but a realistic model needs to be created, one that isnt controlled by moneyed interests.
I don’t have an issue with current copyright laws………….but I do have a problem with corporations trying to introduce laws that make you a criminal for altering material (for personal use) that you legally bought. All this digital lock crap is the bother.
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Why isn’t a 5% down payment not happening? It’s still ok in Canada.
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That is the bare minimum. As my year working was spend at a mortgage lender, I know most investors won’t touch anything anything higher than a %90 LTV with a 10 foot pole.
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dammit
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh I lied, I asked my mom (she was the one who got me the job woo having connections to office jobs) and she said they still take up to 95% but the credit and details have to be airtight. Meaning go to a top notch broker who will do it right.
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ok good. i want to get a mortgage soon on something like 5-7% down. But both my wife and I make good money. we’re incredibly safe bets. i just don’t want to get a shit rate.
i guess I could wait and save up more…but i don’t really want to.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
My dad made this point to me over Christmas.
If you have good credit, steady employment and a good downpayment, banks should be lining up to lend you money.
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yeah, that’s what i’m assuming. but i haven’t talked to a lender yet. presumably i can get a mortgage broker to get me a good rate.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think that a broker can get you a rate that’s so much better than what you could negotiate for yourself, that after taking into account their fee you come out ahead?
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i think banks pay the fees.
in any case, i think i might get some kind of a break from a Credit Union through my work, so it may be moot. plus, they’re probably going to be happy to lend to me…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
My Entire Point:
There’s an awful lot more to the looming housing crisis than “kids these days make poor choices”.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I like hockey
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Leafs are playing Edmonton tonite apparently
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by leafer1984 on Feb 6, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t play hockey. Equipment and icetime is expensive; not to mention the TV used to watch it and packages like Centre Ice. You should instead forget all that shit and save up to buy a shitty condo in Mississauga.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The above discussion made me feel really guilty for buying a full new set of beautiful gear. I want to leave home early to go home and hug it, so that I feel better.
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by Bower Power on Feb 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yah but you’re old(er) so you don’t count… if you’re not in your 20’s feel free to spend
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you’re not in your 20’s feel free to spend
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by Bower Power on Feb 6, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Should’ve been a “=(” added on to that.
(I’m 23)
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by Bower Power on Feb 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woaah nvm I thought you were like 40… whooopsssy
Also woo 23 yr olds…
wait where did you play hockey then we might’ve been goalies against each other
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 6, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did house league at The Gardens Ice House in Laurel, and the MD private high school circuit.
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Yep nvm the only teams I played in the states were from Michigan and Vermont.
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Yeah, I / my teams weren’t very good. I think I put more effort into hockey now than I did as a kid.
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it made me feel shame for my satisfying job yet low entry-level salary
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by thenumber14 on Feb 6, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but I play hockey already, are you saying I wont be able to buy a house because I spent money on ice time and gear?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh no Jared. I’m sorry to break the news to you.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn, and I thought it was because I was stuck in a shitty minimum wage job because all the work in my field has dried up and the job market is total ass
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair, speaking of unsustainable spending by young people, I just spent 450$ on 2 tickets to the Sens-Leafs game in March. But to be fair, I won’t be able to go to any hockey games for the next 2+ years as I will be broke and living in DC, doubling my brokeness.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bower lives in DC. Make buds.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Games in DC cheaper than in Toronto.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cheaper, but I’ll go from a good job to ~50,000 in debt in the first year. 25 if I use all my savings right away on housing, etc. As a child of a baby boomer, at least I can received a small parental subsidy to live in a safer area. But my ability to afford beer, let alone live hockey games is pretty much nil. I have budgeted for gamecentre, though. Worth every dollar.
But my ability to afford beer, let alone live hockey games is pretty much nil.
For the cost of the $225 ticket in TOR, you could go watch two of TOR/WSH, TOR/PIT, and/or TOR/PHI. Actually, Ovechwin’s done the trip down to Nashville for a game before. I kinda wanna do that next time the Leafs play down there.
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$200 for a pair of 100-level Leafs@Caps tickets. It was at auction, but face value is only $125 per. Guilty confession: I’ve never been to a Leafs game at the ACC. I could swing the costs, but ticket and travel wouldn’t be cheap, even if I wanted to stay at my grandmother’s place (I’d probably do it if we ever pull another PPP game). I’ve seen them in 3 different barns, probably 10 live games or so total, and never paid more than $100 for a ticket.
I have a small nest egg in the event the Leafs make the playoffs. If we take the sixth seed and Washington the third, I’m going to be a very, very poor man.
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Come for the hockey, stay for the depressing argument about how everyone who doesn’t already own a house is fucked.
Fuck it, I’m going straight to the liquor store to unnecessarily drown my sorrows.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come for the hockey, stay for the depressing argument abouthow everyone who doesn’t already own a house is fucked.sexismmonetary and fiscal policybeer/
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way to close the bracket man
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by Frattinator on Feb 6, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
what the fuck did you do?
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 6, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fix?
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yay I contained it I think.
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WOOOOOOO LET'S PARTY
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Lu Kang is killing it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this makes me laugh
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize for de-railing the thread today.
I also apologize to my employer because I have a shitload of work to do that i didn’t do today. Damn this place.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
by daoust on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I blame society
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Society? It’s all the young people de-railing threads because their attention span has been reduced by smartphones and all that other new fangled technology.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what’s that? sorry hard to pay attention on my smartphone
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 5:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
haha. i was laughing to myself about all the work that didn’t get done today. how are any of us employed?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m good at switching between tasks.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not true. attention is a zero-sum game. there are also switch costs. no way does it not affect you.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well, now that I’m home from work, attention is zero sum but in government you’re not always given enough tasks to keep you busy. So you have a note due for several days from now, you get it done way in advance, and you can ask for more to do (I do) but it ebbs and flows. Sometimes you won’t see me on at all because we get given a shitload of things to do on tight deadlines at once. Happens all the time.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh i have no doubt that it does. i’m just saying the research shows that there are costs associated with these kinds of switches. we’re not as good at doing multiple things at once, no matter how good we think we are (i’m guilty of this as well — hence why i’m here all the time)
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also I would say posting here keeps me sane. But luckily im back in school in september.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh for sure. keeps me sane too.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m pretty good at not getting caught up in here, as my modest 3-year comment tally attests to. Sometimes i can’t let things go though. You wouldn’t know what it’s like.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
by daoust on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i have no idea what you’re talking about.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pros.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont have a computer at work
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Flexible hours and I’ll be working at home through the game anyway
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
by clrkaitken on Feb 6, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I work on the internet for a living.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Feb 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m the boss. spread the work out so i have more PPP time
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 5:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
you should give me a job
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could, but then you wouldn’t be earning it and won’t have the same satisfaction.
also there’s no openings.
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
but i’ll let you know next time there is one.
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by me: 1
by elseldo on Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
wooo!
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but you already know he’s going to be on PPP all the time instead of working.
by ShahofToronto on Feb 6, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fix take 2
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by Chemmy on Feb 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Less depressing!
Just bought a third jersey for my soon to be born son! Leafs fan from day #1 :D
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
Lest we forget: Brett Lebda
by kudzupo on Feb 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Buy him a Brett Lebda jersey and use it as a diaper.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When he’s done flailing around in Columbus, Brett Lebda may take the jersey’s place.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking Toskala so I can throw it in the trash…
but seriously, I left it blank so that when hes a older he can put his favourite player on it
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
Lest we forget: Brett Lebda
by kudzupo on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CnB took a look at Ron Wilson’s deployments. Interesting graphs are provided.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Feb 6, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ron Wilson doesn't match lines.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Z button got a work out today
sick thread so far
by l3ojangles on Feb 6, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
sick
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ok
so today in a meeting I witnessed a guy use the Google search box in Firefox to search for ‘Google’. Then I watched him click on a link to Google.com
This is a guy with probably at least a PhD or MD, possibly both.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 6, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I dunno what to say about that. Surely we can blame part of the world’s financial troubles on this guy, right?
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he could be an investment banker.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably owns a big house.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I see people do that all the fucking time. Me and Skinny’s buddy Mike refuses to type anything into the address bar.
“Go to eBay.”
He types “ebay” into the search box.
“You could just type it in the address box and hit Ctrl+Enter and you’d be there.”
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Fels from Second City Hockey just tweeted that he’d kill to have Schenn on the Blackhawks.
I wonder if most Hawks fans/the team feels that way about him; be interesting to see what would be offered in that deal…
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
(somewhat attainable) things I want from the hawks, 1st rounders, Brandon Saad, Jeremy Morin, Mark McNeill……thats it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 6, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
@Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Can you tell the trade deadline is approaching? Try 28 scouts/executives from 22 NHL teams here for Oilers-Leafs game tonight at ACC
by ChrisFromParadise on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Feasting on the Oilers’ corpse.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Feb 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d guess at least half of them are honed in on Hemsky.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he’s got boneitis, glad we dont want him.
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They’re seeing if Hemsky can survive a whole hockey game
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 6, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder who’s going to overpay for Gagner.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SCOUTS ATTENDING A HOCKEY GAME
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get these politics outta my hockey
www.twitter.com/CameronSorley
by CameronSorley on Feb 6, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Get this man out of my politics, hockey.
by LeafInVancouver on Feb 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
get this hockey out of my man, politics!
by Goosemonster on Feb 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Get this politics out of my man, hockey!
by BubbaLou on Feb 6, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Get this molitics out of my han, pockey!
TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 6, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My man out of politics gets this hockey.
by LeafInVancouver on Feb 6, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
by Learn2Leaf on Feb 6, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/2/6/2776264/sam-gagner-still-sucks
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/2/6/2776264/sam-gagner-still-sucks
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/2/6/2776264/sam-gagner-still-sucks
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Feb 6, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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